Tigers board to undertake post-season review

[Snake]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/60U8yC97tyOKxjnqsm4z4W?si=axfAFm0KQ6CRUgX_uNBzvw&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A2M6mb9MyZBHKEdrbTyq4Wm&dl_branch=1

This is a great listen so far. An in depth description of someone who has dealt with the big wigs at the club. I’m half hour in and it’s pretty damming

Correct the problem is wests asfield.

They say our players are happy to br nrl players.

Our board and ceo are happy just to be working for a nrl club.

Winning is irrelevant.

Critism on negotiation is on point.

If we lose Stefano to the bloody slime that we signed him from, I am done.

Legit question. What’s keeping him here?

Madge

As if ? Madge had him in and out of first grade for no reason and the only reason he kept starting is because people were in his ear all origin camp about how shit of a coach he is.

You mean he was bringing him into first grade in a controlled manner to ensure his successful development.

You are giving Madge far too much credit there.

You know this how?

Observing him for many years

Do you know him?

? What are you? 5 years old?
No I don’t know him, so what? That is irrelevant.
If you think Madge is a good coach, that is your bad luck.

A coach is only as good as his roster ......our roster sucks big time ......Madge is wearing a cumulutive effect of a club who hasn't looked like a Top 8 side for 11 years ......we can attract players becuase we are miles away from playing finals or pushing a players representative chances .....


When I have seen no defensive structure for 3 seasons you can blame the players all you like , the bottom line is Maguire surrounded himself with very poor assistants this was his doing if he was a good coach he would of rectified the situation:
Maguire is done get over it !

Just curious, @Snake. What will you do if Maguire is retained?

The club has to realise its not good enough to expect supporters every season to pay out hard earned cash when the hard work is not reciprocated!
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I’d argue Maguire is the hardest worker in the club.

Whilst I could see how you think that, being a hard worker doesn't make you good at your job, we have seen first hand that hard working players are sometimes just ordinary players, how many players have we had that train good but can't perform on game day

Understand but my comment was purely addressing the comment made. Perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly but It read like membership shouldn’t be paid due to lack of effort. I was just saying Madge is one of the hardest workers at the club. Now if the implication is a lot of the rooster not working hard I totally agree with that.

Working smarter might be the key element here ., working hard at something is only one aspect!
Working smarter is signing professional and proven assistants that drives your ambitions and hard work to succeed .. that’s all history now .

 

[Telltails]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

No not missing the point. I know our recruitment is poor and I also know our current roster is not good enough to be playing finals footy. But if we had any of those top quality Roosters players in our side during the year there is every chance that some of those games we lost we would have performed better in, and scraped into the finals ie the two Warriors games. Even at their weakest those players still make their team a better one than ours and yet clearly they were outplayed by a much stronger team last night. It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

 

[gallagher]

The team that is regularly mocked as having a “salary sombrero”, and they don’t seem to care, and 4 years ago they bought 2 x $1M players in a single recruitment session - well this year’s injury tolls show you just how far that salary sombrero stretches, that they can lose 7 or 8 established FG players and still make it to the finals with a fairly competent roster.

That is the one that really made me cranky, how do they sign two $1,000,000 players in one offseason to add to their already star studded roster, and the NRL say nothing to see here

Pearce and RTS both left.

 

[twentyforty]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

In previous seasons, this side would have maybe snuck into the 8 but in this year’s weak comp, they proved as long as you have a go for the full 80, you can finish well.
16 competition wins + 1 finals win …It is quite the effort and only the most bitter fans would bemoan the resilience and fortitude of the Sydney Roosters of 2021.

You are right, this years 8 was very weak, even the great Gus Gould said so, we could of and should of made the 8, we never turned up for far too many games

We know that, but the question is really, why did we not turn up. What sets us apart from the Roosters? Are their decision makers are better problem solvers and planners? Do they have a more astute recruiting system and more importantly a pathway, or succession plan, complete with good timing, for these young talented players, who are looking forward to their opportunity?
Players In our key positions aren't under pressure to perform because there is no replacement on their heels. Would Brooks have performed better if we had an NRL level half playing KOE? Reynolds knew Souths had a decent replacement for him, that kept him focused on his career.
All the good teams use the stick and carrot approach. All we have as our stick is a screaming coach. I know which way is more effective.

 

[bathursttiger1]

The team that is regularly mocked as having a “salary sombrero”, and they don’t seem to care, and 4 years ago they bought 2 x $1M players in a single recruitment session - well this year’s injury tolls show you just how far that salary sombrero stretches, that they can lose 7 or 8 established FG players and still make it to the finals with a fairly competent roster.

That is the one that really made me cranky, how do they sign two $1,000,000 players in one offseason to add to their already star studded roster, and the NRL say nothing to see here

Ask Hartigan as he was in charge of the Roosters Salary cap.

 

[Plisskin]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

What is said perspective?

 

[Needaname]

The team that is regularly mocked as having a “salary sombrero”, and they don’t seem to care, and 4 years ago they bought 2 x $1M players in a single recruitment session - well this year’s injury tolls show you just how far that salary sombrero stretches, that they can lose 7 or 8 established FG players and still make it to the finals with a fairly competent roster.

That is the one that really made me cranky, how do they sign two $1,000,000 players in one offseason to add to their already star studded roster, and the NRL say nothing to see here

Pearce and RTS both left.

RTS left 2 seasons prior. Who did leave though is the following;

EVANS, Kane (Parramatta)
GORDON, Michael (Gold Coast Titans)
GUERRA, Aidan (Newcastle)
KENNY-DOWALL, Shaun (Newcastle)
PEARCE, Mitchell (Newcastle)
SMITH, Christopher (Canterbury)
WATSON, Connor (Newcastle)
CARTER, Paul (Released)

 

[jadtiger]

The team that is regularly mocked as having a “salary sombrero”, and they don’t seem to care, and 4 years ago they bought 2 x $1M players in a single recruitment session - well this year’s injury tolls show you just how far that salary sombrero stretches, that they can lose 7 or 8 established FG players and still make it to the finals with a fairly competent roster.

That is the one that really made me cranky, how do they sign two $1,000,000 players in one offseason to add to their already star studded roster, and the NRL say nothing to see here

Ask Hartigan as he was in charge of the Roosters Salary cap.

We need the bloke who was in charge of the brown paper bags not the salary cap

 

[bathursttiger1]

The team that is regularly mocked as having a “salary sombrero”, and they don’t seem to care, and 4 years ago they bought 2 x $1M players in a single recruitment session - well this year’s injury tolls show you just how far that salary sombrero stretches, that they can lose 7 or 8 established FG players and still make it to the finals with a fairly competent roster.

That is the one that really made me cranky, how do they sign two $1,000,000 players in one offseason to add to their already star studded roster, and the NRL say nothing to see here

Ask Hartigan as he was in charge of the Roosters Salary cap.


We need the bloke who was in charge of the brown paper bags not the salary cap

That was Uncle Nick.

 

[gato]

Let's be honest a lot of the roosters players that stepped up this year would be starters at all of the bottom 8 teams

 

[Needaname]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

No not missing the point. I know our recruitment is poor and I also know our current roster is not good enough to be playing finals footy. But if we had any of those top quality Roosters players in our side during the year there is every chance that some of those games we lost we would have performed better in, and scraped into the finals ie the two Warriors games. Even at their weakest those players still make their team a better one than ours and yet clearly they were outplayed by a much stronger team last night. It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

How did the Raiders go with their State of origin stars?

 

[Telltails]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

What is said perspective?

That a team considered weak in terms of a Roosters run on squad still had - Teddy Crichton JWH Tupounia Radley - and still got smashed by Manly puts into perspective the challenges we had in being able to match the better quality sides and why we are not playing finals.

 

[gallagher]

The team that is regularly mocked as having a “salary sombrero”, and they don’t seem to care, and 4 years ago they bought 2 x $1M players in a single recruitment session - well this year’s injury tolls show you just how far that salary sombrero stretches, that they can lose 7 or 8 established FG players and still make it to the finals with a fairly competent roster.

That is the one that really made me cranky, how do they sign two $1,000,000 players in one offseason to add to their already star studded roster, and the NRL say nothing to see here

Pearce and RTS both left.

RTS left 2 seasons prior. Who did leave though is the following;

EVANS, Kane (Parramatta)
GORDON, Michael (Gold Coast Titans)
GUERRA, Aidan (Newcastle)
KENNY-DOWALL, Shaun (Newcastle)
PEARCE, Mitchell (Newcastle)
SMITH, Christopher (Canterbury)
WATSON, Connor (Newcastle)
CARTER, Paul (Released)

Great cap management.

 

[gallagher]

The team that is regularly mocked as having a “salary sombrero”, and they don’t seem to care, and 4 years ago they bought 2 x $1M players in a single recruitment session - well this year’s injury tolls show you just how far that salary sombrero stretches, that they can lose 7 or 8 established FG players and still make it to the finals with a fairly competent roster.

That is the one that really made me cranky, how do they sign two $1,000,000 players in one offseason to add to their already star studded roster, and the NRL say nothing to see here

Pearce and RTS both left.

RTS left 2 seasons prior. Who did leave though is the following;

EVANS, Kane (Parramatta)
GORDON, Michael (Gold Coast Titans)
GUERRA, Aidan (Newcastle)
KENNY-DOWALL, Shaun (Newcastle)
PEARCE, Mitchell (Newcastle)
SMITH, Christopher (Canterbury)
WATSON, Connor (Newcastle)
CARTER, Paul (Released)

Great cap management. Good on em.

 

[Plisskin]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

What is said perspective?

That a team considered weak in terms of a Roosters run on squad still had - Teddy Crichton JWH Tupounia Radley - and still got smashed by Manly puts into perspective the challenges we had in being able to match the better quality sides and why we are not playing finals.

I think you are way off here.

To me, that Roosters side were pretty magnificent in the face of adversity this year.
Those 5 you mentioned were there last night but they missed a heap of games and training between them this year to injury, suspension and some rep footy. There were games this year that they were forced to field a reserve grade side and still competed. The fact they ran out of puff last night was testament to the enormous effort put in by their 30 man squad to finish 5th on the ladder and win their 1st week final. If I was a supporter of theirs I would be very satisfied with how they held themselves this season.
The Wests Tigers faced a fraction of that adversity and were atrocious most weeks. I am ashamed of their effort this season. They bordered on cowardly quite a few times.

Whilst the Roosters faced and met challenges involving injury, suspension and rep duties to their stars, the Wests Tigers ran and hid from their comparatively minor challenges, barely ever putting up a fight.

These two squads share no similarities and you are comparing mangoes with cat poo I’m afraid.

 

[boonboon]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

 

[Plisskin]

Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

An organised operation would have explored these options, understanding their viability well before the review began.
Just another example of incompetence with this lot.

 

[TigerTownSFS]

The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

What is said perspective?

That a team considered weak in terms of a Roosters run on squad still had - Teddy Crichton JWH Tupounia Radley - and still got smashed by Manly puts into perspective the challenges we had in being able to match the better quality sides and why we are not playing finals.

Head to Head if you had to make a combined team between that rag tag roosters team and our full strength team what would you get:

1. Tedesco
2. Tupou
3. Morris
4. Mbye
5. Maomalo
6. Douhie
7. Walker
8. JWH
9. Liddle
10. Stephano
11. Chrighton
12. Tupinoua
13. Radley

So maybe we get 4 out of our full strength team into their B team.

 

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Club undecided amd review is continuing. Want to be sure if they do sack Madge that they can get a better option. 2 key concerns are defence and recruitment and even if its just perception about players not wanting to come and play for Madge if that perception of him has become reality. Board understands the move to youth and supportive but are worried their doesent seem to be a good plan around the defence and making it better.

Defence and recruitment have been an epic fail, that alone is enough to move Madge on

 

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The Roosters did still have some stars, however JWH, Radley, Crichton, Teddy etc all missed games during the year for various reasons on top of their injury toll.
That side last night were exhausted because they busted their backsides to make the finals. THAT is the difference between their also rans and us. Our squad did not excert the required effort to win on many occasions this year.

Yeah read this on the NRL subreddit. The Roosters 2021 season summarised:
They used 34 players in total.
Made most errors and had worst completion rate in the competition .
Had multiple retirements, multiple season ending injuries and key players constantly missing.
Somehow still did better than 10 other teams.

Tigers used 31 players, Storm used 32. Cowboys used 34, Bulldogs 35. Broncos used 36. Warriors used 34, Dragons used 33. Eels used 32, Souths 31.

I think it's a bit of a myth how "deep" the injury toll was. Roosters had key injuries, prominent injuries, but didn't use particularly more players than anyone else. The average was something like 32 players per team in 2021.

C'mon @jirskyr it's too early for me to get into it. Especially over another team?
Think mostly everyone's view on them has been despite how understrengthened they've been there's still been some immense effort. Which was what I was emphasising.

Yes they are a very good side. Yes they always hang tough and are competitive consistently all year.

Reality is though Roosters were never within cooee of the Top 4 sides and we don't know if they would have been barring injuries. Roosters have been flogged every time they've come up against a top 4 side - they are 1 win and 7 losses against the Top 4, for-and-against of 110 to 250. That 110 includes a 46-4 win over Manly Round 1.

I just want to say it one time for myself: a team that's already very good and with a very deep roster doesn't impress me when they carry on despite a serious injury toll. The team that Roosters ran out last night, despite being tired and humbled by Manly, was arguably better than any side fielded by Tigers in 2021. That's not a slight on the Roosters, it's not their fault their team is so good, but it's not impressive to keep winning with a backup side better than half the comp's first-choice side.

Melbourne also had notable injuries - Munster missed a period, Papenhuyzen has only played 14 matches this year; Harry Grant has only played 13. Melbourne haven't missed a beat. Penrith hardly either despite Cleary going down.

This exactly . Their worst side is being measured against other teams below them that would kill to have Teddy, Crichton, Radley, Tupounia, in their side any week - and would significantly improve them. But for the Roosters this is considered a poor side.
Robinson says they trained well all week but just couldn't execute the plan.. heard that before translates to the other side were better than us.

You are missing the point.
Their worst side lost in the same fashion as the 10 lowest placed squads best sides did. The fact that this is the case is due to the poor recruitment and coaching of the bottom sides.
The Roosters have proven that lack of effort and preparation played a huge part in final ladder positions this year.

It puts into perspective why we finished where we did

What is said perspective?

That a team considered weak in terms of a Roosters run on squad still had - Teddy Crichton JWH Tupounia Radley - and still got smashed by Manly puts into perspective the challenges we had in being able to match the better quality sides and why we are not playing finals.

Head to Head if you had to make a combined team between that rag tag roosters team and our full strength team what would you get:

1. Tedesco
2. Tupou
3. Morris
4. Mbye
5. Maomalo
6. Douhie
7. Walker
8. JWH
9. Liddle
10. Stephano
11. Chrighton
12. Tupinoua
13. Radley

So maybe we get 4 out of our full strength team into their B team.

Can't argue with this. So we can't buy ourselves put of this mess. Let's hope some gun juniors are good, and we get some improvement out of what we have.