Tigers board to undertake post-season review

[Geo]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

I very much doubt anyone on the board would know what defence is…

 

[Tiger5150]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

I hope this is true, it is one of the best and most concise summaries of where we are that I have seen and it would be encouraging if that is how the board see it.

 

[Tiger5150]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

 

[Needaname]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

The fact they were easily handled every time they met a Top 4 side - tells you exactly where they are at. Completely speculative whether or not a full-strength Roosters can compete with the Top 4.

Also illuminating that once you strip away a bunch of established first graders, a team of younger and inexperienced players tends to get heavily defeated by decent sides - many of the Roosters' results became blow-outs despite the fact they didn't stop trying.

For example last night Roosters got done by 36, in a finals match, the most important match of the year. Tigers never fared worse against Manly, though we were resoundly beaten both times.

I think for most, this season could of been a repeat of 2016 for them, when at the duration they ended up finishing 15th. But some how since that time then, Robbo and the senior group squad has managed a mass injury toll and snuck in a mini rebuild of the playing group but still remain competitive.
They may of been fodder to every side above and including parramatta but there is no denying they easily accounted for the teams below them.

Very good and accurate post.

Foxsports agrees with the 2016 comparison;
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-roosters-roster-premiership-window-luke-keary-lindsay-collins-joseph-manu-manly-sea-eagles-beat-sydney-semifinal/news-story/727cb18ba2908733a57b30a04ac64c6a

 

[Plisskin]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing what you think they are.
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

 

[Tiger5150]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

 

[cochise]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing what you think they are.
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Do you know that they aren't or if a review hasn't already been conducted into their roles?

 

[Sunset Highway]

The review is a joke. The board should have no say in football operations, Pascoe by his own admission has no idea of football.
The board should just concentrate on supplying funds to the football department and that’s it.
At the end of the year they can ask for a report on operations and that’s it.
Sheens needs to take control of recruitment, pathways and get the playing group onside.

 

[cochise]

The review is a joke. The board should have no say in football operations, Pascoe by his own admission has no idea of football.
The board should just concentrate on supplying funds to the football department and that’s it.
At the end of the year they can ask for a report on operations and that’s it.
Sheens needs to take control of recruitment, pathways and get the playing group onside.

That is not how boards work.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing what you think they are.
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

I think Hartigan identifies good talent but between the three stooges
Lee, pascoe and hartigan they can't get a deal over the line

 

[yeahcaz]

Looks like the review goes on for another week…..

 

[Needaname]

Looks like the review goes on for another week…..

Were you expecting Fox to announce the result halftime of the Semi Final?

 

[mike]

The review is a joke. The board should have no say in football operations, Pascoe by his own admission has no idea of football.
The board should just concentrate on supplying funds to the football department and that’s it.
At the end of the year they can ask for a report on operations and that’s it.
Sheens needs to take control of recruitment, pathways and get the playing group onside.

The Board is the organisation. It’s the Board’s responsibility to set the strategic direction and goals and the CEO’s responsibility is to implement plans that achieve those goals. So yeah the Board should absolutely have a say in the sense that they set the direction, after all it is their organisation.

 

[Plisskin]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

Have you ever asked me a question worth answering?

 

[TigerWest]

The review is a joke. The board should have no say in football operations, Pascoe by his own admission has no idea of football.
The board should just concentrate on supplying funds to the football department and that’s it.
At the end of the year they can ask for a report on operations and that’s it.
Sheens needs to take control of recruitment, pathways and get the playing group onside.

You're kidding aren't you?

 

[Alltheway]

God Noffa gets a lot of hate around here.

He is a senior member of the team and a big contributor to our failures, yet gets rewarded with a huge contract.
People are right to expect a raised level from him.

Welcome to the forum lad.
Great posts so far, like ya already.

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Maybe they should have a look too the coach who continues to leave a tired and lethargic curly haired second rower two people in, allowing massive overlaps in nearly every set.
Long time local player again cops heaps of rubbish from the forum, gee wonder why no one wants too come here! But don’t t let get that in the way of your hate campaign.

 

[twentyforty]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing what you think they are.
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

I think Hartigan identifies good talent but between the three stooges
Lee, pascoe and hartigan they can't get a deal over the line

How many trustworthy lawyers do you know?
That’s a perception in the community. Coaches, teachers as a rule don’t develop community mistrust.
Our back office needs the shake up, but it will not happen.
It is they who have created this mess, and it will only get deeper as they look to make personnel changes.
I’ve never heard of anything more ridiculous than sacking someone because of a perceived perception by those outside the organisation?
Can you convince anyone that it’s a good idea to sack the coach because he can’t teach elephants to climb trees?
I think a lot of people won’t buy that.

 

[Demps]

God Noffa gets a lot of hate around here.

He is a senior member of the team and a big contributor to our failures, yet gets rewarded with a huge contract.
People are right to expect a raised level from him.

Welcome to the forum lad.
Great posts so far, like ya already.

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Maybe they should have a look too the coach who continues to leave a tired and lethargic curly haired second rower two people in, allowing massive overlaps in nearly every set.
Long time local player again cops heaps of rubbish from the forum, gee wonder why no one wants too come here! But don’t t let get that in the way of your hate campaign.

Problems all over the place.

No hate campaigns here bra, life's too short for that. Wouldn't mind some restructuring across the club though from the board to the coaches box to the playing group who needs an honest assessment and some hard calls made.

Local boys or not, some partnerships need to be reviewed for the better of the club and individuals involved.

 

[2005magic]

Ive read somewhere- probably on this thread, that the Board has the report nut are undecided on what to do. Hopefully decision made early next week and we go from there. Surely the first question is do we go for another coach or stick with Maguire? Should be easy bit of the equation. Once decision made then things flow- eg recruitment. We cant do potential recruitment before a Board decision on existing coach!!!!!!! Trying to do all things before decision is just nuts. The clock is ticking fellas and time running ut- players are fielding offers already and we are stuck in limbo until decision made.

Heres a left field option- declare the position open and have any interested, qualified coach apply including Maguire. We can test his ideas and methods against other interested parties.

 

[Plisskin]

God Noffa gets a lot of hate around here.

He is a senior member of the team and a big contributor to our failures, yet gets rewarded with a huge contract.
People are right to expect a raised level from him.

Welcome to the forum lad.
Great posts so far, like ya already.

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Maybe they should have a look too the coach who continues to leave a tired and lethargic curly haired second rower two people in, allowing massive overlaps in nearly every set.
Long time local player again cops heaps of rubbish from the forum, gee wonder why no one wants too come here! But don’t t let get that in the way of your hate campaign.

There are a lot of thin skins on here.
Providing criticism of players who are not supplying winning results is the right of a passionate fan base. This isn’t a local footy club, it is a professional sporting organisation in one of Australia’s premier codes and the world’s best competition of its type.
We have senior players - Brooks 8 seasons and Nofoaluma 9 seasons, who have not played finals football. They are both contracted for years to come. There is no hate campaign, we all respect and acknowledge the effort put in at times throughout their careers here, but the fact remains…they are not winners. They do not create a culture of success for the next brigade. They coast along, winning the odd game and cashing in their huge monthly cheques.
A proper rebuild must weed out those who have heavily contributed to our decade of incompetence, thank them for their time and send them on their way. Both of these men would still secure NRL contracts elsewhere…the time to act, for us and them, is now.