Tigers should be heavyweights

[balmain boy]

A lot of dribble in that. Yes we should be bigger and more successful than we are. But a nothing article, with nothing Ramy hasn't said before. Jack being clueless doesn't aid his credibility.

We need to focus on developing quality juniors so we have so many that we can't fit them all in, but cherry pick the ones we think are best prospects. Like the Panthers do.

Pascoe has put in place a system of people who can look after the footy side of things, and we seem to be targeting good young players and offloading old plodders. He shouldn't have anything to do and he doesn't have much to do other than rubber stamping what the experts say. if you employ the right people below you it makes your job a whole lot easier when you can delegate with confidence.

We can't do anything about Cleary's contract mess. The fact is we let him go too cheaply. That's my biggest criticism of Pascoe - when push comes to shove he rolls over. When other clubs have wanted Moses, Matto, Taupau, Paseka, Austin, Cleary we just let them go with nothing in return so they can be happy. Letting cleary go for 500k when he stuffed our cap by 2 million bucks for 3 years is very poor business. We should have tied the contract of someone like reynolds to cleary saying pay us 500k and take reynolds/mbye at full contract value and then you can coach your precious little son. Take it or leave it.

 

[JC99]

Same article different journo. I’ve read this article ten times a year for the last ten seasons.

And it's still as relevant as ever. BTW the comments about Pascoe are bang on. He needs to go.

Always is relevant but do we really need these articles pumped out 15 times a year when they’re all the exact same.

I don’t have an issue with Pascoe personally. I find it hard to blame on field issues and player recruitment on him when it’s not his job. Business wise he’s improved the club massively.

He's completely out of his depth. Any other club would have sacked him years ago. He's hopeless.

Meh, the numbers say otherwise. Profits, membership numbers, crowd numbers, tv ratings, merchandise sales all on the up.COVID might affect all that but from 2018-2019 we improved all of that. As much as you joke about the COE he’s helped bring that in too.

I wouldn’t be upset if he was shown the door as whatever CEO comes in should have a good platform to work with and as long as they’re not completely inept should continue the growth of our club. Would understand it from a footy point of view too. Guess we will have to wait and see what happens with him

I love how people say Pascoe made us a profit of 100k but cost the club a fine of 375k and handicapped us of 640k out of the salary cap ..
Needed to be punted then ...and now

The NRL pays for the salary cap, while the fine was bad it’s not like the club literally pays for it. We still ran a profit.

Yeah but his ineptness cost us $640k off our playing roster ..
He’s useless...and we still have 11 home grounds .

Yeah and it was his mistake that led to that, and it was bad. Does one mistake mean he’s useless though? And he didn’t sign the contract to make us play out of ANZ/Bankwest right? It was some crazy 10 year deal signed by someone else I think, can’t remember exactly

 

[JC99]

I wouldn’t have an issue if they did decide to get rid of Pascoe mind you, I just think he cops a lot of unfair blame for things that are out of his control.

 

[Sco77y]

Good to add some analysis to our situation, but I think he's over simplifying things. It comes down to not only the balance of experience, but also the quality of the veterans we've brought on board. Reynolds and McQueen for example were undoubtedly past it before we'd even signed them. I'm sure most, deep down knew that these were bad signing decisions at the time.

Then to enhance an already bad decision, the cap space and contracted years that were used on some of these players hamstrung us, making things very difficult if ever we couldn't have them in the squad and limiting our signing opportunities elsewhere.

It's easy to look at the figures and say we have an imbalance of experience to youth, but hey if Cameron Smith was part of that 'experience' I don't think there would be an issue to talk about.

 

[the_third]

Doesn’t :enticing any recruitment except the old guys. His story is about a year behind where the club is

 

[JC99]

Doesn’t :enticing any recruitment except the old guys. His story is about a year behind where the club is

He’s used Tamou as an example of tigers still doing the same thing and signing old guys

He must’ve missed all the other signing of guys that are like 24 and unders. There’s more young guys than old at the club next season.

 

[diedpretty]

Not sure I can blame Pascoe.

He didn't fire Sheens, He didn't hire or fire Mick Potter, he didn't hire JT. Most of our issues stem from the latter part of that tenure.

He did fire JT, took a 6 month hit for Farah, and hire Cleary - who at the time seemed like the best option available and one in which 99% of this forum supported. Cleary signed these nuffies and as most CEO's, he endorsed the coaches wish list.

His mate stabbed him fair in the back. No one saw it coming, least of all him.

He has dragged the joint venture from a mess into a profitable (still mess) but getting less messy by the day. Why anyone thinks rugby league cultures and mistaken signings can be fixed in a week is beyond me.

At this point in time, WT is aiming in a better direction. Good strong clubs aren't built on lucky decisions. They are built on strong business networks and sound financial decisions.

i agree - the problems with recruitment started with no real succession plan when Sheens wasn't resigned. Humphreys and Mayer were terrible CEOs and during their reign we had Potter who had no power as coach and JT who had no idea. Enter Pascoe and the Farah/Taylor fiasco, the Go backstabbing, the continual board infighting, Balmain going belly up and the NRL having part control and to top it off the hiring of the snake Cleary. His first few years as CEO were a nightmare - no other club had so much drama in such a short time. frame

 

[JC99]

Not sure I can blame Pascoe.

He didn't fire Sheens, He didn't hire or fire Mick Potter, he didn't hire JT. Most of our issues stem from the latter part of that tenure.

He did fire JT, took a 6 month hit for Farah, and hire Cleary - who at the time seemed like the best option available and one in which 99% of this forum supported. Cleary signed these nuffies and as most CEO's, he endorsed the coaches wish list.

His mate stabbed him fair in the back. No one saw it coming, least of all him.

He has dragged the joint venture from a mess into a profitable (still mess) but getting less messy by the day. Why anyone thinks rugby league cultures and mistaken signings can be fixed in a week is beyond me.

At this point in time, WT is aiming in a better direction. Good strong clubs aren't built on lucky decisions. They are built on strong business networks and sound financial decisions.


i agree - the problems with recruitment started with no real succession plan when Sheens wasn't resigned. Humphreys and Mayer were terrible CEOs and during their reign we had Potter who had no power as coach and JT who had no idea. Enter Pascoe and the Farah/Taylor fiasco, the Go backstabbing, the continual board infighting, Balmain going belly up and the NRL having part control and to top it off the hiring of the snake Cleary. His first few years as CEO were a nightmare - no other club had so much drama in such a short time. frame

It would be nice to have one season without drama lol

 

[Russell]

Well, I'm glad "The NRL Economist Ramy Haidar" has analysed the Wests Tigers and sorted out all the things that we have been doing incorrectly. Things like buying all these guys with too many caps that we are paying heaps for their performances up to when we signed them. I'm also glad how he mentioned that most of these were purchased by a lowlife scumbag, who broke his contract and raked off, leaving us holding the bag of exhorbitant signings, some till the end of 2022. Of course we didn't know all this, so thanks Ramy.

Was also excited how he highlighted that we purchased this old guy with many caps called James Tamou but failed to mention that we have signed....

Shawn Blore (Age: 20), Asu Kepaoa (Age: 20), Stefano Utoikamanu (Age: 20), resigned Luke Garner (Age: 25), Tommy Talau (Age: 20), Alex Twal (Age: 24), Adam Doueihi (Age:22), Reece Hoffman (Age: 19), Jacob Liddle (Age: 23), Jake Simpkin (Age: 18), Josh Aloiai (Age: 24), Luciano Leilua (Age: 24), Thomas Mikaele (Age: 22), Paul Momirovski (Age: 24), Jock Madden (Age: 20) and Zane Musgrove (Age: 24).

Hopeful of re- signing Sam McIntyre (Age: 22) in the next few weeks. So we have 10 players that are leaving at this stage, 17 players of our 34 incl. 4 dev players that are under 25 years for an average age of 21.8 years. Add the overpaid Packer, Mbye and Reynolds and we have a fairly young team. Hardly filled with overpriced players from yesteryear.

As for asking Gary Jack for his two cents worth - the guy obviously has an agenda against Pascoe (cut because no one is asking his opinion or to be a mentor) and is now starting to raise his ugly head as much as "Backdoor" Benny. Neither of their opinions are worth a two cent stamp.

As for your piece of tripe Ramy - The Wests Tigers are well aware of the problems however unless you break contracts it takes time to right the ship. In the meantime maybe you could work an an article that could be relevant.

 

[Strider]

I don't know how a club is run. Who is responsible for retaining young talent? Because whoever's job that is diabolical. The young stars we've lost. We need to fire that person and get someone new. Sure we have Blore, and a couple of other maybes. Nothing to what we've lost in the past 5/6 years.

 

[Russell]

Interesting read actually

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/wests-tigers-should-be-sydneys-nrl-giants-but-theyre-lightweights-because-of-this-flawed-strategy/news-story/08444b481dbd01e8e53c4be36f4420d5

Good read
Pascoe's a flog and needs to be punted

As the article states ... no more plodders but we went and signed yet another one
in Tamou

I think he plodded for 150m last game...

Yeah behind a gun pack

Some don’t just get it ...

I know Hobbo, but we are making allowances for you.

We’ll see old man...
And if you had your way Lawrence would’ve got 2 more years...
Same crap same years ....

That is incorrect and you know it.

Rowdy has run his race and knows it unlike that "Great playmaker" we have that wants to continue.

 

[dazza65]

Well, I'm glad "The NRL Economist Ramy Haidar" has analysed the Wests Tigers and sorted out all the things that we have been doing incorrectly. Things like buying all these guys with too many caps that we are paying heaps for their performances up to when we signed them. I'm also glad how he mentioned that most of these were purchased by a lowlife scumbag, who broke his contract and raked off, leaving us holding the bag of exhorbitant signings, some till the end of 2022. Of course we didn't know all this, so thanks Ramy.

Was also excited how he highlighted that we purchased this old guy with many caps called James Tamou but failed to mention that we have signed....

Shawn Blore (Age: 20), Asu Kepaoa (Age: 20), Stefano Utoikamanu (Age: 20), resigned Luke Garner (Age: 25), Tommy Talau (Age: 20), Alex Twal (Age: 24), Adam Doueihi (Age:22), Reece Hoffman (Age: 19), Jacob Liddle (Age: 23), Jake Simpkin (Age: 18), Josh Aloiai (Age: 24), Luciano Leilua (Age: 24), Thomas Mikaele (Age: 22), Paul Momirovski (Age: 24), Jock Madden (Age: 20) and Zane Musgrove (Age: 24).

Hopeful of re- signing Sam McIntyre (Age: 22) in the next few weeks. So we have 10 players that are leaving at this stage, 17 players of our 34 incl. 4 dev players that are under 25 years for an average age of 21.8 years. Add the overpaid Packer, Mbye and Reynolds and we have a fairly young team. Hardly filled with overpriced players from yesteryear.

As for asking Gary Jack for his two cents worth - the guy obviously has an agenda against Pascoe (cut because no one is asking his opinion or to be a mentor) and is now starting to raise his ugly head as much as "Backdoor" Benny. Neither of their opinions are worth a two cent stamp.

As for your piece of tripe Ramy - The Wests Tigers are well aware of the problems however unless you break contracts it takes time to right the ship. In the meantime maybe you could work an an article that could be relevant.

Couldn't agree more @Russell

I apologise, I was bored so a threw a grenade and sat back to watch the fun.....lol

 

[Russell]

Same article different journo. I’ve read this article ten times a year for the last ten seasons.

And it's still as relevant as ever. BTW the comments about Pascoe are bang on. He needs to go.

Always is relevant but do we really need these articles pumped out 15 times a year when they’re all the exact same.

I don’t have an issue with Pascoe personally. I find it hard to blame on field issues and player recruitment on him when it’s not his job. Business wise he’s improved the club massively.

He's completely out of his depth. Any other club would have sacked him years ago. He's hopeless.

Incorrect.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Same article different journo. I’ve read this article ten times a year for the last ten seasons.

And it's still as relevant as ever. BTW the comments about Pascoe are bang on. He needs to go.

Always is relevant but do we really need these articles pumped out 15 times a year when they’re all the exact same.

I don’t have an issue with Pascoe personally. I find it hard to blame on field issues and player recruitment on him when it’s not his job. Business wise he’s improved the club massively.

He's completely out of his depth. Any other club would have sacked him years ago. He's hopeless.

Incorrect.

Just because you like him doesn’t mean he’s a good operator.

 

[Newtown]

Well, I'm glad "The NRL Economist Ramy Haidar" has analysed the Wests Tigers and sorted out all the things that we have been doing incorrectly. Things like buying all these guys with too many caps that we are paying heaps for their performances up to when we signed them. I'm also glad how he mentioned that most of these were purchased by a lowlife scumbag, who broke his contract and raked off, leaving us holding the bag of exhorbitant signings, some till the end of 2022. Of course we didn't know all this, so thanks Ramy.

Was also excited how he highlighted that we purchased this old guy with many caps called James Tamou but failed to mention that we have signed....

Shawn Blore (Age: 20), Asu Kepaoa (Age: 20), Stefano Utoikamanu (Age: 20), resigned Luke Garner (Age: 25), Tommy Talau (Age: 20), Alex Twal (Age: 24), Adam Doueihi (Age:22), Reece Hoffman (Age: 19), Jacob Liddle (Age: 23), Jake Simpkin (Age: 18), Josh Aloiai (Age: 24), Luciano Leilua (Age: 24), Thomas Mikaele (Age: 22), Paul Momirovski (Age: 24), Jock Madden (Age: 20) and Zane Musgrove (Age: 24).

Hopeful of re- signing Sam McIntyre (Age: 22) in the next few weeks. So we have 10 players that are leaving at this stage, 17 players of our 34 incl. 4 dev players that are under 25 years for an average age of 21.8 years. Add the overpaid Packer, Mbye and Reynolds and we have a fairly young team. Hardly filled with overpriced players from yesteryear.

As for asking Gary Jack for his two cents worth - the guy obviously has an agenda against Pascoe (cut because no one is asking his opinion or to be a mentor) and is now starting to raise his ugly head as much as "Backdoor" Benny. Neither of their opinions are worth a two cent stamp.

As for your piece of tripe Ramy - The Wests Tigers are well aware of the problems however unless you break contracts it takes time to right the ship. In the meantime maybe you could work an an article that could be relevant.

It's sad when a player (Gallen) who had been should have retired years before he actually did has to make unsubstantiated comments about older player at Wests Tigers. Unfortunately he has to earn a living somehow otherwise he has to turn to getting belted in the boxing ring.

 

[Russell]

Every time I watch a game with someone who doesn't know NRL they say 'wow that guy is amazing!' I say, he used to play for Tigers. They say 'Oh really? wow' We haven't managed to retain one superstar we developed. Fire him lol. We are debating how Benji has affected the team but man, he isn't the CEO. CEO is a dud. A milhouse. We got the dud.

The DUD at the moment is one Benji Marshall not Pascoe.

JP is doinghis job - maybe Benji should do his!

 

[Strider]

Every time I watch a game with someone who doesn't know NRL they say 'wow that guy is amazing!' I say, he used to play for Tigers. They say 'Oh really? wow' We haven't managed to retain one superstar we developed. Fire him lol. We are debating how Benji has affected the team but man, he isn't the CEO. CEO is a dud. A milhouse. We got the dud.

The DUD at the moment is one Benji Marshall not Pascoe.

JP is doinghis job - maybe Benji should do his!

He is. He was contracted to play under JP and he's playing. He has one game left.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

When did Jack usurp Elias as the Balmain rent-a-quote?

They’re both terrible. What’s with the Balmain old boys talking crap about the club constantly. Don’t see them coming to help out they’re happy to give quotes to the paper though

Hey now, Elias helped deliver Balmain into insolvency.

 

[westy81]

We would be a heavy weight club if we could have kept all the good players we have released

 

[Russell]

Same article different journo. I’ve read this article ten times a year for the last ten seasons.

And it's still as relevant as ever. BTW the comments about Pascoe are bang on. He needs to go.

Always is relevant but do we really need these articles pumped out 15 times a year when they’re all the exact same.

I don’t have an issue with Pascoe personally. I find it hard to blame on field issues and player recruitment on him when it’s not his job. Business wise he’s improved the club massively.

He's completely out of his depth. Any other club would have sacked him years ago. He's hopeless.

Incorrect.

Just because you like him doesn’t mean he’s a good operator.

The same goes in reverse, because you don't like him and his haircut doesn't make him a bad CEO.