The WT Identity

Madge

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**The Tigers have lost their plot, and salvation lies in storytelling**

The West Tigers have no idea who they are.

My earliest memory of the Tigers is at a grand final party and my Dad screaming out “why?” Benny had just hit the crossbar in 1989. I was four.

After 30 years of watching the Tigers in their different iterations - a lifespan that included my own failed attempt at professional sport and a period where I’ve set up an organisation that provides a pathway for marginalised youth and those inside the margins to come together to build more equality - I’ve sat on an empty hill at Leichhardt, soaking in the elders’ conversations and watched Laurie Nicholls throw his punches.


As Balmain, even in the worst days we had something. We had a link to a town that founded the Labor Party; a town that was changing, yes, but had roots. Our team were battlers and that meant something.

It meant hoping against the odds, knowing your team didn’t have the same cash as Manly but, when you knocked over the Silvertails in the opening round, every point meant something.


Then Super League panic hit and what a shitfight it was, we buckled and were suddenly the Sydney Tigers. We had purple in our socks, an aged Garry Jack returned and we were lost.

Souths said ‘no, not us, we’d rather leave this party than merge and have our roots ripped apart’.

The Tigers have bent and borrowed identities. In 2005, we had the luck of youth on our side, we were entertainers and the kids had a point to prove. We can play in the big time, they said. Watch us defy your rules, your structures, watch us play.


And isn’t that meaning of it all - to play?

Having worked with youngsters who have felt lost I’ve found the art of change lies in story, but today’s Tigers haven’t found their modern story, their identity, there is no feeling of any history, and the fact that they are broadcasting their every living moment shows how lost the storytellers are in the joint.

It’s why the team plays well one week, or for moments, and then look lost the next. They are mirroring the shortsightedness of the stories they are told.


What’s the vision of this club? To make the finals? That’s not a vision, that’s an outcome. This ain’t a business. At their heart sporting teams bring hope to people. They help us escape our individual struggles and feel a sense of union, of mission. We ride out the pain of our weeks in every tackle, and struggle, in every battle for a blade of grass.

Steve Waugh knew this when he reminded his players their job was to entertain the crowd. Richie McCaw and Dan Carter knew this when they cleaned up the sheds after every game. Sam Kerr and company have a story. Patty Mills and the Boomers have a story.

The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.
The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.

Maybe it’s beyond the club’s story, maybe the soul started to run away when Darling Street went beige, changing the town hall hotel into a gym, the milk bar into a lingerie store and the corner stores into whatever lycra sells the most. What’s to fight for in an earth-toned wilderness swallowing Balmain with money like the darkness eating the heart of Fantasia?

The hope is in the west. It’s bigger than a story of a football club, it’s at the heart of a story of Australia.

Can we be more complex, can we have different ways of communicating, complex stories in different languages to the ones we’ve known since colonisation?

Memo to the Tigers: rip up the endless cycles of strat plans, Facebook marketing meetings and commissioning reality TV shows. You’ve lost the plot. Look up the Yellow Pages and find yourselves a storyteller asap - ideally someone from the west who has some idea what the modern Australian narrative actually is.


The Tigers don’t need another coach and they don’t need more players. They need the story to be told of who they are, a story of what it means for two battling original clubs, with people from working class suburbs coming together.

They and the modern day Labor Party are losing the story, so people from working class communities vote Liberal, or James Tedesco goes to the Roosters and becomes their captain.

If you stand for something bigger than money, something more important than yourselves - then you have something to fight for.

Jack Manning Bancroft is the Founder & Head of Design at AIME, a global network making unlikely connections between marginalised youth and those in the margins to create a fairer world. He has been a Tigers fan for 36 years.
 
Yeh bruh our identity is gone. I mean like why we playing 3 balmain, 3 Cambo and then 4 at Bankwest. We need a home ground I know it’s farfectched but I think the club should back Liverpool. It’s roughly in the middle and our growth area is southwest. It has a station connecting to cambo and toward leichardt area at central and concord. We could really make it our own if we do share with wsw or MacArthur fc . The stadium needs to be ours though so know bulldogs sharing. I know Liverpool is surrounded by dogs territory but if we can just take over Liverpool we can make it our own
Somewhat like south’s have done with homebush
 
@madge said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458213) said:
**The Tigers have lost their plot, and salvation lies in storytelling**

The West Tigers have no idea who they are.

My earliest memory of the Tigers is at a grand final party and my Dad screaming out “why?” Benny had just hit the crossbar in 1989. I was four.

After 30 years of watching the Tigers in their different iterations - a lifespan that included my own failed attempt at professional sport and a period where I’ve set up an organisation that provides a pathway for marginalised youth and those inside the margins to come together to build more equality - I’ve sat on an empty hill at Leichhardt, soaking in the elders’ conversations and watched Laurie Nicholls throw his punches.


As Balmain, even in the worst days we had something. We had a link to a town that founded the Labor Party; a town that was changing, yes, but had roots. Our team were battlers and that meant something.

It meant hoping against the odds, knowing your team didn’t have the same cash as Manly but, when you knocked over the Silvertails in the opening round, every point meant something.


Then Super League panic hit and what a shitfight it was, we buckled and were suddenly the Sydney Tigers. We had purple in our socks, an aged Garry Jack returned and we were lost.

Souths said ‘no, not us, we’d rather leave this party than merge and have our roots ripped apart’.

The Tigers have bent and borrowed identities. In 2005, we had the luck of youth on our side, we were entertainers and the kids had a point to prove. We can play in the big time, they said. Watch us defy your rules, your structures, watch us play.


And isn’t that meaning of it all - to play?

Having worked with youngsters who have felt lost I’ve found the art of change lies in story, but today’s Tigers haven’t found their modern story, their identity, there is no feeling of any history, and the fact that they are broadcasting their every living moment shows how lost the storytellers are in the joint.

It’s why the team plays well one week, or for moments, and then look lost the next. They are mirroring the shortsightedness of the stories they are told.


What’s the vision of this club? To make the finals? That’s not a vision, that’s an outcome. This ain’t a business. At their heart sporting teams bring hope to people. They help us escape our individual struggles and feel a sense of union, of mission. We ride out the pain of our weeks in every tackle, and struggle, in every battle for a blade of grass.

Steve Waugh knew this when he reminded his players their job was to entertain the crowd. Richie McCaw and Dan Carter knew this when they cleaned up the sheds after every game. Sam Kerr and company have a story. Patty Mills and the Boomers have a story.

The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.
The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.

Maybe it’s beyond the club’s story, maybe the soul started to run away when Darling Street went beige, changing the town hall hotel into a gym, the milk bar into a lingerie store and the corner stores into whatever lycra sells the most. What’s to fight for in an earth-toned wilderness swallowing Balmain with money like the darkness eating the heart of Fantasia?

The hope is in the west. It’s bigger than a story of a football club, it’s at the heart of a story of Australia.

Can we be more complex, can we have different ways of communicating, complex stories in different languages to the ones we’ve known since colonisation?

Memo to the Tigers: rip up the endless cycles of strat plans, Facebook marketing meetings and commissioning reality TV shows. You’ve lost the plot. Look up the Yellow Pages and find yourselves a storyteller asap - ideally someone from the west who has some idea what the modern Australian narrative actually is.


The Tigers don’t need another coach and they don’t need more players. They need the story to be told of who they are, a story of what it means for two battling original clubs, with people from working class suburbs coming together.

They and the modern day Labor Party are losing the story, so people from working class communities vote Liberal, or James Tedesco goes to the Roosters and becomes their captain.

If you stand for something bigger than money, something more important than yourselves - then you have something to fight for.

Jack Manning Bancroft is the Founder & Head of Design at AIME, a global network making unlikely connections between marginalised youth and those in the margins to create a fairer world. He has been a Tigers fan for 36 years.

Send a copy to Pasco .....He and Lee might suddenly realise what we need asap.....
 
@madge said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458213) said:
**The Tigers have lost their plot, and salvation lies in storytelling**

The West Tigers have no idea who they are.

My earliest memory of the Tigers is at a grand final party and my Dad screaming out “why?” Benny had just hit the crossbar in 1989. I was four.

After 30 years of watching the Tigers in their different iterations - a lifespan that included my own failed attempt at professional sport and a period where I’ve set up an organisation that provides a pathway for marginalised youth and those inside the margins to come together to build more equality - I’ve sat on an empty hill at Leichhardt, soaking in the elders’ conversations and watched Laurie Nicholls throw his punches.


As Balmain, even in the worst days we had something. We had a link to a town that founded the Labor Party; a town that was changing, yes, but had roots. Our team were battlers and that meant something.

It meant hoping against the odds, knowing your team didn’t have the same cash as Manly but, when you knocked over the Silvertails in the opening round, every point meant something.


Then Super League panic hit and what a shitfight it was, we buckled and were suddenly the Sydney Tigers. We had purple in our socks, an aged Garry Jack returned and we were lost.

Souths said ‘no, not us, we’d rather leave this party than merge and have our roots ripped apart’.

The Tigers have bent and borrowed identities. In 2005, we had the luck of youth on our side, we were entertainers and the kids had a point to prove. We can play in the big time, they said. Watch us defy your rules, your structures, watch us play.


And isn’t that meaning of it all - to play?

Having worked with youngsters who have felt lost I’ve found the art of change lies in story, but today’s Tigers haven’t found their modern story, their identity, there is no feeling of any history, and the fact that they are broadcasting their every living moment shows how lost the storytellers are in the joint.

It’s why the team plays well one week, or for moments, and then look lost the next. They are mirroring the shortsightedness of the stories they are told.


What’s the vision of this club? To make the finals? That’s not a vision, that’s an outcome. This ain’t a business. At their heart sporting teams bring hope to people. They help us escape our individual struggles and feel a sense of union, of mission. We ride out the pain of our weeks in every tackle, and struggle, in every battle for a blade of grass.

Steve Waugh knew this when he reminded his players their job was to entertain the crowd. Richie McCaw and Dan Carter knew this when they cleaned up the sheds after every game. Sam Kerr and company have a story. Patty Mills and the Boomers have a story.

The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.
The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.

Maybe it’s beyond the club’s story, maybe the soul started to run away when Darling Street went beige, changing the town hall hotel into a gym, the milk bar into a lingerie store and the corner stores into whatever lycra sells the most. What’s to fight for in an earth-toned wilderness swallowing Balmain with money like the darkness eating the heart of Fantasia?

The hope is in the west. It’s bigger than a story of a football club, it’s at the heart of a story of Australia.

Can we be more complex, can we have different ways of communicating, complex stories in different languages to the ones we’ve known since colonisation?

Memo to the Tigers: rip up the endless cycles of strat plans, Facebook marketing meetings and commissioning reality TV shows. You’ve lost the plot. Look up the Yellow Pages and find yourselves a storyteller asap - ideally someone from the west who has some idea what the modern Australian narrative actually is.


The Tigers don’t need another coach and they don’t need more players. They need the story to be told of who they are, a story of what it means for two battling original clubs, with people from working class suburbs coming together.

They and the modern day Labor Party are losing the story, so people from working class communities vote Liberal, or James Tedesco goes to the Roosters and becomes their captain.

If you stand for something bigger than money, something more important than yourselves - then you have something to fight for.

Jack Manning Bancroft is the Founder & Head of Design at AIME, a global network making unlikely connections between marginalised youth and those in the margins to create a fairer world. He has been a Tigers fan for 36 years.

Balmain anyone? I hate these crap stories. To me it shows they are not really Wests Tigers fans but long for Balmain.
 
@madge said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458213) said:
**The Tigers have lost their plot, and salvation lies in storytelling**

The West Tigers have no idea who they are.

My earliest memory of the Tigers is at a grand final party and my Dad screaming out “why?” Benny had just hit the crossbar in 1989. I was four.

After 30 years of watching the Tigers in their different iterations - a lifespan that included my own failed attempt at professional sport and a period where I’ve set up an organisation that provides a pathway for marginalised youth and those inside the margins to come together to build more equality - I’ve sat on an empty hill at Leichhardt, soaking in the elders’ conversations and watched Laurie Nicholls throw his punches.


As Balmain, even in the worst days we had something. We had a link to a town that founded the Labor Party; a town that was changing, yes, but had roots. Our team were battlers and that meant something.

It meant hoping against the odds, knowing your team didn’t have the same cash as Manly but, when you knocked over the Silvertails in the opening round, every point meant something.


Then Super League panic hit and what a shitfight it was, we buckled and were suddenly the Sydney Tigers. We had purple in our socks, an aged Garry Jack returned and we were lost.

Souths said ‘no, not us, we’d rather leave this party than merge and have our roots ripped apart’.

The Tigers have bent and borrowed identities. In 2005, we had the luck of youth on our side, we were entertainers and the kids had a point to prove. We can play in the big time, they said. Watch us defy your rules, your structures, watch us play.


And isn’t that meaning of it all - to play?

Having worked with youngsters who have felt lost I’ve found the art of change lies in story, but today’s Tigers haven’t found their modern story, their identity, there is no feeling of any history, and the fact that they are broadcasting their every living moment shows how lost the storytellers are in the joint.

It’s why the team plays well one week, or for moments, and then look lost the next. They are mirroring the shortsightedness of the stories they are told.


What’s the vision of this club? To make the finals? That’s not a vision, that’s an outcome. This ain’t a business. At their heart sporting teams bring hope to people. They help us escape our individual struggles and feel a sense of union, of mission. We ride out the pain of our weeks in every tackle, and struggle, in every battle for a blade of grass.

Steve Waugh knew this when he reminded his players their job was to entertain the crowd. Richie McCaw and Dan Carter knew this when they cleaned up the sheds after every game. Sam Kerr and company have a story. Patty Mills and the Boomers have a story.

The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.
The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.

Maybe it’s beyond the club’s story, maybe the soul started to run away when Darling Street went beige, changing the town hall hotel into a gym, the milk bar into a lingerie store and the corner stores into whatever lycra sells the most. What’s to fight for in an earth-toned wilderness swallowing Balmain with money like the darkness eating the heart of Fantasia?

The hope is in the west. It’s bigger than a story of a football club, it’s at the heart of a story of Australia.

Can we be more complex, can we have different ways of communicating, complex stories in different languages to the ones we’ve known since colonisation?

Memo to the Tigers: rip up the endless cycles of strat plans, Facebook marketing meetings and commissioning reality TV shows. You’ve lost the plot. Look up the Yellow Pages and find yourselves a storyteller asap - ideally someone from the west who has some idea what the modern Australian narrative actually is.


The Tigers don’t need another coach and they don’t need more players. They need the story to be told of who they are, a story of what it means for two battling original clubs, with people from working class suburbs coming together.

They and the modern day Labor Party are losing the story, so people from working class communities vote Liberal, or James Tedesco goes to the Roosters and becomes their captain.

If you stand for something bigger than money, something more important than yourselves - then you have something to fight for.

Jack Manning Bancroft is the Founder & Head of Design at AIME, a global network making unlikely connections between marginalised youth and those in the margins to create a fairer world. He has been a Tigers fan for 36 years.

I found this pretty lame.

Casual fan stuck in the balmain days.

More cringe worthy news.
 
Good read my brother.
Thanks for writing it and posting it.

The issue starts at the top.
The guys in charge don't have any passion about the club.

They're rejects from Penrith or Roosters and even Madge, his first true love- Souths.

They're all about sales and making sure the company is profitable and could care less about identity and on field performances.

Long gone are the days of Blocker Roach, Benny Elias and more recently Farah and Marshall.

Our players don't even wear the jersey with pride.

The only passion in this club comes from us fans.
Guys like @cochise and @hobbo1

It's dire times.
We are not successful as far as I'm concerned.
Even if we sell 10k hats a year.

Something needs to give.
 
@madge said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458213) said:
**The Tigers have lost their plot, and salvation lies in storytelling**

The West Tigers have no idea who they are.

My earliest memory of the Tigers is at a grand final party and my Dad screaming out “why?” Benny had just hit the crossbar in 1989. I was four.

After 30 years of watching the Tigers in their different iterations - a lifespan that included my own failed attempt at professional sport and a period where I’ve set up an organisation that provides a pathway for marginalised youth and those inside the margins to come together to build more equality - I’ve sat on an empty hill at Leichhardt, soaking in the elders’ conversations and watched Laurie Nicholls throw his punches.


As Balmain, even in the worst days we had something. We had a link to a town that founded the Labor Party; a town that was changing, yes, but had roots. Our team were battlers and that meant something.

It meant hoping against the odds, knowing your team didn’t have the same cash as Manly but, when you knocked over the Silvertails in the opening round, every point meant something.


Then Super League panic hit and what a shitfight it was, we buckled and were suddenly the Sydney Tigers. We had purple in our socks, an aged Garry Jack returned and we were lost.

Souths said ‘no, not us, we’d rather leave this party than merge and have our roots ripped apart’.

The Tigers have bent and borrowed identities. In 2005, we had the luck of youth on our side, we were entertainers and the kids had a point to prove. We can play in the big time, they said. Watch us defy your rules, your structures, watch us play.


And isn’t that meaning of it all - to play?

Having worked with youngsters who have felt lost I’ve found the art of change lies in story, but today’s Tigers haven’t found their modern story, their identity, there is no feeling of any history, and the fact that they are broadcasting their every living moment shows how lost the storytellers are in the joint.

It’s why the team plays well one week, or for moments, and then look lost the next. They are mirroring the shortsightedness of the stories they are told.


What’s the vision of this club? To make the finals? That’s not a vision, that’s an outcome. This ain’t a business. At their heart sporting teams bring hope to people. They help us escape our individual struggles and feel a sense of union, of mission. We ride out the pain of our weeks in every tackle, and struggle, in every battle for a blade of grass.

Steve Waugh knew this when he reminded his players their job was to entertain the crowd. Richie McCaw and Dan Carter knew this when they cleaned up the sheds after every game. Sam Kerr and company have a story. Patty Mills and the Boomers have a story.

The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.
The Laurie Nichols plaque in the tunnel at Leichhardt Oval.

Maybe it’s beyond the club’s story, maybe the soul started to run away when Darling Street went beige, changing the town hall hotel into a gym, the milk bar into a lingerie store and the corner stores into whatever lycra sells the most. What’s to fight for in an earth-toned wilderness swallowing Balmain with money like the darkness eating the heart of Fantasia?

The hope is in the west. It’s bigger than a story of a football club, it’s at the heart of a story of Australia.

Can we be more complex, can we have different ways of communicating, complex stories in different languages to the ones we’ve known since colonisation?

Memo to the Tigers: rip up the endless cycles of strat plans, Facebook marketing meetings and commissioning reality TV shows. You’ve lost the plot. Look up the Yellow Pages and find yourselves a storyteller asap - ideally someone from the west who has some idea what the modern Australian narrative actually is.


The Tigers don’t need another coach and they don’t need more players. They need the story to be told of who they are, a story of what it means for two battling original clubs, with people from working class suburbs coming together.

They and the modern day Labor Party are losing the story, so people from working class communities vote Liberal, or James Tedesco goes to the Roosters and becomes their captain.

If you stand for something bigger than money, something more important than yourselves - then you have something to fight for.

Jack Manning Bancroft is the Founder & Head of Design at AIME, a global network making unlikely connections between marginalised youth and those in the margins to create a fairer world. He has been a Tigers fan for 36 years.

Yeah, but nah - leave the Labor Politics out of it. Balmain went Green basket weavers not Liberal - do some research next time.
 
That stuff rings a bell with me but not with the players of today. Hope he enjoyed writing it because he's obviously passionate but, other than making him feel good, it's a waste of effort. Around half today's players are Polynesian in origin and they don't relate to this stuff. The others are from all over the place and it just won't resonate with them.
 
We won more games in Queensland this year than at home: 4 in QLD 2 away (Newcastle & Wollongong) & 2 at home (Leichhardt & Bankwest). So much for needing a settled home ground.
 
thanks for that story about Balmain Tigers and rugby union players, can we talk about Wests Tigers now? sort out the stadium situation and build the side around the core group of players coming through and we'll have our identity.
 
As a team, I don't think you can just "have an identity".. you form the team, play the way the coach and the team likes to play and then once you're successful over a long period of time- that style becomes your and the club's identity.
 
@merlot said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458269) said:
surely it starts with trust in each other,havent seen that 4 a while

I trust you.

Even though you won't share your location.

🥷
 
@tig_prmz said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458266) said:
As a team, I don't think you can just "have an identity".. you form the team, play the way the coach and the team likes to play and then once you're successful over a long period of time- that style becomes your and the club's identity.

The team plays, the club has... Or is meant to have the identity

I liked it.... The guy has a clue about identity
 
@innsaneink said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458281) said:
@tig_prmz said in [The WT Identity](/post/1458266) said:
As a team, I don't think you can just "have an identity".. you form the team, play the way the coach and the team likes to play and then once you're successful over a long period of time- that style becomes your and the club's identity.

The team plays, the club has... Or is meant to have the identity

I liked it.... The **guy** has a clue about identity

Madge?
 
Do people even read this stuff before commenting?
Sure, the bloke was a Balmain supporter.
If you bothered reading further you’ll see he thinks we need new life from the working class west to create an identity.
Personally I disagree, and don’t think we need to be politicised.
Each to their own, he has shared his opinion.
 
Mr Sheens job,from all the gossip on here about the youngin's coming throught [on podcast]there is a winning culture ,identity in them allready,happy days
 

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