The thing is..

[cochise]

I train my sons under 14s footy team (Chester hill hornets). We look like a million dollars at training and everyone knows where to be and what lines or plays to run. Come game day, after a few sets it all goes out the window and they look like a team who hasn’t been coached (very embarrassing lol). Is it the coach or is it the players?? Is it that I’m not getting through to the players or will they play like us regardless of who is the coach? Sounds like a tigers dilemma lol.

Mate the reason for that is they are 14.

Thanks champ

I know it was a short response, but I honestly believe that to be the case. 14 year olds are really at that transition phase and their thinking is all over the place. Trying to get them to do anything consistently is almost impossible. At that stage they are really getting introduced to the structures of the game for the 1st time and that is your role. Building on the fundamentals they have learnt and exposing them to the structures they will see as they get older.

Don't worry too much about what you do at training disappearing on game day, they are going to lose track of that when they play but the structures you are introducing now at training are not just for the weekend, it is teaching them about the game they will be playing in 2 years time if that makes sense?

 

[Tiger5150]

I wish this forum had more opportunity for random thoughts....

 

[BAGNF05]

Is it the coach - how do you know?

In my experience in playing sport (and I am no superhero sports star), teams with inconsistent attitude or long losing records oftn seem to accept they will always be inconsistent or they will lose no mattter what. Teams that regularly win believe they will win no matter who they play.
These attitudes determine outcomes and I have no doubt the coaching staff and recruitment team are working towards replacing those with that attitude. This can be seen often in the forwards, who now seem most times to be able to hold their own at the very least against most teams.
We need it transferred to the backs now and that seems to be moreof a task to make the transition. Like most I was very disappointed with them - Talau made a lot of mistakes but will hopefully learn from them.
BJ and to a lesser extent LL have me more worried. They just don't seem switched on or able to adjust to what is needed in defence.
Nofo seems to be collecting his 4-year pension as I just haven't seen the determination in his return runs that have been his trademark over a lot of years. That coupled with his defensive issues have me thinking a stint in KOE might get an attitude adjustment.

Yep time for reggies for Noff. With some luck he might get a bruised ego and ask for a release.

 

[Demps]

Is it the coach - how do you know?

In my experience in playing sport (and I am no superhero sports star), teams with inconsistent attitude or long losing records oftn seem to accept they will always be inconsistent or they will lose no mattter what. Teams that regularly win believe they will win no matter who they play.
These attitudes determine outcomes and I have no doubt the coaching staff and recruitment team are working towards replacing those with that attitude. This can be seen often in the forwards, who now seem most times to be able to hold their own at the very least against most teams.
We need it transferred to the backs now and that seems to be moreof a task to make the transition. Like most I was very disappointed with them - Talau made a lot of mistakes but will hopefully learn from them.
BJ and to a lesser extent LL have me more worried. They just don't seem switched on or able to adjust to what is needed in defence.
Nofo seems to be collecting his 4-year pension as I just haven't seen the determination in his return runs that have been his trademark over a lot of years. That coupled with his defensive issues have me thinking a stint in KOE might get an attitude adjustment.

Yep time for reggies for Noff. With some luck he might get a bruised ego and ask for a release.

Never gonna happen.
He's first picked every week.

And his replacements aren't looking worthy either.

Our backline is so bad.
Laurie and Douihei aside....

 

[rustycage]

This inconsistency DNA - and let's call it for what it is - is slowly becoming our trademark. Sadly Madge seems to have no idea on how to change it. We can't hang our hopes on a turn around when clearly it is not luck or faith that is against us. The team is either in a state of a perennial anxiety soon as points are scored against us or mentally too easy to defeat. In any case they require a coach that has the ability to leave his ego out the door and get into the players heads rather than one that expects that work alone will get the job done. So forget about remaking them. You have to accept them as is and make the best of a bad situation. To do that you need some smart mental strategies. Which we lack. The key to effectively playing present is to focus on the 'next play.' Not the one that just happened--it's over. Not the one that may happen later, but the play right in front of you. You must learn how to focus on the task at hand and execute that to the best of your ability. Then do that for the next play. And the next play. And the play after that. One play at a time.

Maybe they’re not that bad. The amount of tries scored against us that are caused by incorrect decisions on Noffas side are crazy. If we could just fix that, we’d win a whole lot more. Sort out that mess first. It’s not Brooks, or our lack of a back rower, plodding forwards or whatever else gets thrown up week after week. Fix the defence on the right side and we’re a long way down the track to wining a lot more games. If we can’t fix it, then get rid of them.

 

[Merlot]

I wish this forum had more opportunity for random thoughts....

we do,just on odd days every1 crushes them ,then on even days all positive,and avoid site for 2 days after a loss,lol

 

[hobbo1]

Is it the coach - how do you know?

In my experience in playing sport (and I am no superhero sports star), teams with inconsistent attitude or long losing records oftn seem to accept they will always be inconsistent or they will lose no mattter what. Teams that regularly win believe they will win no matter who they play.
These attitudes determine outcomes and I have no doubt the coaching staff and recruitment team are working towards replacing those with that attitude. This can be seen often in the forwards, who now seem most times to be able to hold their own at the very least against most teams.
We need it transferred to the backs now and that seems to be moreof a task to make the transition. Like most I was very disappointed with them - Talau made a lot of mistakes but will hopefully learn from them.
BJ and to a lesser extent LL have me more worried. They just don't seem switched on or able to adjust to what is needed in defence.
Nofo seems to be collecting his 4-year pension as I just haven't seen the determination in his return runs that have been his trademark over a lot of years. That coupled with his defensive issues have me thinking a stint in KOE might get an attitude adjustment.

Yep time for reggies for Noff. With some luck he might get a bruised ego and ask for a release.

Never gonna happen.
He's first picked every week.

And his replacements aren't looking worthy either.

Our backline is so bad.
Laurie and Douihei aside....

Replacements couldn’t do any worse
4 more years of Nofoaluma is deplorable

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Why don't We representing this forum send an email to Wests Tigers top management expressing our unhappiness with coach /players/ managementith coach /players/ management and also ask for a reply to our letter? Do you really believe these people (coach/players/ Wests Tigers
management) read this forum? . They don't, so wake them up.

When it takes all three Pascoe/Madge/Hartigan to fly to Brisbane and talk to opposition players although Magic Round was a better opportunity to fly under the radar you have to wonder about Management, they all look after each other till the pressure's on again.

Instead Maguire should have been concentrating on winning back to back and let Hartigan do his job.
There is the whole problem with the coach.
He is too old school and talks about an organization but in reality he can't see that we are dis-organized from the Top,

 

[hank37w]

I train my sons under 14s footy team (Chester hill hornets). We look like a million dollars at training and everyone knows where to be and what lines or plays to run. Come game day, after a few sets it all goes out the window and they look like a team who hasn’t been coached (very embarrassing lol). Is it the coach or is it the players?? Is it that I’m not getting through to the players or will they play like us regardless of who is the coach? Sounds like a tigers dilemma lol.

Mate the reason for that is they are 14.

And the reason for our mob is that they have a combined IQ of 14.

 

[Krammy]

This inconsistency DNA - and let's call it for what it is - is slowly becoming our trademark. Sadly Madge seems to have no idea on how to change it. We can't hang our hopes on a turn around when clearly it is not luck or faith that is against us. The team is either in a state of a perennial anxiety soon as points are scored against us or mentally too easy to defeat. In any case they require a coach that has the ability to leave his ego out the door and get into the players heads rather than one that expects that work alone will get the job done. So forget about remaking them. You have to accept them as is and make the best of a bad situation. To do that you need some smart mental strategies. Which we lack. The key to effectively playing present is to focus on the 'next play.' Not the one that just happened--it's over. Not the one that may happen later, but the play right in front of you. You must learn how to focus on the task at hand and execute that to the best of your ability. Then do that for the next play. And the next play. And the play after that. One play at a time.






Maybe they’re not that bad. The amount of tries scored against us that are caused by incorrect decisions on Noffas side are crazy. If we could just fix that, we’d win a whole lot more. Sort out that mess first. It’s not Brooks, or our lack of a back rower, plodding forwards or whatever else gets thrown up week after week. Fix the defence on the right side and we’re a long way down the track to wining a lot more games. If we can’t fix it, then get rid of them.

Agree Rusty - I would add - fix the defence on both edges. It would be interesting how many games we could win if this one area gets addressed. Sadly as this has not been picked up by coaches over the last so many years, I can't see them suddenly changing tactics - one can always hope I suppose.

 

[BAGNF05]

Is it the coach - how do you know?

In my experience in playing sport (and I am no superhero sports star), teams with inconsistent attitude or long losing records oftn seem to accept they will always be inconsistent or they will lose no mattter what. Teams that regularly win believe they will win no matter who they play.
These attitudes determine outcomes and I have no doubt the coaching staff and recruitment team are working towards replacing those with that attitude. This can be seen often in the forwards, who now seem most times to be able to hold their own at the very least against most teams.
We need it transferred to the backs now and that seems to be moreof a task to make the transition. Like most I was very disappointed with them - Talau made a lot of mistakes but will hopefully learn from them.
BJ and to a lesser extent LL have me more worried. They just don't seem switched on or able to adjust to what is needed in defence.
Nofo seems to be collecting his 4-year pension as I just haven't seen the determination in his return runs that have been his trademark over a lot of years. That coupled with his defensive issues have me thinking a stint in KOE might get an attitude adjustment.

Yep time for reggies for Noff. With some luck he might get a bruised ego and ask for a release.

Never gonna happen.
He's first picked every week.

And his replacements aren't looking worthy either.

Our backline is so bad.
Laurie and Douihei aside....

If those two weren’t playing as well as they are, for the first time in my life I probably wouldn’t watch.

 

[BAGNF05]

This inconsistency DNA - and let's call it for what it is - is slowly becoming our trademark. Sadly Madge seems to have no idea on how to change it. We can't hang our hopes on a turn around when clearly it is not luck or faith that is against us. The team is either in a state of a perennial anxiety soon as points are scored against us or mentally too easy to defeat. In any case they require a coach that has the ability to leave his ego out the door and get into the players heads rather than one that expects that work alone will get the job done. So forget about remaking them. You have to accept them as is and make the best of a bad situation. To do that you need some smart mental strategies. Which we lack. The key to effectively playing present is to focus on the 'next play.' Not the one that just happened--it's over. Not the one that may happen later, but the play right in front of you. You must learn how to focus on the task at hand and execute that to the best of your ability. Then do that for the next play. And the next play. And the play after that. One play at a time.






Maybe they’re not that bad. The amount of tries scored against us that are caused by incorrect decisions on Noffas side are crazy. If we could just fix that, we’d win a whole lot more. Sort out that mess first. It’s not Brooks, or our lack of a back rower, plodding forwards or whatever else gets thrown up week after week. Fix the defence on the right side and we’re a long way down the track to wining a lot more games. If we can’t fix it, then get rid of them.

Agree Rusty - I would add - fix the defence on both edges. It would be interesting how many games we could win if this one area gets addressed. Sadly as this has not been picked up by coaches over the last so many years, I can't see them suddenly changing tactics - one can always hope I suppose.

Defense is attitude

WT attitude = happy to play in the NRL

 

[Merlot]

Why don't We representing this forum send an email to Wests Tigers top management expressing our unhappiness with coach /players/ managementith coach /players/ management and also ask for a reply to our letter? Do you really believe these people (coach/players/ Wests Tigers
management) read this forum? . They don't, so wake them up.

When it takes all three Pascoe/Madge/Hartigan to fly to Brisbane and talk to opposition players although Magic Round was a better opportunity to fly under the radar you have to wonder about Management, they all look after each other till the pressure's on again.

Instead Maguire should have been concentrating on winning back to back and let Hartigan do his job.
There is the whole problem with the coach.
He is too old school and talks about an organization but in reality he can't see that we are dis-organized from the Top,

that flight the 3 of them took if true should not of leaked out is it flushing out rats or blowin there own trumpets in the wind,via an exspensive lunch

 

[Demps]

Is it the coach - how do you know?

In my experience in playing sport (and I am no superhero sports star), teams with inconsistent attitude or long losing records oftn seem to accept they will always be inconsistent or they will lose no mattter what. Teams that regularly win believe they will win no matter who they play.
These attitudes determine outcomes and I have no doubt the coaching staff and recruitment team are working towards replacing those with that attitude. This can be seen often in the forwards, who now seem most times to be able to hold their own at the very least against most teams.
We need it transferred to the backs now and that seems to be moreof a task to make the transition. Like most I was very disappointed with them - Talau made a lot of mistakes but will hopefully learn from them.
BJ and to a lesser extent LL have me more worried. They just don't seem switched on or able to adjust to what is needed in defence.
Nofo seems to be collecting his 4-year pension as I just haven't seen the determination in his return runs that have been his trademark over a lot of years. That coupled with his defensive issues have me thinking a stint in KOE might get an attitude adjustment.

Yep time for reggies for Noff. With some luck he might get a bruised ego and ask for a release.

Never gonna happen.
He's first picked every week.

And his replacements aren't looking worthy either.

Our backline is so bad.
Laurie and Douihei aside....

Replacements couldn’t do any worse
4 more years of Nofoaluma is deplorable

Id like to drop all the backs except Adam and Dane but yeah... it won't happen.
Need some strong recruitment asap

 

[brian]

We need Batman. Na na na na na na Batman Batman batman.

Or we could just get rid of the likes of Benny Elias ten years behind the scenes destabilising the place, couldn't even keep his nephew and now in true style offers a pittance to buy it.
Maybe it is Madge and Cleary and Taylor who were the other three coaches in last six years ?
Maybe it's Farrah woods Tedesco Brooks , maybe we are just where we should be bottom of the heap wooden spoon contender better than no contend at all.
In other news my little pony collection has is great.