The Tim Sheens Saga

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hodgo

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I have been reading alot of posts this season about our coach and most of it is negative. The reason i made this post was to bring to everyone's attention the growth of the team under sheens. When Sheens took over the reigns at the tigers we were a team struggling with an identity and struggling to win consistently. Under sheens the tigers have bloomed from a team lucky to make the 8 to a team that has failed if it doesnt make the semis. The bar for the tigers is no longer scrape into the 8 but dominate most of the time.

Now i dont agree with all of sheensys team choices, use of the bench or seemingly playing players not in form, however if he wants to coach the tigers until his 95 for mine id be happy because the culture at this club is success and tim has adapted the team in different directions nearly every year.

Anyway that is my rant if you have an issue with him sweet but for gods sake nothing he has done warrants an exit.

Hodg
 
"nothing he has done warrants an exit"

The complete failure years of 2006-2009 immediately after winning a GF sits ok with you? He should have left in 2008.

For his sake and for his legacy i hope he brings back the trophy this year or next year. Unlike yourself as a member and supporter for 30 years (Former Balmain supporter), mediocrity does not sit well with me. i will not be happy if he has only delivered 1 premiership before he turns 95\. You blow his trumpet but disagree with many things he has done. Why is failure (i.e. failure to win the premiership is the ultimate failure) but also failure to miss the top 8 for many seasons and blatant errors of picking wrong players and picking players in wrong positions ok for a coach to continually do year in year out and deliver nothing. How can the culture at the club be success when year after year (7 of them if he doesnt deliver this year) the only thing he has done is coached failure. Do the NSW blues after 6 seasons of failing have a "success" culture through their camp? i think not.
 
Agree totally Hodgo and looking back on many of his decisions in hindsight they have proved 100% correct. Since 2005 we have been cruelled by injury, have withstood some key player losses and come through some really tough times.

You can't build a successful culture overnight, it takes years to get the systems, players and processes aligned. I would happily give us a few years of moderate success to have a team that is consistently a chance of winning the comp.
 
I am a Sheens Fan. I believe that no one could have done what he has on and off the field for what was the NRL basket case club.

Totally agree that I don't understand a few of the decisions made on the face of it, however my life experience and people management experience allows me to know that there is always more information that goes into a certain strategy and the execution of that strategy.

Have there been years where the tigers have underachieved? absolutely but the same goes for almost every club.

Time Sheens gets the blame when every thing is going wrong, how about a little credit when its going well.
 
@reyre2000 said:
"nothing he has done warrants an exit"

The complete failure years of 2006-2009 immediately after winning a GF sits ok with you? He should have left in 2008.

For his sake and for his legacy i hope he brings back the trophy this year or next year. Unlike yourself as a member and supporter for 30 years (Former Balmain supporter), mediocrity does not sit well with me. i will not be happy if he has only delivered 1 premiership before he turns 95\. You blow his trumpet but disagree with many things he has done. Why is failure (i.e. failure to win the premiership is the ultimate failure) but also failure to miss the top 8 for many seasons and blatant errors of picking wrong players and picking players in wrong positions ok for a coach to continually do year in year out and deliver nothing. How can the culture at the club be success when year after year (7 of them if he doesnt deliver this year) the only thing he has done is coached failure. Do the NSW blues after 6 seasons of failing have a "success" culture through their camp? i think not.
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Well he didn't leave in 2008, he's still there now. Are you suggesting he be fired retrospectively based on the team's performance from 06-09?

You say he's picking players out of position. You probably include Marshall in that category and yet he dominated the whole game on Saturday night. Bell at lock? Proven to be a masterstroke. Ayshford/Lawrence at 5/8? Didn't work out and Sheens was quick to abandon it. Ryan at centre? Seems to be working out fine to me.

Wests Tigers are the only team to run in the top 4 in the last 2 years. Our record in that time is something like 37-23 I think for regular season games. You say not winning a premiership is a failure. In the years 2006-2011 only 3 coaches have won Grand Finals (Bennett, Bellamy, Hasler).
 
@reyre2000 said:
picking wrong players and picking players in wrong positions
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Genuine question - does any coach not do this? Whenever I talk to other fans they all seem to have their gripes about playing players out of position, always picking favourites (We've had Fitzhenry, Moltzen, Ryan etc). Is there any club without these problems?
 
I agree hodgo
Statistically I'm torn. Sheens has made 3 finals in the Last 9 years… He should have made 4 based on a 16 team comp
Although he has won one premiership and that is a success as every team should win at least 1 every 16 years .... But that's just stats

In 2003-4 we were in a building phase
2005 we won a premiership that was a " fairy tail"
2006-9 we came close but suffered from key players leaving and injury to key players
2010-11 we came very close but just short and I count those seasons as fairly successful as we finished both top four

We are heading in the right direction and our future looks bright with our great junior development and fantastic roster which sheens has developed

So whilst i am torn about sheens past success i think the final outcome to where we are now is where i think the team should be... Whether some think its too late... we are there and we are a top 4 side and a threat
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It appears that anyone that doesn't worship the ground he walks on they are automatically deemed a Sheens-hater
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
It appears that anyone that doesn't worship the ground he walks on they are automatically deemed a Sheens-hater
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In the same vein, some people who have voiced support for Sheens through difficult periods have been accused of "accepting mediocrity", among other things.

Swings and roundabouts. People should be able to express an opinion without being labelled.
 
While like most I dont agree with the team selections always or use of the bench, I have to say that Sheens is doing a good job if the teams improvement so far this year counts.

Also strangely not many individuals in the team are consistent Australian representatives despite the team being top 4 in the past 2 years and this suggests he is getting the most from them as a TEAM.

Also when you look at some players who have flourished under his coaching e.g. Utai (has been) Bell (discard) Ryan,Woods and Galloway etc then that counts for something as well.
 
He has done well the past few years. Hopefully there is a succession plan in place with either Georgallis or the great Leo Epifania over the next 12-24 months
 
He has created systems which see great juniors come ot the club each year, we have a great culture, have run top 4 in consecutive years, have now won 7 on the trot, if ever anyone should be able to feel safe in his job it is Tim Sheens
 
Living in Newcastle I've been hearing quite a bit from Bennett stating he's trying to build the knights to become a sound structural club/organization, given the knights poor performances so far this seaon. Every interview he pretty much states this.
I reckon Sheens has achieved this with our club/organization looking at our sg ball, Toyota cup & cubs teams we have filtered throughout our system.
 
@Goose said:
He has created systems which see great juniors come ot the club each year, we have a great culture, have run top 4 in consecutive years, have now won 7 on the trot, if ever anyone should be able to feel safe in his job it is Tim Sheens
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wat system is that?
 
Sheens came under plenty of stick when he let Gibbs go. He was a fav of mine. Find myself watching Sharks games to see how he goes.

Now Woods is killing it, Gibbs has become the forgotten man.

It was an unpopular move to let him go but we may have to credit Sheens for having the balls to make the call and for getting the timing right,
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