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[Geo]

Wait. what....If you don't believe in God you wont go to heaven and live for eternity..?

That God seems pretty discriminatory..

what is discriminatory? if you don't believe in God anyways so why would it bother you if you don't live in heaven and live for eternity 🙂

Because if there is...Isn't that excluding....?

 

[Madge]

@TIGER um no cos we don’t live in the Old Testament ? How is that even a valid question?

 

[Bula]

I gave up religion for Lent in 1992. Gained a few bad habits but haven't gone blind yet.

 

[cochise]

I really believe there should be a Royal Commission into the behaviour of the religious organisation in this country!

 

[jadtiger]

I really believe there should be a Royal Commission into the behaviour of the religious organisation in this country!

Not going to happen under our current holy clapper scomo

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?

Doubt it

 

[Tigerboy]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?


Doubt it

You doubt all of the literature and scriptures invented by humans detailing this ‘God’, or you doubt that God exists? I doubt you’re even human if you don’t believe somethin’

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Probably because those who don't believe in a God belittle those who do by basically stating they're idiots.
Those who believe are marked as rational, logical and full of good old common sense.
What does that infer they consider the ones who do?
**The one thing these people can't do, however, is totally disprove the idea.**
Each to their own.
As long as people are respectful of each each others views without denigrating them there shouldn't be a problem.

**The one thing these people can't do, however, is totally disprove the idea.**

Truth matters.

**The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim**, not the person saying i dont believe you because you have failed to provide a single piece of non anecdotal evidence. **Logic 101.**

I think you've got it the wrong way around.
If you want to debunk someone's belief then you should be able to prove why they're wrong.
Now that's Logic 101.
I'm no bible basher, nor do I attend church ... but I can't think of a way to categorically disprove their may be a God.
Can you?

So using your logic
If I claim that unicorns, fairies, goblins, elves exist and you can't prove they don't, then you must believe that they do?

You must believe in a hell of a lot of crap if that's how you work, lots of things can't be proven to not exist.

Do you agree with this statement?
The right time to believe something exists is when sufficient evidence is presented to warrant belief in it, not a second before.

Fair enough then.
Can you prove to me what caused the big bang that you obviously believe in and what was in existence prior to that?

I don't "believe in" the big bang, I accept that it's currently the best explanation.

I have no idea what "caused" it or even if it was "caused" at all, and neither does anybody else on the planet.

The big bang is a theory (or a hypothesis if you feel there isn't enough tested evidence.) Scientists don't claim to know definitively how the universe progressed to its current state, that's currently the difference between the scientific method and theology.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?


Doubt it


You doubt all of the literature and scriptures invented by humans detailing this ‘God’, or you doubt that God exists? I doubt you’re even human if you don’t believe somethin’

I think you got me wrong tigerboy. I was saying that I doubt that God is a human invention, i very much believe in God’s existence and nothing will convince me otherwise.

 

[cochise]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?


Doubt it


You doubt all of the literature and scriptures invented by humans detailing this ‘God’, or you doubt that God exists? I doubt you’re even human if you don’t believe somethin’


I think you got me wrong tigerboy. I was saying that I doubt that God is a human invention, i very much believe in God’s existence and nothing will convince me otherwise.

I strongly doubt the existence of God, I believe he his very much a creation of man, create to keep the "meek" in their place!

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?


Doubt it


You doubt all of the literature and scriptures invented by humans detailing this ‘God’, or you doubt that God exists? I doubt you’re even human if you don’t believe somethin’


I think you got me wrong tigerboy. I was saying that I doubt that God is a human invention, i very much believe in God’s existence and nothing will convince me otherwise.

I strongly doubt the existence of God, I believe he his very much a creation of man, create to keep the "meek" in their place!

I respect your viewpoint Cochise, even if I don’t agree with it. I hope you will afford me the same.

I am far from being a meek person though, I still have a lot to learn ?

 

[cochise]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?


Doubt it


You doubt all of the literature and scriptures invented by humans detailing this ‘God’, or you doubt that God exists? I doubt you’re even human if you don’t believe somethin’


I think you got me wrong tigerboy. I was saying that I doubt that God is a human invention, i very much believe in God’s existence and nothing will convince me otherwise.

I strongly doubt the existence of God, I believe he his very much a creation of man, create to keep the "meek" in their place!


I respect your viewpoint Cochise, even if I don’t agree with it. I hope you will afford me the same.

I am far from being a meek person though, I still have a lot to learn ?

I actually do not have a problem with religious people, unless they are trying to push their beliefs onto me. My wife is actually very religious and she is passing that onto my daughter and I involve myself in those conversations. I do have major issues with the religious institutions we have in this country, especially the catholic church!

Speaking of people pushing religious beliefs onto others, during the same sex marriage debate I had a work colleague who was going on a rant against same sex marriage. She pulled out the "it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" I responded that "Poor Adam didn't have many options considering they were the only 2 people on Earth, maybe if there was a Steve than Adam may have chosen Steve" She didn't like that.

 

[Harvey]

A question for the true believers.

Your partner announces that she is pregnant. When the first ultrasound comes back, it shows that the child was conceived while you were away for work for a month. When you confront your partner they explain that they had a vision of a mystical deity who told them that they are blessed and would be the modern day virgin Mary delivering the second coming of Jesus that would save the world.

What do you do:
a) notify the church of this upcoming word changing event and start preparing the house for the new child (given the recent movie remakes would likely be a daughter) of god that will save the world
b) leave the relationship in the belief that that your partner cheated on you and your are being asked to raise another mans child
c) smile and wave and wait for the birth before organising a DNA test
d) accept the child and pass them off as your own, hoping for their world changing abilities to rise to the fore while everyone that knows you points out the generic traits that could not have possibly come from you or your partner

I will tell you that Joseph was a better man that I could ever be.

I think Sam Kinison sums it up well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyw-Wn9N5vI

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?


Doubt it


You doubt all of the literature and scriptures invented by humans detailing this ‘God’, or you doubt that God exists? I doubt you’re even human if you don’t believe somethin’


I think you got me wrong tigerboy. I was saying that I doubt that God is a human invention, i very much believe in God’s existence and nothing will convince me otherwise.

I strongly doubt the existence of God, I believe he his very much a creation of man, create to keep the "meek" in their place!


I respect your viewpoint Cochise, even if I don’t agree with it. I hope you will afford me the same.

I am far from being a meek person though, I still have a lot to learn ?

I actually do not have a problem with religious people, unless they are trying to push their beliefs onto me. My wife is actually very religious and she is passing that onto my daughter and I involve myself in those conversations. **I do have major issues with the religious institutions we have in this country, especially the catholic church!**

Speaking of people pushing religious beliefs onto others, during the same sex marriage debate I had a work colleague who was going on a rant against same sex marriage. She pulled out the "it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" I responded that "Poor Adam didn't have many options considering they were the only 2 people on Earth, maybe if there was a Steve than Adam may have chosen Steve" She didn't like that.

As do I, not just in this country either. Religion is definitely a human invention!

 

[cochise]

Its because you cant argue/debate/discus religion on a forum like this. One side is rational, logical and use common sense, the other side is religious.

Because of intolerant, obnoxious posters like this one.
But don't tell him HE'S the intolerant one !!!!!

I can feel this thread will be closed soon lol


I’m praying that that is the case

But who to?

I pray to MY god

I am MY god!


That’s a worry ?

Only if you don't believe in me!


Nothing personal, but the day I start regarding human beings as God is the day I need to leave this earth ?

At least it can be shown that I exist.


Are you sure? I’ve never seen you ?

Though you are communicating with me, unless I'm a figment of your imagination!

You could be a robot or a computer for all I know!

So could God!


Nah, computers and robots are definitely human inventions.

And God isn't?


Doubt it


You doubt all of the literature and scriptures invented by humans detailing this ‘God’, or you doubt that God exists? I doubt you’re even human if you don’t believe somethin’


I think you got me wrong tigerboy. I was saying that I doubt that God is a human invention, i very much believe in God’s existence and nothing will convince me otherwise.

I strongly doubt the existence of God, I believe he his very much a creation of man, create to keep the "meek" in their place!


I respect your viewpoint Cochise, even if I don’t agree with it. I hope you will afford me the same.

I am far from being a meek person though, I still have a lot to learn ?

I actually do not have a problem with religious people, unless they are trying to push their beliefs onto me. My wife is actually very religious and she is passing that onto my daughter and I involve myself in those conversations. **I do have major issues with the religious institutions we have in this country, especially the catholic church!**

Speaking of people pushing religious beliefs onto others, during the same sex marriage debate I had a work colleague who was going on a rant against same sex marriage. She pulled out the "it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" I responded that "Poor Adam didn't have many options considering they were the only 2 people on Earth, maybe if there was a Steve than Adam may have chosen Steve" She didn't like that.

As do I, not just in this country either. Religion is definitely a human invention!

Agreed 100% mate, I actually see organised religion as turning a lot of people away who would have been believers. I am not one of those people as I am as strong in my belief that god is a man made construct as you are in the opposite.

I would actually be more likely to believe that we live in the Matrix than we were created by some divine being!

 

[JD Tiger]

@cochise I'm with you there. Sometimes I think at some point, something had to come from nothing, something had to create everything at some point right? But what then created that creator? So then I start thinking, maybe I'm looking at this wrong, maybe time doesn't work like that, maybe it didn't necessarily have to begin like that, maybe however it did happen or however it works is just beyond my understanding... then usually I get distracted by the babies crying, or kids or something or other.

However it happened, or is happening, or whatever, one thing I think I can be certain of, is that it obviously is beyond my understanding.

 

[happy_tiger]

So many claim not to believe in a God , yet every week pray we win ......... go figure

Prayer is like masterbation, it does nothing for the person being thought of. It only makes the person doing it feel better

People have superstitions whatever it may be ...no different

Do you sit in the same lounge chair at home when you watch the Tigers play .....drink from the same coffee cup , use the same stubby cooler .....etc etc etc

Only have one lounge chair where I watch from so yes, but not because of superstition.
Don't drink coffee
Mostly use my Tigers stubby cooler because....well I love it, not because of superstition.
And I've never prayed for a Tigers win because prayer has the same statistical chance as no prayer or random chance.

Roll a dice a hundred times and pray for a six, write down how many sixes you got.
Roll it again and don't pray, write down how many sixes.

Superstition ain't the way

Your superstitious ...why not use any stubby cooler

What's the difference between superstition and religion .......

I think there comes a point when you can bail out on your suspicions, religion is finality... and people (AS A WHOLE, in this day ‘n age) just cannot accept that. Tbh.

I think if you live a life that you can be proud of without compromising yourself or others around you whatever the higher presence may be will accept you

I don't think he / she would care if you don't barrack for the right religion to be honest

Well you obviously haven't read any holy books

I have but I don't take things literally like others do

 

[Russell]

Let me get this straight.

"Believers" believe God created everything.

"Non Believers" believe that everything just happened by itself.

Is that correct?

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Let me get this straight.

"Believers" believe God created everything.

"Non Believers" believe that everything just happened by itself.

Is that correct?

I believe so 😊

 

[Tigerboy]

Let me get this straight.

"Believers" believe God created everything.

"Non Believers" believe that everything just happened by itself.

Is that correct?


I believe so ?

That’s correct.