The Wash Up for the Blues

[stryker]

That spear tackle was as bad as I've seen on a football field. Not even 10 minutes on the sideline. You can't throw a punch but you can put someone in a position where they can risk being paralysed , and only give away a penalty.
The Refs were too scared to do what they should have done. Wonder how many parents , mentally crossed Rugby League off the list of sports for their kids, after that tackle

Lol get real
The tackle was bad but I've seen far worse. Gallen spear on Myles the other year topped it for starters…accidents happen.

As for parents LOL....Rugby League isn't for everyone. It's an elite full contact sport. If it looks too scary then by all means make your kids play sokkah with the rest of the puncey little fairies. Leave league for the hard kids.[/quote

One of the more idiotic posts written of late.

Are you guys for real,
it was a classic spear tackle , and deserves a lot more than he'll probably get, And if you think parents don't take notice of rubbish like that , I suggest you think again.
I've been involved in League in playing, coaching both juniors and seniors, and Rep teams,, my kids and grand kids both have played ( one at a high level) and the g/kids still do. I don't really think any of us were ever scared to play, and when I did play , those sort of tackles were a lot more commonplace than they are now,

Luckily people , more concerned for player safety than you guys are, have gone a long way to getting it out of our game, not far enough it seems
While you may sit back and think that it's tough to spear someone into the ground head first,
Just remember some of the previous instances of players being injured in those sort of tackles,
You like to have a laugh at parents who care about what happens to their kids if rules are ignored. , that says more about you than those parents.
League is a hard game and yes it's full contact , and most of us wouldn't want it any other way.
But whether it was Thaiday last night, or Gallen on a different occasion, it's a send off offence.
I didn't know that there was still people around , who judged Kids " as punsey little fairies"
If they wanted to play a different sport than the one your kids do.

Geez there's some short memories here.

Written like a true blue sook. Well done nanny.

 

[stryker]

That spear tackle was as bad as I've seen on a football field. Not even 10 minutes on the sideline. You can't throw a punch but you can put someone in a position where they can risk being paralysed , and only give away a penalty.
The Refs were too scared to do what they should have done. Wonder how many parents , mentally crossed Rugby League off the list of sports for their kids, after that tackle

Lol get real
The tackle was bad but I've seen far worse. Gallen spear on Myles the other year topped it for starters…accidents happen.

As for parents LOL....Rugby League isn't for everyone. It's an elite full contact sport. If it looks too scary then by all means make your kids play sokkah with the rest of the puncey little fairies. Leave league for the hard kids.

"bad"
"accidents happen"
lol

this was not a tackle that may have sprained a ligament or broke a bone, this was probably worse than alex mckinnon's, thankfully without the casualty.
2 matches. what a load of crap.

It was the correct punishment.

 

[innsaneink]

LOL…stryker...you remind me of Col Fitts


 

[goldcoast_tiger]

That spear tackle was as bad as I've seen on a football field. Not even 10 minutes on the sideline. You can't throw a punch but you can put someone in a position where they can risk being paralysed , and only give away a penalty.
The Refs were too scared to do what they should have done. Wonder how many parents , mentally crossed Rugby League off the list of sports for their kids, after that tackle

Lol get real
The tackle was bad but I've seen far worse. Gallen spear on Myles the other year topped it for starters…accidents happen.

As for parents LOL....Rugby League isn't for everyone. It's an elite full contact sport. If it looks too scary then by all means make your kids play sokkah with the rest of the puncey little fairies. Leave league for the hard kids.

"bad"
"accidents happen"
lol

this was not a tackle that may have sprained a ligament or broke a bone, this was probably worse than alex mckinnon's, thankfully without the casualty.
2 matches. what a load of crap.

It was the correct punishment.

Add about another 4 to that and it might be getting closer to the real number.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Lol get real
The tackle was bad but I've seen far worse. Gallen spear on Myles the other year topped it for starters…accidents happen.

As for parents LOL....Rugby League isn't for everyone. It's an elite full contact sport. If it looks too scary then by all means make your kids play sokkah with the rest of the puncey little fairies. Leave league for the hard kids.[/quote

One of the more idiotic posts written of late.

Are you guys for real,
it was a classic spear tackle , and deserves a lot more than he'll probably get, And if you think parents don't take notice of rubbish like that , I suggest you think again.
I've been involved in League in playing, coaching both juniors and seniors, and Rep teams,, my kids and grand kids both have played ( one at a high level) and the g/kids still do. I don't really think any of us were ever scared to play, and when I did play , those sort of tackles were a lot more commonplace than they are now,

Luckily people , more concerned for player safety than you guys are, have gone a long way to getting it out of our game, not far enough it seems
While you may sit back and think that it's tough to spear someone into the ground head first,
Just remember some of the previous instances of players being injured in those sort of tackles,
You like to have a laugh at parents who care about what happens to their kids if rules are ignored. , that says more about you than those parents.
League is a hard game and yes it's full contact , and most of us wouldn't want it any other way.
But whether it was Thaiday last night, or Gallen on a different occasion, it's a send off offence.
I didn't know that there was still people around , who judged Kids " as punsey little fairies"
If they wanted to play a different sport than the one your kids do.

Geez there's some short memories here.

Written like a true blue sook. Well done nanny.

Nothing to do with Blue or Maroon, that kind of tackle has no place in the game. ( from either team) How many players have to get seriously injured or worse until knuckleheads realise that???
Theres nothing tough about spearing a player into the ground especially when he is not in a position to protect himself.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

There's a good article in the SMH.
Quoting A leading Spinal Specialist ,Adrian Cohen
Who stated that tackle "was among the worst one he had seen "and he gave the reasons that it was so bad. He just happens to be the person who set up "Neck Safe. "
But I guess the Neanderthals among us , either won't believe it because they know better, or won't be able to understand what he's saying.
He said the penalty for Thiaday should have been ending his season.

 

[Nelson]

There's a good article in the SMH.
Quoting A leading Spinal Specialist ,Adrian Cohen
Who stated that tackle "was among the worst one he had seen "and he gave the reasons that it was so bad. He just happens to be the person who set up "Neck Safe. "
But I guess the Neanderthals among us , either won't believe it because they know better, or won't be able to understand what he's saying.
He said the penalty for Thiaday should have been ending his season.

No offence but of course he's going to say that. He's a specialist doctor in that field who is understandably going to use player welfare as his sole focus. It's a bit like asking the Greens whether more should be done to address global warming.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I think guys that perform such should be permanently banned from the game after the first offence. Such acts are completely unnecessary and indefencible.

 

[innsaneink]

There's a good article in the SMH.
Quoting A leading Spinal Specialist ,Adrian Cohen
Who stated that tackle "was among the worst one he had seen "and he gave the reasons that it was so bad. He just happens to be the person who set up "Neck Safe. "
But I guess the Neanderthals among us , either won't believe it because they know better, or won't be able to understand what he's saying.
He said the penalty for Thiaday should have been ending his season.

No offence but of course he's going to say that. He's a specialist doctor in that field who is understandably going to use player welfare as his sole focus. It's a bit like asking the Greens whether more should be done to address global warming.

I dont get your point….Hes a spinal specialist, an expert....do you think hes lying? Or just saying it for the sake of saying it?
No point asking a plumber, they asked someone relevant

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I wonder what the penalty would have been if the victim was Thurston or a protected species like Smith, Inglis or Cronk? No doubt it would of been more.
Was just watching Super League on telly and a bloke just got sent to the sin bin for foul play- why doesn't the NRL use the sin bin for foul play instead of just professional fouls? It would be the logical thing to do.

 

[Nelson]

There's a good article in the SMH.
Quoting A leading Spinal Specialist ,Adrian Cohen
Who stated that tackle "was among the worst one he had seen "and he gave the reasons that it was so bad. He just happens to be the person who set up "Neck Safe. "
But I guess the Neanderthals among us , either won't believe it because they know better, or won't be able to understand what he's saying.
He said the penalty for Thiaday should have been ending his season.

No offence but of course he's going to say that. He's a specialist doctor in that field who is understandably going to use player welfare as his sole focus. It's a bit like asking the Greens whether more should be done to address global warming.

I dont get your point….Hes a spinal specialist, an expert....do you think hes lying? Or just saying it for the sake of saying it?
No point asking a plumber, they asked someone relevant

I was talking about the penalty he said should be imposed. He's not an expert on that, he's a guy who because of his job and training is going to focus on player welfare and tend to want to see longer penalties imposed. Not sure how you got that I thought he was lying? I guess I better work on my analogies…

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

There's a good article in the SMH.
Quoting A leading Spinal Specialist ,Adrian Cohen
Who stated that tackle "was among the worst one he had seen "and he gave the reasons that it was so bad. He just happens to be the person who set up "Neck Safe. "
But I guess the Neanderthals among us , either won't believe it because they know better, or won't be able to understand what he's saying.
He said the penalty for Thiaday should have been ending his season.

No offence but of course he's going to say that. He's a specialist doctor in that field who is understandably going to use player welfare as his sole focus. It's a bit like asking the Greens whether more should be done to address global warming.

I dont get your point….Hes a spinal specialist, an expert....do you think hes lying? Or just saying it for the sake of saying it?
No point asking a plumber, they asked someone relevant

I was talking about the penalty he said should be imposed. He's not an expert on that, he's a guy who because of his job and training is going to focus on player welfare and tend to want to see longer penalties imposed. Not sure how you got that I thought he was lying? I guess I better work on my analogies…

As someone who knows, and sees too often the results of serious neck injuries, I would think that he is in a perfect position to comment on the suspensions of players who place other players in that danger zone. League used to be extremely tough on Spear tackles and head high tackles, but have backed off a lot in the last few years, with the excuse that teams have to battle with a player missing.
Well, who cares!
I'd much rather see a team play a man short. Than to see another bad spinal injury happen , when the chances of that happening could have been lessened.
The league is putting itself in a dangerous position of a different type, by not cracking down on Head/Spinal damage, and it may come back and bite their bum.
Someone will sue, and good luck to them.
Action can be taken to reduce the risk , by sending off players who do it, also giving them a long suspension, not the slap on the wrist that now applies

 

[stryker]

LOL…stryker...you remind me of Col Fitts


Good, my job is done here then :sunglasses:

 

[Nelson]

No offence but of course he's going to say that. He's a specialist doctor in that field who is understandably going to use player welfare as his sole focus. It's a bit like asking the Greens whether more should be done to address global warming.

I dont get your point….Hes a spinal specialist, an expert....do you think hes lying? Or just saying it for the sake of saying it?
No point asking a plumber, they asked someone relevant

I was talking about the penalty he said should be imposed. He's not an expert on that, he's a guy who because of his job and training is going to focus on player welfare and tend to want to see longer penalties imposed. Not sure how you got that I thought he was lying? I guess I better work on my analogies…

As someone who knows, and sees too often the results of serious neck injuries, I would think that he is in a perfect position to comment on the suspensions of players who place other players in that danger zone. League used to be extremely tough on Spear tackles and head high tackles, but have backed off a lot in the last few years, with the excuse that teams have to battle with a player missing.
Well, who cares!
I'd much rather see a team play a man short. Than to see another bad spinal injury happen , when the chances of that happening could have been lessened.
The league is putting itself in a dangerous position of a different type, by not cracking down on Head/Spinal damage, and it may come back and bite their bum.
Someone will sue, and good luck to them.
Action can be taken to reduce the risk , by sending off players who do it, also giving them a long suspension, not the slap on the wrist that now applies

Look I'd be quite happy to see harsher penalties for this crap but I don't think they're realistically in any danger of a successful lawsuit if someone is seriously injured. They have made the conduct illegal. They have formed an independent match review committee and tribunal to handle the disciplinary process. Where is their liability going to come from? Failure to provide a safe environment in a full contact sport when they have those systems in place? Not going to happen.

As to the spinal surgeon, of course his views are relevant, but like I was trying to get across he's the guy you go to as a journo who is going to suggest the biggest penalty. A better analogy might be asking a sexual assault counsellor about penalties for rape - more likely than not they're going to be saying take the big stick out. Good view to have but you're going to end up with a pretty one sided policy if it's the only view you take into account.

 

[innsaneink]

But his opinion wasnt the biggest penalty

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

In a way Nelson, you've answered your own question.

Yes, they've recognised theres a problem.
They've made the conduct illegal.
But …...its still happening.
And the leagues penalties are not stopping them.

Spear tackling, Head highs, (as weve seen also this year) are happening quite often, some worse than others
One or two weeks suspension, is nothing. compared to the action.
The fact that the nrl has recognised the danger , and yet their penalties are so lenient,
may be the very thing that would damage them in a lawsuit.

Also the fact that if a player punches another player , no matter how hard , he will be sent off for 10 minutes. and a penalty given. HIS TEAM Loses a player.
Compare that with what happened on Wed Night.
NO time on the sideline
A penalty and a visit to the judiciary for a couple of weeks off ...... MAYBE,

Not as serious as a punch??????????????
There's a few people who would Qoestion that.

After seeing the slaps on the fingers that this judiciary hands out for Head High tackles, nothing would surprise me.
Big penalties on players almost eradicated that stuff from he game, some years back,
but thats all slipped these days, as the League now , seems only worried that the clubs ( therefore the TV channels , the real controller of the game ) may lose a player during the game
It probably will take someone suing before the league before they will take proper action on players safety.

 

[Nelson]

In a way Nelson, you've answered your own question.

Yes, they've recognised theres a problem.
They've made the conduct illegal.
But …...its still happening.
And the leagues penalties are not stopping them.

Spear tackling, Head highs, (as weve seen also this year) are happening quite often, some worse than others
One or two weeks suspension, is nothing. compared to the action.
The fact that the nrl has recognised the danger , and yet their penalties are so lenient,
may be the very thing that would damage them in a lawsuit.

Also the fact that if a player punches another player , no matter how hard , he will be sent off for 10 minutes. and a penalty given. HIS TEAM Loses a player.
Compare that with what happened on Wed Night.
NO time on the sideline
A penalty and a visit to the judiciary for a couple of weeks off ...... MAYBE,

Not as serious as a punch??????????????
There's a few people who would Qoestion that.

After seeing the slaps on the fingers that this judiciary hands out for Head High tackles, nothing would surprise me.
Big penalties on players almost eradicated that stuff from he game, some years back,
but thats all slipped these days, as the League now , seems only worried that the clubs ( therefore the TV channels , the real controller of the game ) may lose a player during the game
It probably will take someone suing before the league before they will take proper action on players safety.

I don't think you can really compare throwing a punch with a dangerous tackle. One of them is unambiguously a deliberate act and the other may be anything from a complete accident to a deliberate act. When there's a scale like that you have to leave discretion in the match officials. Where dangerous tackles are deliberate they should obviously be a send off, but where they are accidental do you really think it's a send off offence?

A lot of what you are complaining about is the response of the judiciary - but that is not the NRL. It is a disciplinary body they have set up to be independent of the NRL. That is standard in sporting organisations around the world. The judiciary is a quasi judicial body that has to be chaired by a current or former Judge (District Court or above). I struggle to see how anybody is going to get up in a negligence claim against the NRL when they have that structure in place.

The reason the NFL were exposed and liable in the concussion case was because it was a risk they knew about but failed to educate the players about at all (and it was not an obvious risk that should have been apparent to the players). That was a classic breach of a duty of care and that's why it cost the NFL a bucketload.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If the League wanted longer suspensions for dangerous, we'd have them,
I understand your point Nelson, but the penalty has to be long to cut down on those tackles, including the head Highs, when that happens then the Coaches will be a lot harder on players who cause the team to play short.

In more concerned about the act itself, than the punishment. Stopping those tackles is the more important thing .the onus is on the tackler , …However....We all (including the League bosses ) come out with all the platitudes when these things happen, but it's forgotten after a while , except for the people affected.
Heavy penalties is the only thing that some ofthese players understand.
Jim Comans had the right idea, if players want to keep ignoring the rules. Hit them with suspensions that they won't forget.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Not very inspiring is it - "the wash up"

I'd prefer

the next step

that's the media for you

 

[NT_Tiger]

Teddy would have run Gagai down and prevented Qlds first try.
And he would have beaten everybody to the ball at the time of Jennings's no-try.

Moylan offered nothing. It's obvious, Tedesco for Origin.

Yes, but not this year. I want to see JT refuse to release Tedesco, the first NRL coach to put his club before a meaningless marketing concept. Wests Tigers should come first

Seriously….all this cr*p they go on with...."that's an origin run" or "that's an origin tackle." It's absolute rubbish.

Yay, the more people start to realise this and speak openly about it the sooner NRL will scrap the cr@p. I went to an 'origin' party for game 2\. When asked who I supported I said neither, I don't support this competition and would rather it didn't exist. Sowing the seeds.