The Salary Cap

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

I think a simple change is once you sign a contract you shouldn't be allowed to negotiate a higher contract with another club during the same period, so even if you go to another club you can not be paid more.

I can see the richer clubs getting around that by throwing in a free block of flats, on top of the lesser contract.

 

[tiger_scott]

The whole sign on the 1st of November this year to play for another club in 2023 needs to go! We've been saying it ourselves, in suggestions thread, sign player x and then get them to agitate for a release in '22. We can't have players signing for a year in advance. Definitely need a trade window. Make it October say. Teams finish early October, if they're the lucky two. Then unsigned players swap teams before starting training at their new clubs in November.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I don't think a draft will ever happen, but they do need to shift the CBA somehow. As it is, it's far too easy for a player to agitate and get a move to a better team and/or more money - and the old club gets absolutely nothing out of it.
Even if they bring in a trade period or something similar to the AFL.
Negotiating a full year before the end of contract is ridiculous as well, and doesn't happen in many other competitions (if any).

The current system is far too unbalanced and allows the rich clubs to horde talent, maintaining the status quo.

I think a simple change is once you sign a contract you shouldn't be allowed to negotiate a higher contract with another club during the same period, so even if you go to another club you can not be paid more.

This is a little off topic so I will set up another thread for this discussion as it in something that interests me.

https://weststigersforum.com/topic/32624/the-salary-cap/16?_=1635234631624

Isn’t that how most sports not named soccer work . It’s weird that we allow it . It should be if you sign a 4 year deal , then the second last year your team has 2 years to sort out an extension. Which is basically what you said . And 2 transfer windows 1 for a month in the middle of the year . And from nov-jan 31. And have strict anti tampering penalties .

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The whole sign on the 1st of November this year to play for another club in 2023 needs to go! We've been saying it ourselves, in suggestions thread, sign player x and then get them to agitate for a release in '22. We can't have players signing for a year in advance. Definitely need a trade window. Make it October say. Teams finish early October, if they're the lucky two. Then unsigned players swap teams before starting training at their new clubs in November.

We don’t have to worry about that. We never sign anyone in November.

 

[tiger_scott]

Hopefully that changes in a few days time. Even if some secret dealings happen before hand, it's such a bad look; the current 1 year out signing stuff. Keep it behind closed doors. First of November the dogs announce the signings of JAC and Barton. We announce the signings of Hodson and Tamalolo (I wish).

 

[supercoach]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

One way to help would to eliminate the minimum % spend. Clubs should pay players what they are worth not more because they have to meet the spend quota.

On top of that the NRL need to have a hard minimum value for players and that is the minimum they are in the cap for. If players want to play for better clubs for less fine but a true value should be reflected in the cap

 

[twentyforty]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul

There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

 

[GarryOwen]

I think there needs to be some sort of guarantee on contracts. So if a player wants out for whatever reason, his current club can ask for something in return (i.e. a player or players), and the contract just carries over to the new club.
I think a lot of issues could be solved with a proper trading mechanism. Say you have a deadline halfway through the season, team A, struggling in the bottom half, could trade away one of their established FGers to a contending team (team B) to get a young gun (or two) in return, kick-starting a rebuild. Team B gets an experienced player to assist with their finals tilt. Everyone wins (in theory).

 

[supercoach]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

The money or incentives can be channeled through family, friend who ever. No way to trace it

 

[Tiger5150]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

 

[Krammy]

The fact that players will take less money to go to different clubs e.g. Souths, Roosters for me is the reason we are not seeing a spread of talent. Lattrell Mitchell goes into a lower tier or whatever for accepting $750K at Souths. If he did decide to come to our club he would be in the absolute top tier one million - we can't compete with the way the salary cap is run at present.

 

[twentyforty]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

 

[cochise]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

 

[twentyforty]

The fact that players will take less money to go to different clubs e.g. Souths, Roosters for me is the reason we are not seeing a spread of talent. Lattrell Mitchell goes into a lower tier or whatever for accepting $750K at Souths. If he did decide to come to our club he would be in the absolute top tier one million - we can't compete with the way the salary cap is run at present.

Its great that players have a choice to do that. Lets remember Mitchell signed for much less than the $800k offer from chooks. With that in mind, we were never a chance either but we had to try.

 

[Snake]

You want a level playing field all clubs have the same TPA’s on top of the cap easy as ! The cap is not the issue the TPA’s are..

 

[cochise]

You want a level playing field all clubs have the same TPA’s on top of the cap easy as ! The cap is not the issue the TPA’s are..

I don't know how you stop TPA rorting though.

 

[twentyforty]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

 

[cochise]

The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

Transparency i think is an area they could improve.

 

[twentyforty]

You want a level playing field all clubs have the same TPA’s on top of the cap easy as ! The cap is not the issue the TPA’s are..

Regardless of any introduced rules there will never be a level playing field, and thats the way it should be. Its a game of pushing the envelope to get your side a victory.