Tigers star's scheme to beat summer calories

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I thought he was starting to find his feet towards the end of the yr. That game against the Sharks in particular, he showed glimpses of his old self. I'm prepared to see how he goes after a good, injury free off-season. He almost crippled himself, he deserves a chance to repay the faith the club has shown in him. **Too bad some of the supporters are too fickle to give the guy a chance.**

:laughing: People questioning Lawrence's ability to get back to his best has got nothing to do with fickleness. How many chances are you prepared to give someone who is severely underperforming? Wonder if you would be willing to give Moltzen, Blair, BMM etc (or any other of our players that have been labelled as underperforming over the years) the same leeway?

Fair dinkum, if some people on here were in charge of running our team roster we would have a team full of "great blokes" who are playing footy like busted arses. Probably the same people who consistently bagged Sheens and questioned his knowledge.

Not much room for sentiment in modern footy, perform or someone else will take your spot.

Nobody is saying don't give him another chance but who wants to see emerging talent moved on while blindly living in hope?

**Firstly comparing Lawrence to Moltzen is completely idiotic in the extreme. Lawrence was on the verge of being the best centre in the game at the time of his injury, something Moltzen cannot claim to have been, not to mention as serious as Timid's injury was, Lawrences was 10 times as worse.** Secondly, your eyes must have been painted on BMM was a beast towards the end of the yr, and i've been one of Blair's only supporters, particularly this yr with his move into the front row, he improved considerably.

And something perhaps you chose to ignore before going off half cocked was i said i thought Lawrence was showing good signs towards the end of the yr, hence i don't see any reason why he should be let go.

Thanks for the prognosis Doc :wink:

Moltzen can't claim to be a once-great centre because I don't think he has played there in 1st grade, has he?

BMM has copped plenty of crap on here by people saying that he isn't up to it. Don't automatically get your pout going and assume it was you alone that was being referred to.
Who the hell is saying let Lawrence go FFS? Pretty sure most teams would have a policy of looking into the viabilty of an underperforming players future contract, why should WT be any different?

As for Lawrence being close to the best centre in the game a couple of years ago…..fair to say not too many people who aren't Tigers supporters would agree there TBH. He would of been in the queue behind Hodges and Lyon at least, and wasn't Inglis still playing in the centres at that stage also?

As has been stated time after time by many people, we all hope Rowdy can get back to his best but if not, look elsewhere. Simple really.

 

[Eye_Of_Da_Tiger]

If any one can recover and prove most wrong it's this guy. Rowdy is a true professional and dedicated 100%. I hope o see him t his best again

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I thought he was starting to find his feet towards the end of the yr. That game against the Sharks in particular, he showed glimpses of his old self. I'm prepared to see how he goes after a good, injury free off-season. He almost crippled himself, he deserves a chance to repay the faith the club has shown in him. **Too bad some of the supporters are too fickle to give the guy a chance.**

:laughing: People questioning Lawrence's ability to get back to his best has got nothing to do with fickleness. How many chances are you prepared to give someone who is severely underperforming? Wonder if you would be willing to give Moltzen, Blair, BMM etc (or any other of our players that have been labelled as underperforming over the years) the same leeway?

Fair dinkum, if some people on here were in charge of running our team roster we would have a team full of "great blokes" who are playing footy like busted arses. Probably the same people who consistently bagged Sheens and questioned his knowledge.

Not much room for sentiment in modern footy, perform or someone else will take your spot.

Nobody is saying don't give him another chance but who wants to see emerging talent moved on while blindly living in hope?

**Firstly comparing Lawrence to Moltzen is completely idiotic in the extreme. Lawrence was on the verge of being the best centre in the game at the time of his injury, something Moltzen cannot claim to have been, not to mention as serious as Timid's injury was, Lawrences was 10 times as worse.** Secondly, your eyes must have been painted on BMM was a beast towards the end of the yr, and i've been one of Blair's only supporters, particularly this yr with his move into the front row, he improved considerably.

And something perhaps you chose to ignore before going off half cocked was i said i thought Lawrence was showing good signs towards the end of the yr, hence i don't see any reason why he should be let go.

Thanks for the prognosis Doc :wink:

Moltzen can't claim to be a once-great centre because I don't think he has played there in 1st grade, has he?

BMM has copped plenty of crap on here by people saying that he isn't up to it. Don't automatically get your pout going and assume it was you alone that was being referred to.
**Who the hell is saying let Lawrence go FFS?**Pretty sure most teams would have a policy of looking into the viabilty of an underperforming players future contract, why should WT be any different?

As for Lawrence being close to the best centre in the game a couple of years ago…..fair to say not too many people who aren't Tigers supporters would agree there TBH. He would of been in the queue behind Hodges and Lyon at least, and wasn't Inglis still playing in the centres at that stage also?

As has been stated time after time by many people, we all hope Rowdy can get back to his best but if not, look elsewhere. Simple really.

Isn't that what you've been saying this entire thread If he's not up to scratch let him go?

As for Moltzen. i was referring to whichever position he plies his trade.

 

[system]

It is always a fear that coming in to pre season too fit may occur.

You run a machine at peak performance and it becomes vulnerable

 

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GNR, yep absolutely that is what I have been saying but if you can read it quite clearly refers to him playing in 2014 but reassess his contract based on his performances next year.

Pretty idiotic really to use Moltzen as your example then if he plays an entirely different position isn't it? Like comparing apples and pushbikes.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

GNR, yep absolutely that is what I have been saying but if you can read it quite clearly refers to him playing in 2014 but reassess his contract based on his performances next year.

Pretty idiotic really to use Moltzen as your example then if he plays an entirely different position isn't it? Like comparing apples and pushbikes.

Lol you're the on who brought Moltzen into it. I was making a statement about your comparison.

Bloody hell.

 

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I used Moltzen as an example of how much time he will be given leeway to perform at his best after his 2nd knee reconstruction.

You brought him into your argument by saying he couldn't call himself "on the verge of being the best centre in the game at the time of his injury", as I said, you are comparing a bloke who doesn't even play in that position. Im not real good at deciphering Chinese Arithmetic unfortunately.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I used Moltzen as an example of how much time he will be given leeway to perform at his best after his 2nd knee reconstruction.

**You brought him into your argument by saying he couldn't call himself "on the verge of being the best centre in the game at the time of his injury",** as I said, you are comparing a bloke who doesn't even play in that position. Im not real good at deciphering Chinese Arithmetic unfortunately.

Because you brought him into it first by saying no one would have had patience with him, and i was pointing out that that would be because there is a bit of a gap in their abilities with Lawrence having been almost the best in the world at his trade at the time, something Moltzen can never claim to have been at his trade, whatever it may well be.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

1200 calories in one session?!?!
wow

that actually sounds unhealthy

I do a 9.4km run once or twice a fortnight and I do it in about an hour.

According to my runmeter I burn approx 3900kJ which is about 900 calories in the old money.

Rowdy's session includes weights as well, so 1200 calories for a high performance athlete in about 75 mins sounds very achievable for him.

 

[pHyR3]

doing weight would lower the amount of energy burnt. Dunno why people think lifting weights = fat loss.

Which would burn more calories, moving 100kg 1 metres 10 times (i.e. 2 sets of 5 bench press) or moving 90kg 1,000metres….? so, running for 5 minutes.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I didn't articulate that very well Phyre. My point was meant to say that if I can burn 900 calories in 1 hour and I am by no means a star athlete, then even with weights Rowdy still should do 1200 calories in a session only 15 mins longer as he is a very well tuned athlete.

 

[pHyR3]

Ah right, that's true. Although this is his offseaso haha. As he said, a lotta people just lounge around for a month.

So burning 1200 calories is quite good several times a week.

 

[happy_tiger]

Lawrence has to reinvent himself if he doesn't this will be his last season at the Tigers, I believe a leaner ,lighter and faster frame has to be aimed for .I see Lawrence over the past as muscle bound and this in tern has slowed him down and hindered his movement. What ever he has been doing in the past is not working ..good luck but a different philosophy is required at least he is looking after himself after footy with his business as this could be full time come 2015.

I think that this is a common statement that is incorrect. 100 metre runners have to be beasts.

100 metre runners and footballers have completely different types of speed

A rugby league player should be at top speed within 15-20 metres

100 metre runner are still winding up at the 30-40 metre mark

 

[jirskyr]

doing weight would lower the amount of energy burnt. Dunno why people think lifting weights = fat loss.

Which would burn more calories, moving 100kg 1 metres 10 times (i.e. 2 sets of 5 bench press) or moving 90kg 1,000metres….? so, running for 5 minutes.

That's not quite right. For starters in your example you are using different muscles. If you use a muscle exactly how it is designed, you don't use as much energy because it is so efficient. Furthermore by your logic, increasing the duration / length and reducing the load burns more energy. In fact recent research shows that short period high intensity workouts are actually superior to low intensity long period for energy expenditure. Same as walking 10 km is not necessarily superior to running 1 km just because it's longer.

Hence the current mentality towards cross-training, where you shock the body by constantly mixing up the type and focus of exercise. The body stays at high heart rate, high stress for acute periods of time and appear to be one of the better ways for losing weight. All cross-fit regimes include weight lifting, even if it's just your own weight like pushups.

 

[mtd]

anyone on twitter able to get a breakdown of his workouts? pretty interested, might try myself.

 

[pHyR3]

Cross training is not purely about losing weight, it also includes, strength and general fitness. TO lose weight you simply need to burn as many calories as possible per day. And, although I haven't looked greatly into it, the best way would be keeping your heart rate at 60-80% for 30-45min a day while dieting properly.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Cross training is not purely about losing weight, it also includes, strength and general fitness. TO lose weight you simply need to burn as many calories as possible per day. And, although I haven't looked greatly into it, the best way would be keeping your heart rate at 60-80% for 30-45min a day while dieting properly.

That's it, it's just energy deficit. You burn more than you take in.

I was 95kg four months ago, and I'm down to 78kg just by eating fresh food only, laying off the piss and running on average half an hour a day after work.