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This was doing the rounds on WhatsApp earlier. How times change! Or not.
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At this point last season, Wests Tigers were also deeply invested in an NRL match in which they played no part.
Had Newcastle beaten Penrith in that round-26 encounter, the Tigers would have been wooden-spooners. This is what happens when your destiny is determined by others.
A year on and Tigers fans lent their support to the Cowboys on Saturday night – albeit for 80 minutes – as North Queensland beat Gold Coast to give the joint venture outfit everything to play for at Leichhardt Oval on Sunday.
The Tigers have exceeded all expectations this season.
Happy days are here again: Mitchell Moses celebrates his vital try against the Warriors with Dene Halatau.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
Much has happened since that fateful Panthers-Knights clash. Coach Jason Taylor has made good on his promise to drop Robbie Farah in one of those career-defining decisions that has been justified. The Tigers fullback is now the NSW fullback after James Tedesco found form and fitness at the same time. And the joint-venture outfit was in contention for something other than the spoon coming into the final round of the season.
Yet perhaps the greatest turnaround has occurred off the field. The sometimes antagonistic relationship between Wests and Balmain has matured to the point where the latter is still invited to participate, despite its inability to contribute financially. The membership tally is expected to tick over the 15,000 mark for the first time come kick-off on Sunday, a record rise for a club that had never broken five figures.
Game-day attendances, if the faithful pack Leichhardt, will represent the biggest increase of any Sydney club in 2016. Those numbers have helped contribute to this one: the Tigers are poised to be $700,000 net better off this year than last.
"Everything we are doing here at Wests Tigers is about operating ethically and honestly with the sole aim of winning back the trust of our fans and making them feel proud to be a part of the Wests Tigers family," chief executive Justin Pascoe said.
"For me, personally, especially coming from an AFL background, I couldn't be happier with what we've been able to achieve this year.
"But we're a long way from where I want it to be."
Like every other club, the Tigers have a strategic plan. "United team, shared dream" is the mantra for the three-year road map that will take the club into 2017. However, these are more than just statements scribbled on a page.
"When I came to the business a year ago, I personally believed the business wasn't mature enough or developed enough to look too far into the future," Pascoe said.
Which is why the strategic plan was broken up into 67 items. The progress of each is monitored via a traffic light system: red shows that work on that item is yet to commence, amber that it is in progress and green signifies it has been completed. By the end of October, there will be a green light next to 51 of the key objectives.
"We've got a process of following through on the next stage of the business," Pascoe said.
"We think this brand is enormous and the opportunity to be a power in the NRL is real. It will take continuous hard work and there's a team behind the scenes willing to do that.
"The board has been very supportive and progressive."
Those who committed to the journey at the club's lowest ebb have enjoyed it the most. The Tigers were in need of a major sponsor after Harry Triguboff finally lost patience. Brydens Lawyers are sponsors or membership partners of five NSW-based NRL clubs but for its principal, Lee Hagipantelis, filling the void left by long-time backer Meriton was as much an emotional as financial investment.
"I've been a Tigers supporter all my life," said Hagipantelis, who briefly flirted with the idea of buying a stake in the club.
"I've never made any sponsorship agreement or investment that I didn't gain some personal level of return from. It's not all about dollars and cents. For me to align my brand with the team that I follow is priceless.
"I'm extraordinarily happy with the performance of the team and the direction the club is going in."
Some of the credit must go to Taylor. The former Magpies halfback inherited a salary cap mess that would make Parramatta's "Gang of Five" wince. Regardless of where Farah plays next year, the Tigers will be paying a fair chunk of the NSW hooker's salary. While the issue should have been managed better, you can't argue with the results.
"He's evolved as an individual and a coach," Pascoe said of Taylor.
"That's showing on the field. It's a testament to him, it's a testament to the playing group and all the coaching staff."
Whether the Tigers achieve the most important goal set out in their strategic plan, making the top four by 2017, remains to be seen. That light is currently on amber. But there is an optimism now that wasn't evident when officials were sweating on the Panthers beating the Knights a year ago.
"I can't tell you the number of people who contact me on social media who think it is unbelievable how our team has transformed in a relatively short space of time," said Tigers chair Marina Go.
"What they've seen is the enthusiasm, passion and heart that comes from a culture that has been transformed.
"The job isn't done, but as a board, we are extremely pleased with where we find ourselves on the path of our strategic plan. It's exciting for us."
How cultural change brought Wests Tigers back from the brink
At almost the precisely the same point last season, the Wests Tigers were also deeply invested in an NRL match in which they played no part.
How cultural change brought Wests Tigers back from the brink
By Adrian Proszenko
Updated September 3, 2016 — 4.53pmfirst published at 4.45pmSave
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At this point last season, Wests Tigers were also deeply invested in an NRL match in which they played no part.
Had Newcastle beaten Penrith in that round-26 encounter, the Tigers would have been wooden-spooners. This is what happens when your destiny is determined by others.
A year on and Tigers fans lent their support to the Cowboys on Saturday night – albeit for 80 minutes – as North Queensland beat Gold Coast to give the joint venture outfit everything to play for at Leichhardt Oval on Sunday.
The Tigers have exceeded all expectations this season.
Happy days are here again: Mitchell Moses celebrates his vital try against the Warriors with Dene Halatau.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
Much has happened since that fateful Panthers-Knights clash. Coach Jason Taylor has made good on his promise to drop Robbie Farah in one of those career-defining decisions that has been justified. The Tigers fullback is now the NSW fullback after James Tedesco found form and fitness at the same time. And the joint-venture outfit was in contention for something other than the spoon coming into the final round of the season.
Yet perhaps the greatest turnaround has occurred off the field. The sometimes antagonistic relationship between Wests and Balmain has matured to the point where the latter is still invited to participate, despite its inability to contribute financially. The membership tally is expected to tick over the 15,000 mark for the first time come kick-off on Sunday, a record rise for a club that had never broken five figures.
Game-day attendances, if the faithful pack Leichhardt, will represent the biggest increase of any Sydney club in 2016. Those numbers have helped contribute to this one: the Tigers are poised to be $700,000 net better off this year than last.
"Everything we are doing here at Wests Tigers is about operating ethically and honestly with the sole aim of winning back the trust of our fans and making them feel proud to be a part of the Wests Tigers family," chief executive Justin Pascoe said.
"For me, personally, especially coming from an AFL background, I couldn't be happier with what we've been able to achieve this year.
"But we're a long way from where I want it to be."
Like every other club, the Tigers have a strategic plan. "United team, shared dream" is the mantra for the three-year road map that will take the club into 2017. However, these are more than just statements scribbled on a page.
"When I came to the business a year ago, I personally believed the business wasn't mature enough or developed enough to look too far into the future," Pascoe said.
Which is why the strategic plan was broken up into 67 items. The progress of each is monitored via a traffic light system: red shows that work on that item is yet to commence, amber that it is in progress and green signifies it has been completed. By the end of October, there will be a green light next to 51 of the key objectives.
"We've got a process of following through on the next stage of the business," Pascoe said.
"We think this brand is enormous and the opportunity to be a power in the NRL is real. It will take continuous hard work and there's a team behind the scenes willing to do that.
"The board has been very supportive and progressive."
Those who committed to the journey at the club's lowest ebb have enjoyed it the most. The Tigers were in need of a major sponsor after Harry Triguboff finally lost patience. Brydens Lawyers are sponsors or membership partners of five NSW-based NRL clubs but for its principal, Lee Hagipantelis, filling the void left by long-time backer Meriton was as much an emotional as financial investment.
"I've been a Tigers supporter all my life," said Hagipantelis, who briefly flirted with the idea of buying a stake in the club.
"I've never made any sponsorship agreement or investment that I didn't gain some personal level of return from. It's not all about dollars and cents. For me to align my brand with the team that I follow is priceless.
"I'm extraordinarily happy with the performance of the team and the direction the club is going in."
Some of the credit must go to Taylor. The former Magpies halfback inherited a salary cap mess that would make Parramatta's "Gang of Five" wince. Regardless of where Farah plays next year, the Tigers will be paying a fair chunk of the NSW hooker's salary. While the issue should have been managed better, you can't argue with the results.
"He's evolved as an individual and a coach," Pascoe said of Taylor.
"That's showing on the field. It's a testament to him, it's a testament to the playing group and all the coaching staff."
Whether the Tigers achieve the most important goal set out in their strategic plan, making the top four by 2017, remains to be seen. That light is currently on amber. But there is an optimism now that wasn't evident when officials were sweating on the Panthers beating the Knights a year ago.
"I can't tell you the number of people who contact me on social media who think it is unbelievable how our team has transformed in a relatively short space of time," said Tigers chair Marina Go.
"What they've seen is the enthusiasm, passion and heart that comes from a culture that has been transformed.
"The job isn't done, but as a board, we are extremely pleased with where we find ourselves on the path of our strategic plan. It's exciting for us."
stryker 69
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Quote from Pascoe after we finished with a mere 7 wins for the year and 14th place on the ladder.
Stupid Mexican dickhead…
GarryOwen
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We came 9th that year (2016) but your point is valid nevertheless
hot up there is it buddy.lol
tell Justine its 2022,does anyone know the were abouts of the panick button-This was doing the rounds on WhatsApp earlier. How times change! Or not.
How cultural change brought Wests Tigers back from the brink
At almost the precisely the same point last season, the Wests Tigers were also deeply invested in an NRL match in which they played no part.
How cultural change brought Wests Tigers back from the brink
By Adrian Proszenko
Updated September 3, 2016 — 4.53pmfirst published at 4.45pm
Save
Share
Normal text sizeLarger text sizeVery large text size
At this point last season, Wests Tigers were also deeply invested in an NRL match in which they played no part.
Had Newcastle beaten Penrith in that round-26 encounter, the Tigers would have been wooden-spooners. This is what happens when your destiny is determined by others.
A year on and Tigers fans lent their support to the Cowboys on Saturday night – albeit for 80 minutes – as North Queensland beat Gold Coast to give the joint venture outfit everything to play for at Leichhardt Oval on Sunday.
The Tigers have exceeded all expectations this season.
Happy days are here again: Mitchell Moses celebrates his vital try against the Warriors with Dene Halatau.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES
Much has happened since that fateful Panthers-Knights clash. Coach Jason Taylor has made good on his promise to drop Robbie Farah in one of those career-defining decisions that has been justified. The Tigers fullback is now the NSW fullback after James Tedesco found form and fitness at the same time. And the joint-venture outfit was in contention for something other than the spoon coming into the final round of the season.
Yet perhaps the greatest turnaround has occurred off the field. The sometimes antagonistic relationship between Wests and Balmain has matured to the point where the latter is still invited to participate, despite its inability to contribute financially. The membership tally is expected to tick over the 15,000 mark for the first time come kick-off on Sunday, a record rise for a club that had never broken five figures.
Game-day attendances, if the faithful pack Leichhardt, will represent the biggest increase of any Sydney club in 2016. Those numbers have helped contribute to this one: the Tigers are poised to be $700,000 net better off this year than last.
"Everything we are doing here at Wests Tigers is about operating ethically and honestly with the sole aim of winning back the trust of our fans and making them feel proud to be a part of the Wests Tigers family," chief executive Justin Pascoe said.
"For me, personally, especially coming from an AFL background, I couldn't be happier with what we've been able to achieve this year.
"But we're a long way from where I want it to be."
Like every other club, the Tigers have a strategic plan. "United team, shared dream" is the mantra for the three-year road map that will take the club into 2017. However, these are more than just statements scribbled on a page.
"When I came to the business a year ago, I personally believed the business wasn't mature enough or developed enough to look too far into the future," Pascoe said.
Which is why the strategic plan was broken up into 67 items. The progress of each is monitored via a traffic light system: red shows that work on that item is yet to commence, amber that it is in progress and green signifies it has been completed. By the end of October, there will be a green light next to 51 of the key objectives.
"We've got a process of following through on the next stage of the business," Pascoe said.
"We think this brand is enormous and the opportunity to be a power in the NRL is real. It will take continuous hard work and there's a team behind the scenes willing to do that.
"The board has been very supportive and progressive."
Those who committed to the journey at the club's lowest ebb have enjoyed it the most. The Tigers were in need of a major sponsor after Harry Triguboff finally lost patience. Brydens Lawyers are sponsors or membership partners of five NSW-based NRL clubs but for its principal, Lee Hagipantelis, filling the void left by long-time backer Meriton was as much an emotional as financial investment.
"I've been a Tigers supporter all my life," said Hagipantelis, who briefly flirted with the idea of buying a stake in the club.
"I've never made any sponsorship agreement or investment that I didn't gain some personal level of return from. It's not all about dollars and cents. For me to align my brand with the team that I follow is priceless.
"I'm extraordinarily happy with the performance of the team and the direction the club is going in."
Some of the credit must go to Taylor. The former Magpies halfback inherited a salary cap mess that would make Parramatta's "Gang of Five" wince. Regardless of where Farah plays next year, the Tigers will be paying a fair chunk of the NSW hooker's salary. While the issue should have been managed better, you can't argue with the results.
"He's evolved as an individual and a coach," Pascoe said of Taylor.
"That's showing on the field. It's a testament to him, it's a testament to the playing group and all the coaching staff."
Whether the Tigers achieve the most important goal set out in their strategic plan, making the top four by 2017, remains to be seen. That light is currently on amber. But there is an optimism now that wasn't evident when officials were sweating on the Panthers beating the Knights a year ago.
"I can't tell you the number of people who contact me on social media who think it is unbelievable how our team has transformed in a relatively short space of time," said Tigers chair Marina Go.
"What they've seen is the enthusiasm, passion and heart that comes from a culture that has been transformed.
"The job isn't done, but as a board, we are extremely pleased with where we find ourselves on the path of our strategic plan. It's exciting for us."
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Is This The Last Chance For Wests Tigers?
By MATTHEW GEDDES
AS Wests Tigers fans contemplate the end of another disastrous season, they may take solace in the return of Tim Sheens to the position of head coach, with Benji Marshall set to take over.
Sheens and Marshall brought a winning culture to the club, which culminated in grand final victory over North Queensland in 2005.
It’s been a long and bitter period of the Tigers since that glorious day. They have now gone a decade without making the finals and are likely to finish the 2022 season with the wooden spoon.
The first thing the new Tigers’ regime has to look at is the salary cap management.
For too long the club has paid overs for players, hoping to attract other stars to the club. It just hasn’t worked. Perhaps their most under-rated forward, Luke Garner, is off to Penrith next year. Garner should be as viewed as say Victor Radley or Liam Martin is now viewed. He almost certainly will be at Penrith.
Luke Brooks won the Dally M halfback of the year award a few years ago, which helped gain a pay increase.
It seems like forever that Brooks has been the scapegoat for the woes at the Tigers.
The return of Sheens and Marshall can’t just be seen as a nostalgic attempt to return to the very brief glory days of the Tigers.
It is seriously the last chance the ill-fated joint venture club has as being a viable franchise in the NRL.
Salary cap management must be the first point on the agenda. Every team gets the same amount but somehow Wests Tigers seem to fill their roster with journeymen and promising players. It hasn’t worked for 10 years.
The Tigers need to start thinking about how they make the finals within three seasons. Re-sign Adam Doueihi, work out what they want to do with Luke Brooks, and go from there.
Papali’i and Koroisau is a good start. But it’s only a start.
If The Tigers can’t get it right this time, I fear they may be swallowed up by Penrith.
The Panthers’ off-field club network is extensive and a Western Panthers team spreading from Penrith to Campbelltown would provide a greater catchment area for juniors, while also offsetting any inroads into the sporting market by the GWS Giants of the AFL, and the Western Sydney Warriors and Macarthur FC A-League teams.
A new Excellence Centre at Concord may be well and good for the Tigers but it may not help them find where their true identity lies.
Are they are an inner-city side still? Or are they a true western Sydney franchise that can extend beyond Campbelltown to Bargo and Picton.
Pick up fans that would otherwise support Canberra?
If they don’t have success under the ‘back to the future’ Sheens/Marshall regime, the decision may be made for them as the NRL looks for consolidation before future expansion.
Do you fear for our future lads?
The only thing I like about Sheens, Benji and Robbie coaching gigs is I genuinely believe they want us to succeed. They are passionate.
Some say on here it's all about them.
Well I think we have no choice but to believe and once again get on the train because our lives may depend on it. 🤔
By MATTHEW GEDDES
AS Wests Tigers fans contemplate the end of another disastrous season, they may take solace in the return of Tim Sheens to the position of head coach, with Benji Marshall set to take over.
Sheens and Marshall brought a winning culture to the club, which culminated in grand final victory over North Queensland in 2005.
It’s been a long and bitter period of the Tigers since that glorious day. They have now gone a decade without making the finals and are likely to finish the 2022 season with the wooden spoon.
The first thing the new Tigers’ regime has to look at is the salary cap management.
For too long the club has paid overs for players, hoping to attract other stars to the club. It just hasn’t worked. Perhaps their most under-rated forward, Luke Garner, is off to Penrith next year. Garner should be as viewed as say Victor Radley or Liam Martin is now viewed. He almost certainly will be at Penrith.
Luke Brooks won the Dally M halfback of the year award a few years ago, which helped gain a pay increase.
It seems like forever that Brooks has been the scapegoat for the woes at the Tigers.
The return of Sheens and Marshall can’t just be seen as a nostalgic attempt to return to the very brief glory days of the Tigers.
It is seriously the last chance the ill-fated joint venture club has as being a viable franchise in the NRL.
Salary cap management must be the first point on the agenda. Every team gets the same amount but somehow Wests Tigers seem to fill their roster with journeymen and promising players. It hasn’t worked for 10 years.
The Tigers need to start thinking about how they make the finals within three seasons. Re-sign Adam Doueihi, work out what they want to do with Luke Brooks, and go from there.
Papali’i and Koroisau is a good start. But it’s only a start.
If The Tigers can’t get it right this time, I fear they may be swallowed up by Penrith.
The Panthers’ off-field club network is extensive and a Western Panthers team spreading from Penrith to Campbelltown would provide a greater catchment area for juniors, while also offsetting any inroads into the sporting market by the GWS Giants of the AFL, and the Western Sydney Warriors and Macarthur FC A-League teams.
A new Excellence Centre at Concord may be well and good for the Tigers but it may not help them find where their true identity lies.
Are they are an inner-city side still? Or are they a true western Sydney franchise that can extend beyond Campbelltown to Bargo and Picton.
Pick up fans that would otherwise support Canberra?
If they don’t have success under the ‘back to the future’ Sheens/Marshall regime, the decision may be made for them as the NRL looks for consolidation before future expansion.
Do you fear for our future lads?
The only thing I like about Sheens, Benji and Robbie coaching gigs is I genuinely believe they want us to succeed. They are passionate.
Some say on here it's all about them.
Well I think we have no choice but to believe and once again get on the train because our lives may depend on it. 🤔
that cheered things up
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2016 We supplied Newcastle with their only win of the season, Parramatta had 12 points deducted . Note, our defence is still the same. Talk about trying to polish the proverbial.
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I think we are in a death spiral as a club. And there is no one currently at the club that can stop it.
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We'll see mate, We have to get behind the team and 🙏
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If the club keeps losing, fans and sponsors will fall off. And Wests Ashfield has lost interest in the football club before.
GarryOwen
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I like Garner, but this is some nonsense.
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"Failure is not the opposite of success, it is part of success.
"We will be back next season; another year older, another year bigger, another year more experienced, and another step better prepared.
See you all in 2023"
Taken from Swans coach John Longmire could quite easily apply to WT'S
"We will be back next season; another year older, another year bigger, another year more experienced, and another step better prepared.
See you all in 2023"
Taken from Swans coach John Longmire could quite easily apply to WT'S
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Can we offer Manly Sheens ...Marshall and Farah for Dessie ....please oh ....and the twin Turbos
BossHog
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Can we just swap our entire first grade team for their second stringers? Would improve the Tigers immensely.
Stevec
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As Winston said " success is not final ,failure is not fatal .It is the courage to continue that counts "
We sure know how to continue failure . LOL
BossHog
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Tigers are a 10th dan black belt of failure if thats the case.......or should I say 11 year black belt of failures. The Mr Miyagi Tigers.
