Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap

There would be alot to cover off behind the scenes on this deal

- salary cap
- player signed to a club, playing for another and playing against signed club
- insurance - what if player gets badly injured
- guarantees/conditions - player must play x games/mins/start
- bonus player is entitled
- rpla given they have been anti transfers
- if flood gates open how to manage that
- can this happen midseason or is there a loan window?

Alot of mechanics for this, it’s the first case and I’m glad the nrl are taking time to think through it.

I hope it doesn’t open the flood gates midseason swaps etc and if the nrl was smart they would have a loan transfer week at start of season & another during SOO.

Be some good positive interest & could lay the foundation for something bigger to come eventually
 
@Kazoo-Kid said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111491) said:
Giving my love to both parties on this deal again. Can't wait to see Grant in the NRL. Been waiting for him to get a crack at the Storm. The fact he's gonna be doing it for us is salivating.

Bellamy was smart to re-sign Grant recently for a further 3 years in preparation for the “loan” deal.
I hope we’re not dumb enough to send Momo down there unsigned beyond 2020 otherwise we have no bargaining chip and Bellamy will grab Momo beyond 2020 and also have Grant back in his stable.
Hopefully this swap deal is all about getting JAC here next year, we can always release Momo early to the Storm next year should he work out for them down there, however we must take the necessary insurance steps to ensure he’s not a free agent beyond his swap tenure at the Storm.
Goal kicking centres don’t grow on trees.
I hope Bellamy”s intentions are not sinister and surely we covering ourselves appropriately.
 
@TonyTiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111527) said:
@Kazoo-Kid said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111491) said:
Giving my love to both parties on this deal again. Can't wait to see Grant in the NRL. Been waiting for him to get a crack at the Storm. The fact he's gonna be doing it for us is salivating.

Bellamy was smart to re-sign Grant recently for a further 3 years in preparation for the “loan” deal.
I hope we’re not dumb enough to send Momo down there unsigned beyond 2020 otherwise we have no bargaining chip and Bellamy will grab Momo beyond 2020 and also have Grant back in his stable.
Hopefully this swap deal is all about getting JAC here next year, we can always release Momo early to the Storm next year should he work out for them down there, however we must take the necessary insurance steps to ensure he’s not a free agent beyond his swap tenure at the Storm.
Goal kicking centres don’t grow on trees.
I hope Bellamy”s intentions are not sinister and surely we covering ourselves appropriately.

Bellamy is Madge's old mentor - doubt he'd screw us over and in fact was probably what got the ball rolling on the loan to begin with. It would actually be pretty poor form for the Storm to counter our offer to Momo with the hope of signing him.
 
@TonyTiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111527) said:
Bellamy was smart to re-sign Grant recently for a further 3 years in preparation for the “loan” deal.
I hope we’re not dumb enough to send Momo down there unsigned beyond 2020 otherwise we have no bargaining chip and Bellamy will grab Momo beyond 2020 and also have Grant back in his stable.
Hopefully this swap deal is all about getting JAC here next year, we can always release Momo early to the Storm next year should he work out for them down there, however we must take the necessary insurance steps to ensure he’s not a free agent beyond his swap tenure at the Storm.
Goal kicking centres don’t grow on trees.
I hope Bellamy”s intentions are not sinister and surely we covering ourselves appropriately.

Would it be the end of the world if he didn't come back? Imo it wouldn't be all that hard to find someone of his quality on the market. He tries hard but I don't think he's as good as his wraps.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111549) said:
@TonyTiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111527) said:
Bellamy was smart to re-sign Grant recently for a further 3 years in preparation for the “loan” deal.
I hope we’re not dumb enough to send Momo down there unsigned beyond 2020 otherwise we have no bargaining chip and Bellamy will grab Momo beyond 2020 and also have Grant back in his stable.
Hopefully this swap deal is all about getting JAC here next year, we can always release Momo early to the Storm next year should he work out for them down there, however we must take the necessary insurance steps to ensure he’s not a free agent beyond his swap tenure at the Storm.
Goal kicking centres don’t grow on trees.
I hope Bellamy”s intentions are not sinister and surely we covering ourselves appropriately.

Would it be the end of the world if he didn't come back? Imo it wouldn't be all that hard to find someone of his quality on the market. He tries hard but I don't think he's as good as his wraps.

I thought the same
One way ticket ?
Paul who ?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111550) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111549) said:
@TonyTiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111527) said:
Bellamy was smart to re-sign Grant recently for a further 3 years in preparation for the “loan” deal.
I hope we’re not dumb enough to send Momo down there unsigned beyond 2020 otherwise we have no bargaining chip and Bellamy will grab Momo beyond 2020 and also have Grant back in his stable.
Hopefully this swap deal is all about getting JAC here next year, we can always release Momo early to the Storm next year should he work out for them down there, however we must take the necessary insurance steps to ensure he’s not a free agent beyond his swap tenure at the Storm.
Goal kicking centres don’t grow on trees.
I hope Bellamy”s intentions are not sinister and surely we covering ourselves appropriately.

Would it be the end of the world if he didn't come back? Imo it wouldn't be all that hard to find someone of his quality on the market. He tries hard but I don't think he's as good as his wraps.

I thought the same
One way ticket ?
Paul who ?

I think he was our best back last year, the most dangerous, the only player who could find the line when there was a few players in front of him.

I know Chee Kam did it twice as well, I see him more as a second rower (Not a back)
 
Momo out performed Nof, Jennings, Mbye, Thompson and Marsters last season in his limited game time. If we're happy to have any of those players in our line-up then we've got to be happy to keep Momo.

If you don't rate him, fine. But you must also not rate any of the aforementioned players either. Our backs have been crap, and we're gradually replacing them with better ones.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111552) said:
Momo out performed Nof, Jennings, Mbye, Thompson and Marsters last season in his limited game time. If we're happy to have any of those players in our line-up then we've got to be happy to keep Momo.

If you don't rate him, fine. But you must also not rate any of the aforementioned players either. Our backs have been crap, and we're gradually replacing them with better ones.

Momirovski is a centre so it's only really worth comparing him to our other centres. He's obviously a long way off BJ and imo when healthy Mbye looked better. Provided Mbye is back to full fitness (which he now should be) I think he'll be very strong at left centre this year. Where would that leave Momirovski?
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1110726) said:
@jrtiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1110725) said:
think by the close of business on Monday we should have an official announcement. the dimwits at the NRL don't take too well to innovation so it's probably why it's taking so long

Surprised no ones played the ‘’NRL will reject it cos it’s us” card.


Thats why its taking so long, because the NRL went to instinctively reject it because its us, then they went to instinctively approve it because its Melbourne and it has left them spinning in mid air like a falling cat with a piece of buttered toast strapped to its back.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111553) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111552) said:
Momo out performed Nof, Jennings, Mbye, Thompson and Marsters last season in his limited game time. If we're happy to have any of those players in our line-up then we've got to be happy to keep Momo.

If you don't rate him, fine. But you must also not rate any of the aforementioned players either. Our backs have been crap, and we're gradually replacing them with better ones.

Momirovski is a centre so it's only really worth comparing him to our other centres. He's obviously a long way off BJ and imo when healthy Mbye looked better. Provided Mbye is back to full fitness (which he now should be) I think he'll be very strong at left centre this year. Where would that leave Momirovski?

Mbye's only ever played like a dozen games at centre in his life. Too early to say whether he can make it there or not.

8 tries in 11 games, most where he had to beat 3-4 players is an excellent output for a rookie. How many tries and assists did Mbye get last year?
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111553) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111552) said:
Momo out performed Nof, Jennings, Mbye, Thompson and Marsters last season in his limited game time. If we're happy to have any of those players in our line-up then we've got to be happy to keep Momo.

If you don't rate him, fine. But you must also not rate any of the aforementioned players either. Our backs have been crap, and we're gradually replacing them with better ones.

Momirovski is a centre so it's only really worth comparing him to our other centres. He's obviously a long way off BJ and imo when healthy Mbye looked better. Provided Mbye is back to full fitness (which he now should be) I think he'll be very strong at left centre this year. Where would that leave Momirovski?

Which is why I think Madge decided for this year (fingers crossed for injury) that Momo could go to the Storm. But our backs is too much up in the air to know who will play where long term.

Doueihi fullback or five eighth?
MBye centre, fullback, hooker?
Thompson winger, fullback?

Its settling a bit now with BJ, he'll tie down one centre spot, and start a combination with someone who will tie down that wing spot. Go from there I guess.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111557) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111553) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111552) said:
Momo out performed Nof, Jennings, Mbye, Thompson and Marsters last season in his limited game time. If we're happy to have any of those players in our line-up then we've got to be happy to keep Momo.

If you don't rate him, fine. But you must also not rate any of the aforementioned players either. Our backs have been crap, and we're gradually replacing them with better ones.

Momirovski is a centre so it's only really worth comparing him to our other centres. He's obviously a long way off BJ and imo when healthy Mbye looked better. Provided Mbye is back to full fitness (which he now should be) I think he'll be very strong at left centre this year. Where would that leave Momirovski?

Mbye's only ever played like a dozen games at centre in his life. Too early to say whether he can make it there or not.

8 tries in 11 games, most where he had to beat 3-4 players is an excellent output for a rookie. How many tries and assists did Mbye get last year?

8 tries was a good effort, no question, but it's not the only stat you look at. Look I just think Mbye looked better there. I thought as the season went on he looked better and better, particularly defensively. I think he has a stronger passing game, is better defensively and is much faster. But I could be wrong, we'll see what transpires this year.
 
All this doubt Momo will not come back and Bellyache has a sinister plot is total rubbish.
He will be back and he will sign a extended deal...this deal is all about both clubs getting themself out of a short term jam...nothing more. We badly need the season to start so people have other things to invent sinister plots about
 
@supercoach said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111568) said:
All this doubt Momo will not come back and Bellyache has a sinister plot is total rubbish.
He will be back and he will sign a extended deal...this deal is all about both clubs getting themself out of a short term jam...nothing more. We badly need the season to start so people have other things to invent sinister plots about

Pascoe has already said they're locking him down now on an extended deal. I believe that it's why it's taking a little while.
 
The RLPA has backed the 12-month player swap between Wests Tigers and Melbourne but genuine Super League-type loan deals are unlikely to become more common before the next collective bargaining agreement, despite keen interest from rival NRL clubs.

Under the terms of the arrangement between the Tigers and Storm, Paul Momirovski will move to Melbourne and rookie hooker Harry Grant will join the Concord-based club for the 2020 season before returning to their current clubs next year.

Player trades have very occasionally occurred on the Australian league scene - St George swapped a 21-year-old Andrew Walker for journeyman Roosters winger Jeff Orford in 1995, while Penrith and Cronulla effectively traded five-eighths Matt Moylan and James Maloney in 2018.

Other well-documented player swaps include Brad Abbey moving to Canterbury in exchange for Clay Priest two years ago, while Melbourne traded Smith Samau and Daniel Isaac to Gold Coast in 2007 to enable them keep winger Steve Turner after he signed with the Titans but changed his mind.

However, the Momirovski-Grant deal is unique in that it is also effectively a loan arrangement like those that operate in Super League.

Harry Grant and Paul Momirovski.
Harry Grant and Paul Momirovski.
The closest comparison to a loan deal in the NRL would be Jordan Kahu leaving the Broncos last season for North Queensland on the understanding that he could return to Brisbane in 2020 for the final year of his contract if the Cowboys didn’t want him.

Other clubs have allowed players to spend a year in the Super League to help relieve salary cap pressure before returning on new contracts but the Momirovski-Grant deal is a rare case of a pre-arranged two-way loan agreement between rival NRL clubs.

The Tigers need a hooker and are able to offer NRL experience to Grant as he bides his time until Cameron Smith eventually retires, while the Storm are light on for centres and can provide Momirovski the opportunity to develop under the coaching of Craig Bellamy.

The key to the swap is Momirovski signing a new deal with the Tigers for 2021 and 2022, while Grant returns to Melbourne next season to serve out the remaining two years of his contract.


The deal has the blessing of the RLPA, which was consulted before NRL salary cap auditor Richard Gardham signed off on the innovative agreement between the players and their clubs.

The RPLA is supportive of the arrangement after receiving assurances that neither Momirovski or Grant would be impacted by having to relocate, while the Storm and Tigers will take over the respective contracts of the players wearing their jersey this season.

NRL.com has been told other clubs are looking at similar arrangements but the current contracting model for the Telstra Premiership makes loan deals difficult to organise.

Besides all parties needing to agree, the Storm and Tigers were required to terminate the existing contracts of Grant and Momirovski before the pair signed 12-month deals with their new clubs identical to those they were previously on.

If the Momirovski-Grant deal generates more demand for similar arrangements, changes to the contracting system could be considered during the next round of CBA discussions between the RLPA and NRL for the 2023 season.

In Super League, a player can be loaned to another club on a month-by-month basis, with the portion of his contract for the period of the loan to be included in the salary cap of the club he is playing for at the time – regardless of who is paying his wages at that time.

Former Titans and Tigers utility Jordan Rankin played for Castleford in Sunday’s defeat of Toronto after switching from Huddersfield as part of a loan-trade deal with ex-Newcastle forward Joe Wardle.

"If one club has a position where they have numbers and another club is looking for a player in that position, it is just common sense," an NRL recruitment manager told NRL.com.

"It has been going on in the Super League for years and it is better use of your money, while the players get the opportunity to play first grade so it is a no-brainer."

There are clubs in the NRL who have a logjam in certain positions who theoretically could consider loaning a player out as an option, like the Sydney Roosters, who have three international wingers in Daniel Tupou, Brett Morris and Ryan Hall, and the Warriors, who boast three hookers – Nathaniel Roache, Wayde Egan and Kane Lawton - in their top 30-man squad.


Cronulla have four top-line centres in Josh Morris, Bronson Xerri, Jesse Ramien and Josh Dugan, while South Sydney still have 12 outside backs despite releasing utility Adam Doueihi to the Tigers last week.

St George Illawarra are still on the lookout for an experienced back, while the Titans need a forward to replace luckless star Ryan James after he suffered a second serious knee injury in as many years at training last week.

However, it is considered more likely that loan deals would involve inexperienced players seeking an opportunity, such as teenage Irish prop Ronan Michael, who has joined the Raiders for 12 months from Huddersfield.

Michael will play for Canberra’s under-20 team this season before returning to the Giants next season as part of an agreement between the two clubs.

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire became a fan of the loan system when he was at Wigan, before joining South Sydney in 2012, and he recently suggested NRL clubs could send players to Super League on a temporary basis.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/02/03/clubs-keen-for-momirovski-grant-style-swaps-but-trade-deals-hard-to-seal/
 
@hammertime said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111571) said:
@supercoach said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111568) said:
All this doubt Momo will not come back and Bellyache has a sinister plot is total rubbish.
He will be back and he will sign a extended deal...this deal is all about both clubs getting themself out of a short term jam...nothing more. We badly need the season to start so people have other things to invent sinister plots about

Pascoe has already said they're locking him down now on an extended deal. I believe that it's why it's taking a little while.

I doubt Momo will be extended - more like a swap to usurp the current swap when it expires.
Smoke and mirrors by Pasco until that is revealed/confirmed I anticipate.
 
Per the NRL.com update:

• Harry Grant will be released by Storm to sign a 1 year deal with WT (2020). He will officially be on the books of WT & his 2020 contract will mirror the one he had in Melbourne.

His remaining Storm deal (2021, 2022) will stand.
https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/1224232823248187392?s=19
Replace Harry Grant with Paul Momirovski for the other side of the agreement.

Momirovski will take up a new 2 year deal with WT for 2021 & 2022
https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/1224232823248187392?s=19
 
@WT2K said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111751) said:
Per the NRL.com update:

• Harry Grant will be released by Storm to sign a 1 year deal with WT (2020). He will officially be on the books of WT & his 2020 contract will mirror the one he had in Melbourne.

His remaining Storm deal (2021, 2022) will stand.
https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/1224232823248187392?s=19
Replace Harry Grant with Paul Momirovski for the other side of the agreement.

Momirovski will take up a new 2 year deal with WT for 2021 & 2022
https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/1224232823248187392?s=19
Sounds good


Just remove cam Smith off storm

And storm jump down the teams I hate ladder
 
@TonyTiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111743) said:
@hammertime said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111571) said:
@supercoach said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111568) said:
All this doubt Momo will not come back and Bellyache has a sinister plot is total rubbish.
He will be back and he will sign a extended deal...this deal is all about both clubs getting themself out of a short term jam...nothing more. We badly need the season to start so people have other things to invent sinister plots about

Pascoe has already said they're locking him down now on an extended deal. I believe that it's why it's taking a little while.

I doubt Momo will be extended - more like a swap to usurp the current swap when it expires.
Smoke and mirrors by Pasco until that is revealed/confirmed I anticipate.

He’ll be extended, otherwise there’s no point in doing a swap/loan in the first place. If tigers didn’t want to extend him they wouldn’t of gone through the whole process
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111549) said:
@TonyTiger said in [Tigers and Storm Player Loan Swap](/post/1111527) said:
Bellamy was smart to re-sign Grant recently for a further 3 years in preparation for the “loan” deal.
I hope we’re not dumb enough to send Momo down there unsigned beyond 2020 otherwise we have no bargaining chip and Bellamy will grab Momo beyond 2020 and also have Grant back in his stable.
Hopefully this swap deal is all about getting JAC here next year, we can always release Momo early to the Storm next year should he work out for them down there, however we must take the necessary insurance steps to ensure he’s not a free agent beyond his swap tenure at the Storm.
Goal kicking centres don’t grow on trees.
I hope Bellamy”s intentions are not sinister and surely we covering ourselves appropriately.

Would it be the end of the world if he didn't come back? Imo it wouldn't be all that hard to find someone of his quality on the market. He tries hard but I don't think he's as good as his wraps.

Would be devastating Avo, wrist slashing stuff for me.

I think he is a real goodun' and is going to get better year by year.
 

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