Tigers board to undertake post-season review

[twentyforty]

Ive read somewhere- probably on this thread, that the Board has the report nut are undecided on what to do. Hopefully decision made early next week and we go from there. Surely the first question is do we go for another coach or stick with Maguire? Should be easy bit of the equation. Once decision made then things flow- eg recruitment. We cant do potential recruitment before a Board decision on existing coach!!!!!!! Trying to do all things before decision is just nuts. The clock is ticking fellas and time running ut- players are fielding offers already and we are stuck in limbo until decision made.

Heres a left field option- declare the position open and have any interested, qualified coach apply including Maguire. We can test his ideas and methods against other interested parties.

I don’t understand why the coach’s future at the club is the priority, he’s contracted for the next 2 seasons.
I would have thought the priority would be to deal with the people in the organisation who are secretly using the media to undermine the success of the club?

 

[BZN]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

Have you ever asked me a question worth answering?

WOW!!! you've been here for one day and it seems to me you feel you need to control our Forum.
I'm putting a red flag on this blokes posts.

 

[Telltails]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

What is said perspective?

That a team considered weak in terms of a Roosters run on squad still had - Teddy Crichton JWH Tupounia Radley - and still got smashed by Manly puts into perspective the challenges we had in being able to match the better quality sides and why we are not playing finals.

I think you are way off here.

To me, that Roosters side were pretty magnificent in the face of adversity this year.
Those 5 you mentioned were there last night but they missed a heap of games and training between them this year to injury, suspension and some rep footy. There were games this year that they were forced to field a reserve grade side and still competed. The fact they ran out of puff last night was testament to the enormous effort put in by their 30 man squad to finish 5th on the ladder and win their 1st week final. If I was a supporter of theirs I would be very satisfied with how they held themselves this season.
The Wests Tigers faced a fraction of that adversity and were atrocious most weeks. I am ashamed of their effort this season. They bordered on cowardly quite a few times.

Whilst the Roosters faced and met challenges involving injury, suspension and rep duties to their stars, the Wests Tigers ran and hid from their comparatively minor challenges, barely ever putting up a fight.

These two squads share no similarities and you are comparing mangoes with cat poo I’m afraid.

I wasnt pointing out any similarities I was pointing out the differences - which justifies their position and ours.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

In previous seasons, this side would have maybe snuck into the 8 but in this year’s weak comp, they proved as long as you have a go for the full 80, you can finish well.
16 competition wins + 1 finals win …It is quite the effort and only the most bitter fans would bemoan the resilience and fortitude of the Sydney Roosters of 2021.

You are right, this years 8 was very weak, even the great Gus Gould said so, we could of and should of made the 8, we never turned up for far too many games

We know that, but the question is really, why did we not turn up. What sets us apart from the Roosters? Are their decision makers are better problem solvers and planners? Do they have a more astute recruiting system and more importantly a pathway, or succession plan, complete with good timing, for these young talented players, who are looking forward to their opportunity?
Players In our key positions aren't under pressure to perform because there is no replacement on their heels. Would Brooks have performed better if we had an NRL level half playing KOE? Reynolds knew Souths had a decent replacement for him, that kept him focused on his career.
All the good teams use the stick and carrot approach. All we have as our stick is a screaming coach. I know which way is more effective.

Might have been coincidence but I noticed Brooks intensity suddenly increased the game after Hastings was announced.

 

[GCfan]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

What is said perspective?

That a team considered weak in terms of a Roosters run on squad still had - Teddy Crichton JWH Tupounia Radley - and still got smashed by Manly puts into perspective the challenges we had in being able to match the better quality sides and why we are not playing finals.

I think you are way off here.

To me, that Roosters side were pretty magnificent in the face of adversity this year.
Those 5 you mentioned were there last night but they missed a heap of games and training between them this year to injury, suspension and some rep footy. There were games this year that they were forced to field a reserve grade side and still competed. The fact they ran out of puff last night was testament to the enormous effort put in by their 30 man squad to finish 5th on the ladder and win their 1st week final. If I was a supporter of theirs I would be very satisfied with how they held themselves this season.
The Wests Tigers faced a fraction of that adversity and were atrocious most weeks. I am ashamed of their effort this season. They bordered on cowardly quite a few times.

Whilst the Roosters faced and met challenges involving injury, suspension and rep duties to their stars, the Wests Tigers ran and hid from their comparatively minor challenges, barely ever putting up a fight.

These two squads share no similarities and you are comparing mangoes with cat poo I’m afraid.

I’m assuming we’re the cat poo?

 

[Tiger5150]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

Have you ever asked me a question worth answering?

You are right. You proved to me and other with your previous alt that you are not worth engaging with. I gave you the benefit of the doubt with this one. I was wrong again and you clearly dont have the integrity to be worth engaging with here so I wont.

I wish you the best of luck with this alt, hope it ends better than the last one.

 

[happy_tiger]

So ...we were told a decision over the result of the review would be out by weeks end .....

I'm just totally shocked ...our club fails to meet a deadline .......

Look at the Roosters ...within a week they saw the biggest problem at the end of 2020 and had him gone a week and a half later .....

This is why we continually fail .....

 

[Plisskin]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

Have you ever asked me a question worth answering?

You are right. You proved to me and other with your previous alt that you are not worth engaging with. I gave you the benefit of the doubt with this one. I was wrong again and you clearly dont have the integrity to be worth engaging with here so I wont.

I wish you the best of luck with this alt, hope it ends better than the last one.

Thankyou for the big sign off. I won’t miss our interactions and will continue speaking with the actual football fans on here.

 

[coivtny]

Sounds a bit like animal-mother is back.

 

[Plisskin]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

Have you ever asked me a question worth answering?

WOW!!! you've been here for one day and it seems to me you feel you need to control our Forum.
I'm putting a red flag on this blokes posts.

Lol you have upvoted at least a dozen of my posts and now you claim this? What happened?

 

[jirskyr]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

Have you ever asked me a question worth answering?

WOW!!! you've been here for one day and it seems to me you feel you need to control our Forum.
I'm putting a red flag on this blokes posts.

Lol you have upvoted at least a dozen of my posts and now you claim this? What happened?

He upvotes everyone.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

What's going to take longer .. the Eels winning the comp or the Wests Tigers review

 

[Tiger5150]

Ive read somewhere- probably on this thread, that the Board has the report nut are undecided on what to do. Hopefully decision made early next week and we go from there. Surely the first question is do we go for another coach or stick with Maguire? Should be easy bit of the equation. Once decision made then things flow- eg recruitment. We cant do potential recruitment before a Board decision on existing coach!!!!!!! Trying to do all things before decision is just nuts. The clock is ticking fellas and time running ut- players are fielding offers already and we are stuck in limbo until decision made.

***Heres a left field option***- declare the position open and have any interested, qualified coach apply including Maguire. We can test his ideas and methods against other interested parties.

Madge does have a Contract. Your left field options would cause some problems in paying that contract out.

 

[Tiger5150]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

How unprofessional do you think it would look (to a prospective coach or player) to begin these machinations whilst the competition was still live?

I understand that the club is unsuccessful and going badly, I understand that it seems endemic and has been going on for 10 years now and people hate the board for it, but what the board is actually doing right now, is exactly what they should be doing and if they werent, we should be jumoing up and down.

They aren’t doing ***what you think they are.***
If they were, Pascoe and Hartigan would both be under scrutiny.
What we are seeing is a poorly conducted and needlessly lengthened witch-hunt.

Adam Baldwin, you seem to have a long history of knowing what I think and also not answering my questions. What do I think again?

Have you ever asked me a question worth answering?

WOW!!! you've been here for one day and it seems to me you feel you need to control our Forum.
I'm putting a red flag on this blokes posts.

He has been here a lot longer than a day '63. Lets see how this alt goes.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sounds a bit like animal-mother is back.

Well spotted.

 

[TonyTiger]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/jimmy-brings/nrl-2021-james-hooper-column-jimmy-brings-luke-brooks-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-st-george-illawarra-kikau-tariq-sims/news-story/a65ed58c0eedbb7f2b6ff711ab748a9a?utm_source=nrl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm

Ok. So Hooper or Rothfiled are liars. (or both)

Hooper reports Sheens is involved in the review as part of his new role at the club.

Rothfield reports he spoke to someone who advised him that Sheens doesn't know when he is coming here or what his role is with the club.

Hmmm.....

You’ll get a different recollection from Rothfield if he ever sobers up - he’s also a sarcastic maggot looking for a rise out of everyone.
Mark Levy also likes putting the boot into the Tigers.
He’s such a light weight, he tried to emulate Ray Hadley.
There was a Mark Levy playing for Balmain in the 80s - not sure is he is the same guy but teams has to play-off during the week to decide who qualifies for the semi finals (no points differential back then) - anyway Mark Levy missed a conversion straight in front of the posts at full time for Balmain against Parramatta which would have seen Balmain qualified for the semis - (Balmain lost by one point as a result) —- the next year Levy went to Parramatta. Does anyone know if this is the same clown?

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/jimmy-brings/nrl-2021-james-hooper-column-jimmy-brings-luke-brooks-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-st-george-illawarra-kikau-tariq-sims/news-story/a65ed58c0eedbb7f2b6ff711ab748a9a?utm_source=nrl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm

Ok. So Hooper or Rothfiled are liars. (or both)

Hooper reports Sheens is involved in the review as part of his new role at the club.

Rothfield reports he spoke to someone who advised him that Sheens doesn't know when he is coming here or what his role is with the club.

Hmmm.....

You’ll get a different recollection from Rothfield if he ever sobers up - he’s also a sarcastic maggot looking for a rise out of everyone.
Mark Levy also likes putting the boot into the Tigers.
He’s such a light weight, he tried to emulate Ray Hadley.
There was a Mark Levy playing for Balmain in the 80s - not sure is he is the same guy but teams has to play-off during the week to decide who qualifies for the semi finals (no points differential back then) - anyway Mark Levy missed a conversion straight in front of the posts at full time for Balmain against Parramatta which would have seen Balmain qualified for the semis - (Balmain lost by one point as a result) —- the next year Levy went to Parramatta. Does anyone know if this is the same clown?

I dont think it is the same guy.

 

[Masterton]

Ive read somewhere- probably on this thread, that the Board has the report nut are undecided on what to do.

I suspect what they decide to do depends very much on which coaches are interested. Madge may be gifted another season if the biggest competition is Flanno and Green.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sounds a bit like animal-mother is back.

Was he/she/them/it booted?

Zhe was banned.......but seems like zhe is back