The ''re-buiding phase''

[GNR4LIFE]

People are using this term a lot this yr, and seem to be using it as an excuse as to why it looks like this yr will probably be another yr we miss out on the finals. My question is what are we re-building? Because re-building implies you've had some kind of success that you now need to try and aspire to again. 05 was a long time ago, so it can't be that.

Are we re-building from the Potter era? If so, in the Potter era we were re-building from the Sheens era. This is why some have no patience, cos this club has been re-building for 5 yrs. It isn't just a new term that is fresh with this club and its supporters. How long does it take?

 

[tsjonathan]

People are using this term a lot this yr, and seem to be using it as an excuse as to why it looks like this yr will probably be another yr we miss out on the finals. My question is what are we re-building? Because re-building implies you've had some kind of success that you now need to try and aspire to again. 05 was a long time ago, so it can't be that.

Are we re-building from the Potter era? If so, in the Potter era we were re-building from the Sheens era. This is why some have no patience, cos this club has been re-building for 5 yrs. It isn't just a new term that is fresh with this club and its supporters. How long does it take?

It's definately frustrating GNR when it's been 10 years since a premhiership and sporadic finals appearances. But the difference this year and previosu years is the team is very very young and has a lot of potential. Hence why the team is built to win in the future.

In the past the team was built to win now. Buying established first graders like Lote, Blair, Gareth, Utai, etc This year is essentially different as the team is built on local juniors. We are putting all our hopes on the juniors something we have not really done since 04/05\. I guess that's the difference. You could draw comparisons to the NBA with teams like the 76ers, bucks and Celtics who have essentially torn down their respective teams and started from scratch.

 

[hobbo]

The term 'rebuilding' is just a loose term …..
'Recovery' is a better word , we are trying to recover after years of poor planning and f/ups ..

Hence we have have to rely on the kids coming through because we're still a basket case IMO !

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[tsjonathan]

The term 'rebuilding' is just a loose term …..
'Recovery' is a better word , we are trying to recover after years of poor planning and f/ups ..

Hence we have have to rely on the kids coming through because we're still a basket case IMO !

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I think thats correct. People often forget how bad Blair, Benji Morris et al were. All the wasted money.

People also need to remember these two kids were in high school 18 months ago.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Its simply a feel-good phrase people like to use… I think its a crock of crap and is purely a reflection of years of poor structures at a club.

 

[TrueTiger]

GNR,I think many are of the same opinion as you,I will say on the Potter issue,if all being fair and right and he was afforded the luxuries as JT has been given,we would be in a good position now…how so do you ask..well Potter had to blood the young guys sooner because of a horrendous injury toll,he had the team playing to his "structure" as was proven when we beat,Souths,Dogs and Manly the big guns of the comp at the time..Because certain players had their noses out of joint because they couldn't dominate what goes on in the team,then everything fell apart,surely you know who I'm talking about GNR...Potter was starting to lay the platform for a very competitive team after his injured FG players returned he would of had something to work with...Now is the time for JT to show all of us how good this team will be and let them play what they are so highly paid to do"play football"..if the structure isn't working,re shape it,I myself do allow for things to take time,however not forever,I don't want instant success,but I would like consistency..win,lose or draw eg,some of the players one week play very well,the next couple of games you wonder where they are,if they turned up every week and had a good crack,so be it I'm happy,lacklustre performances at this level don't go unpunished as has been proven many times at this club......

Do they need a great coach or do they need a good psychologist...I don't know,whatever eventuates I certainly hope that when we complete this "rebuilding" I certainly hope they have a very solid foundation..if we are depending on our junior base which is pretty good,then hopefully we can keep them and not hone their skills for others to poach them after we have developed them......just my opinion GNR,Iam very passionate about the WTs and more than anything I hate others taking my team for easybeats or for granted,not only does it hurt,it also angers me..sorry it's just me ..... :neutral_face:

 

[happy_tiger]

Blair was only a bad buy because we lost Ellis and Dwyer

Blair could of been able to focus on his strengths , he wasn't as Ellis or Dwyer

Yes we paid overs for him , when the best player of his type comes on the market , you end up paying overs

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Obviously Brooks and Moses aren't there atm, and due to incompetence we let go of a player at the end of last yr that is on the verge of Origin selection for a kid that is unproven and still may amount to very little. The jury is still out on the halves and i don't subscribe to the notion that just because they are young, they'll be good. I haven't forgotten that once upon a time people said that given time, Matt Groat will be at Aaron Woods level.

 

[krayola]

Call it what you want. If things continue the way they are, in two years no one will be writing this thread. We'll be talking about finals footy and how to retain as many of our emerging stars as possible.

And if we put points on against the Knights, people on here will once again be talking about us being in the 8\. A week is a very, very long time for the passionate fan!

 

[tsjonathan]

Blair was only a bad buy because we lost Ellis and Dwyer

Blair could of been able to focus on his strengths , he wasn't as Ellis or Dwyer

Yes we paid overs for him , when the best player of his type comes on the market , you end up paying overs

The counter argument to that would be how would the tigers have performed if they had perservered with the local juniors in the Fiffitas and Gibbs?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Call it what you want. If things continue the way they are, in two years no one will be writing this thread. We'll be talking about finals footy and how to retain as many of our emerging stars as possible.

How are things exactly? They still might turn out great, but at the present, all i'm seeing from a vast majority of these kids is hype. So i hope you are wrong saying that in 2 yrs they'll still be all hype.
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And if we put points on against the Knights, people on here will once again be talking about us being in the 8\. A week is a very, very long time for the passionate fan!

Probably, but the reality will be it will just be another average we've beaten. Every team so far we've beaten have been average.

 

[tsjonathan]

Obviously Brooks and Moses aren't there atm, and due to incompetence we let go of a player at the end of last yr that is on the verge of Origin selection for a kid that is unproven and still may amount to very little. The jury is still out on the halves and i don't subscribe to the notion that just because they are young, they'll be good. I haven't forgotten that once upon a time people said that given time, Matt Groat will be at Aaron Woods level.

That's absoloutely true. They are unproven in first grade however they are proven in all other grades. Just because they are young doesn't mean they will be good but it doesn't mean they will be bad either.

Time will tell. We are only judging them on what they have done in the lower grades as 20 first grade games to me is not enough.

 

[Telltails]

We can speculate all day long, and use examples of the failures, but for every failure there is a kid that has succeeded. There is risk with every junior you invest in we all know that. Austin was identified at Penrith years ago as a potential superstar and it didn't come to fruition there and they let him go for next to nothing - pretty sure there are plenty of Penrith supporters now saying they knew that kid was going to make it. Brooks was being chased hard by more than one club for a reason ( not so sure about Moses but based on his achievements he would have been on the radar for many clubs). The club made the decision with good reason, yeh there are no guarantees - but we dont operate with a crystal ball.

 

[Geo]

I'm going with 'Watershed' Year…

 

[batboy]

Call it what you want. If things continue the way they are, in two years no one will be writing this thread. We'll be talking about finals footy and how to retain as many of our emerging stars as possible.

How are things exactly? They still might turn out great, but at the present, all i'm seeing from a vast majority of these kids is hype. So i hope you are wrong saying that in 2 yrs they'll still be all hype.

In our case it is simply a line to hide behind…
What they mean is don't expect too much, As we don't have a very good team!!

The only real problem with our halves, Is they have no one within cooey to look out for them...
We need 2 good running Defensive specialist backrowers, Someone who puts a 2nd thought in the attackers mind about running that way - Fear they "may" get cut in half...
Whilst our STARTING 2nd Rowers are Lovett and Sironen... Our halves will suffer.
All our go forward is in the middle... Centres/Second row aren't making bugger all meters...
HALVES NEED SPACE!!
We need Centres who can put a dint in the Line, And Backrowers who can power through it.
At the moment, We have 1 player other teams are scared of... Marty.
Outside him, We are kittens - And until we fix it, Will be ragdolled as such!!.
- Doesn't anyone else see and find it strange that No one is scared of the best prop in the game?
(In Woodsy)

Aggression and want can't be taught... You have it or you don't!! - We don't, And we're not breeding much of it. Sue has glimpses, as does Lodge...

 

[cunno]

Re-building in terms of a new coach, new support staff, building up young players to first grade standard, a new Board. It is just as important to keep building a good start would be to purchase a couple of experienced, quality first graders otherwise the rebuilding will be a slow process and could stall.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

We can speculate all day long, and use examples of the failures, but for every failure there is a kid that has succeeded.

Can't agree with that. I think there are many, many more kids that fail than succeed. I think the Austin case is one whereby it was very obvious that he was a beauty in the here and now, but the club forsake that for what might be in the future so long as the stars align the way they hope they do. I don't think it was the right decision, but plenty do. I wish we still had Austin, and I wish he was our 6.
I don't really have a problem with the term re-building either, but given it's been 10 years since we won a premiership, maybe it should be just called a building phase. The rubble has piled too far and wide since 05.

 

[TrueTiger]

We can speculate all day long, and use examples of the failures, but for every failure there is a kid that has succeeded.

Can't agree with that. I think there are many, many more kids that fail than succeed. I think the Austin case is one whereby it was very obvious that he was a beauty in the here and now, but the club forsake that for what might be in the future so long as the stars align the way they hope they do. I don't think it was the right decision, but plenty do. I wish we still had Austin, and I wish he was our 6.
I don't really have a problem with the term re-building either, but given it's been 10 years since we won a premiership, maybe it should be just called a building phase. The rubble has piled too far and wide since 05.

Couldn't agree more WD,our young halves may be brilliant,however they are apprentices learning the trade…every apprentice has a master to learn off,Builders,mechanics,plumbers etc etc,we have NOTHING,Austin was the answer,but egotistical admin wanted to get rid of him for the young ones...it's well and good to say we have to have them together in FG,but what happens when one or both fail at this level,after all no one can see the future,even severe injury to one of them,what then,more chopping and changing kids around...Austin wanted to leave because he didn't want to play second fiddle to a rookie who was great in NYC,big deal,it's a different ball game in NRL...I just hope the PUNT the club took works out...there's not a great deal to reach for in the depth department....

Ps...when I say "Austin was the answer"we had nothing else with experience,he was economical and a game changer,gave 100 per cent when he played for us and in different positions...

 

[pHyR3]

nah bullcrap, we're not rebuilding we're just building.

every game theyre trying to get better and hopefully that puts us around about 8th at the end of the season. if we keen building in the next 2 years we should be aiming for a top 4 finish/premiership in that timeframe too.

 

[bp_tiger]

i for one am sick of the re building crap and how JT keeps telling every one we our working on the defence stage. JT the defence stage aint working, go see MARY FROM THE DRAG QUEENS he has a worst squad than us and he has them firing in defence. get really sick of coaches telling b.s. let the young 1/2s have there head in attack now and still work on ur defence that aint working. as time passes on this season it appears that nothing will change same weak pack of forwards and light weight backs with NO HOPE of picking up and new players, hope it changes or will we have to wait for the next re building stage.