The possible non-greatness of Cooper Cronk

[The_Patriot]

I wanted to pose a question - is Cooper Cronk a great footballer, or has he been blessed with stacked rosters his entire career?

The thought occurred to me in another thread about Luke Brooks, who I felt was busy without being decisive against the Bulldogs. Personally I thought if he was given more support, more would have come of his efforts, and later in the game he seemed to be running an awful lot, to good effect, simply because either the DH service was poor or because his backline was not running onto the ball.

And I wonderd what kind of career Luke Brooks might have if he was playing for the Storm and Roosters, not Tigers. If he was receiving passes from Cam Smith, throwing balls to Munster or Slater or Inglis or Folau or Keary or Latrell or Tedesco (well we had a reasonable look at the latter).

Cooper Cronk has never played in a bad side. He's never had less than 3-4 future Hall Of Fame players in any team. He's a very capable organiser, tough, good defender, good support, good in clutch players, but also - he can afford to focus on these because he doesn't have to do everything himself. Because when he passes, his team-mates make things happen, run good lines, bust tackles, set up line breaks themselves.

So how good really is Cooper Cronk and what do you guess his career might have been like if he played for Titans or Tigers?


What a question. Brooks would have lasted 2 games under those great coaches before they instantly saw he was useless and Brooks would have finished his career playing 13 years for the Camden Rams in Group 6.

Haha love it.

 

[The_Patriot]

Really is quite pathetic that after the game in which we needed him the most. The game where the guy went to water all his supporters are now sticking up for him.

Enough is enough with Luke Brooks, he will never ever be our number 1 play maker.

He is considered our number 1 play maker and we will never do anything in this comp while this is the case.

We need to pair him up with someone who has some get up and go.

 

[fair dinkum]

Really is quite pathetic that after the game in which we needed him the most. The game where the guy went to water all his supporters sticking up for him.

Enough is enough with Luke Brooks, he will never ever be our number 1 play maker.

Its the way its been for years, fans accepting mediocrity. Its like a religion to them. Theyve been brainwashed into thinking something exists when there is zero evidence for it. Brooks has never produced a season to ever be called a decent, let alone a first grade half, yet here we are with the mediocrity zealots preaching he is the messiah.

 

[Dyloh]

@fair-dinkum didn't Brooks just finish last season as Dally M Half and 3rd overall?

 

[The_Patriot]

Really is quite pathetic that after the game in which we needed him the most. The game where the guy went to water all his supporters sticking up for him.

Enough is enough with Luke Brooks, he will never ever be our number 1 play maker.

Its the way its been for years, fans accepting mediocrity. Its like a religion to them. Theyve been brainwashed into thinking something exists when there is zero evidence for it. Brooks has never produced a season to ever be called a decent, let alone a first grade half, yet here we are with the mediocrity zealots preaching he is the messiah.

Does my head in but this is our fan base. Ive come to accept it.

Particularly like the bit about it being a religion. Its so true!

 

[Russell]

@fair-dinkum didn't Brooks just finish last season as Dally M Half and 3rd overall?

Oh! you can't take that into account when you have an agenda push about mediocrity.

 

[Dyloh]

@Russell sorry I just don't understand what a decent season looks like if getting the vote as best half of the year isn't good enough? Must be tough to be a footy player.

 

[fair dinkum]

@Russell sorry I just don't understand what a decent season looks like if getting the vote as best half of the year isn't good enough? Must be tough to be a footy player.

Try this on as a decent season - finishing inside the top 8!

The mediocrity fan group shows up on cue.

 

[Dyloh]

@fair-dinkum how does he try it in a season finishing in the 8 when his team can't make the 8? Warriors finished 8th and Knights 11th, are RTS and Ponga mediocre?

 

[fair dinkum]

@fair-dinkum didn't Brooks just finish last season as Dally M Half and 3rd overall?

Oh! you can't take that into account when you have an agenda push about mediocrity.

Spruiks Brooks as the Messiah every week


2014 - 13th
2015 - 15th
2016 - 9th
2017 - 14th
2018 - 9th
2019 - 10th

Can i take these results as you pushing your agenda that Brooks is good at his job?

 

[Dyloh]

@fair-dinkum wait NRL isn't a team game? There's only 1 player out there?

 

[fair dinkum]

@fair-dinkum how does he try it in a season finishing in the 8 when his team can't make the 8? Warriors finished 8th and Knights 11th, are RTS and Ponga mediocre?

Sorry bro, do you Engrish?

"how does he try it in a season finishing in the 8 when his team can't make the 8?"

 

[fair dinkum]

@fair-dinkum wait NRL isn't a team game? There's only 1 player out there?

Thought you were new to the game.

 

[Dyloh]

I'm seriously not taking the piss? I don't get what you want from the guy? Read your previous comment, you said "Try that in a season where we make the 8" now your just grasping at straws because your argument makes zero sense.

 

[jirskyr]

What is patronising is people trying to throw guys like Cronk, a born winners under a bus to defend a guy who has not and never will be in that class.

That isn't what "patronising" means. Patronising is to suggest that other people go to "actual games".

 

[fair dinkum]

What is patronising is people trying to throw guys like Cronk, a born winners under a bus to defend a guy who has not and never will be in that class.

That isn't what "patronising" means. Patronising is to suggest that other people go to "actual games".

Hard to tell with your posts if theyre serious or a joke, but it means both.


verb
verb: patronise
1.
treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful but that betrays a feeling of superiority.
"she was determined not to be put down or patronized"
synonyms: treat condescendingly, treat with condescension, condescend to, look down on, talk down to, put down, humiliate, treat like a child, treat as inferior, treat with disdain, treat scornfully/contemptuously, be snobbish to, look down one's nose at
"don't patronize me!"
condescending, supercilious, superior, imperious, haughty, lofty, lordly, magisterial, disdainful, scornful, contemptuous, cavalier, snobbish, pompous;
informaluppity, high and mighty, snooty, stuck-up, fancy-pants;
informaltoffee-nosed

2.
frequent (a shop, restaurant, or other establishment) as a customer.
"restaurants and bars regularly patronized by the stars were often crowded with paparazzi"
synonyms: do business with, buy from, shop at, be a customer of, be a client of, bring trade/custom to, deal with, trade with; frequent, haunt, attend, visit; subscribe to, join, become a member of, support; informal hang out at
"they patronized the local tradesmen"

 

[Jock Koss]

@fair-dinkum P. I. Staker

 

[fair dinkum]

P. I. Staker

Peter Ian Staker?

 

[jirskyr]

What is patronising is people trying to throw guys like Cronk, a born winners under a bus to defend a guy who has not and never will be in that class.

That isn't what "patronising" means. Patronising is to suggest that other people go to "actual games".

Hard to tell with your posts if theyre serious or a joke, but it means both.


verb
verb: patronise
1.
treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful but that betrays a feeling of superiority.
"she was determined not to be put down or patronized"
synonyms: treat condescendingly, treat with condescension, condescend to, look down on, talk down to, put down, humiliate, treat like a child, treat as inferior, treat with disdain, treat scornfully/contemptuously, be snobbish to, look down one's nose at
"don't patronize me!"
condescending, supercilious, superior, imperious, haughty, lofty, lordly, magisterial, disdainful, scornful, contemptuous, cavalier, snobbish, pompous;
informaluppity, high and mighty, snooty, stuck-up, fancy-pants;
informaltoffee-nosed

2.
frequent (a shop, restaurant, or other establishment) as a customer.
"restaurants and bars regularly patronized by the stars were often crowded with paparazzi"
synonyms: do business with, buy from, shop at, be a customer of, be a client of, bring trade/custom to, deal with, trade with; frequent, haunt, attend, visit; subscribe to, join, become a member of, support; informal hang out at
"they patronized the local tradesmen"

No, if you are criticising Cronk and defending Brooks, you aren't patronising anyone.

Suggesting "people should try going to an actual game" is the patronising part. A forum of rugby league enthusiasts being told they should try to go to an actual game, as if a significant majority of people in here don't attend matches. Or as if only by attending matches can you have a valid opinion or understand "the truth" of a subject.

 

[Jock Koss]

@fair-dinkum love that movie😂😂😂