Tigers who are regressing.........

[Knuckles]

Lawrence is carrying both shoulder and hammy issues

**A full off season will fix that you would hope**

Ayshford is definitely 2nd year syndrome imo

Teams have worked him out and now he has to take steps to become a better all round footballer

great, so we're accepting that this season is just a total write-off for lawrence? i miss his old form 😢

NO WAY !
Lawrence Of Leumeah shall return !

 

[steve-o]

Lawrence is carrying both shoulder and hammy issues

**A full off season will fix that you would hope**

Ayshford is definitely 2nd year syndrome imo

Teams have worked him out and now he has to take steps to become a better all round footballer

great, so we're accepting that this season is just a total write-off for lawrence? i miss his old form 😢

NO WAY !
Lawrence Of Leumeah shall return !

i hope you're right knuckles! :sign:

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Being realistic fellas, we have looked good for the odd half here or there this season and that's it. We haven't looked anywhere near as good as we did during the ten game streak last season or the team that went within an inch of the GF in 2010.

On paper we looked stronger this season than 2010 and 11, so what's gone wrong? I think it comes down to regression and the reality that some players have gone over the hill in their careers + some are going backwards fast.

Lote = not even close to the player he was in 2010 (and even then he wasn't close to the player he was at Brisbane) Reality is that he's done. Yes, he may have one or two strong games from this point on…but at his age and with a broken down body, there's no way he'll turn in good games week after week. He's going backwards fast.

Lawrence = this is painful to write...it's tragic to see a bloke who was the game's third best center last season and a certainty for a long NSW career.........now become a below average center at club level. He's just not the same player after that horrific injury. He may never be again.

Ayshford = turned in a great second half of the season in 2011 and looked like he could be anything. In 2012 he's dead set done nothing. Absolutely invisible almost all season and a liability at times. Hard to say what's gone wrong? No excuses, no injuries........what's gone wrong? Going backwards rapidly in 2012.

Heighno = geez...this one is too obvious. He peaked in 2008 and has declined ever since, but thisyear that decline has been rapid. Capable of the odd decent defensive game here and there, but mixes it in with inept games and is the biggest liability in the NRL in attack.

Blair = Tiger 99 keeps saying "he's the ultimate professional and does all the little things right"...but so do Jeff Robson, John Morris and Todd Lowrie and they all do it for a bus ride to the game and free beer afterwards. Dead set for $450 000 a year, Blair needs to help WIN games....GET INVOLVED...SHOW SOME AGGRESSION...ACTUALLY HIT THE BALL UP...He's had three decent games all season. Last season he was referred to commonly as part of the 'big four' and 'the world's best forward'........this season he's a solid first grader (at best) who has not really impacted more than a game or two. MASSIVE regression.

Throw in that guys like Utai, Reddy and Bell all are past their best years also.........and you suddenly see a trend here. We've got well over half who have peaked and are going backwards.

You were going good until you mentioned Utai.
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[LaT]

The only way is up for Lawrence and Ayshford.

 

[supercoach]

We keep pointing our fingers at individuals but really rugby league is a game about team work and when that fails the team fails. Against the Knights the defensive line was slow and staggered and the attack was disjointed and without purpose. I do think their are players who have declined but their are others who have improved. Its very fine line between winning and loosing and this group of players have the ability but have lost the desire, they look tired and going through the motion. I really think Sheens got the red hot out poker two months ago after such a poor start to the season and now they have ran their race. Its not all doom and gloom and they will fall over the line into the final series but after being the bookies pick in January it will end up a dud year

 

[clokan]

Lawrence = this is painful to write…it's tragic to see a bloke who was the game's third best center last season and a certainty for a long NSW career.........now become a below average center at club level. He's just not the same player after that horrific injury. He may never be again.

He will come good, I believe his current form has nothing to do with his hip dislocation, he made the Australian side and was in great for toward the end of last year, didn't seem to bother him then. I suspect that tiger99 is right, he's carrying some injuries (unrelated to the dislocation). I'm confident we will see his best this year.

 

[fergiefurr]

We are back to what we were 2007-2009

It all comes back to not having a genuine halfback, when we had Lui we came in the top 4 two years in a row.

It effects the whole team.
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[stryker]

Lawrence is carrying both shoulder and hammy issues

**A full off season will fix that you would hope**

Ayshford is definitely 2nd year syndrome imo

Teams have worked him out and now he has to take steps to become a better all round footballer

great, so we're accepting that this season is just a total write-off for lawrence? i miss his old form 😢

And if he gets rest \surgery he may need you could right the season off also

Yeah well to be honest I reckon he should do that and let someone else finish the season off for him.

We could bring an under 20's player up and lose nothing.

 

[Tigermac]

Lawrence is carrying both shoulder and hammy issues

**A full off season will fix that you would hope**

Ayshford is definitely 2nd year syndrome imo

Teams have worked him out and now he has to take steps to become a better all round footballer

great, so we're accepting that this season is just a total write-off for lawrence? i miss his old form 😢

And if he gets rest \surgery he may need you could right the season off also

**Yeah well to be honest I reckon he should do that and let someone else finish the season off for him.\
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We could bring an under 20's player up and lose nothing.**

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Wow, that's a bit harsh!!!

While I agree his attack and speed are nowhere near the Lawrence we know, his defence is still pretty rock solid.

Do you want to see what happended on our right side against the knights also happen on the left??

 

[happy_tiger]

We are back to what we were 2007-2009

It all comes back to not having a genuine halfback, when we had Lui we came in the top 4 two years in a row.

It effects the whole team.
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Yep you are very right Fergie

 

[jirskyr]

Lawrence is carrying both shoulder and hammy issues

**A full off season will fix that you would hope**

Ayshford is definitely 2nd year syndrome imo

Teams have worked him out and now he has to take steps to become a better all round footballer

great, so we're accepting that this season is just a total write-off for lawrence? i miss his old form 😢

And if he gets rest \surgery he may need you could right the season off also

**Yeah well to be honest I reckon he should do that and let someone else finish the season off for him.\
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We could bring an under 20's player up and lose nothing.**

**Rowdy had a good back end 2011 even after his hip injury and then after he came back from the hammy; I don't think those injuries are to blame.\
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If we remember back to Robbie playing with a busted groin last year, some players carry fairly severe injuries that affect their performances somewhat. Still solid first graders until they get 100% fit, but people notice that small lack of spark.**

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Lote = not even close to the player he was in 2010 (and even then he wasn't close to the player he was at Brisbane) Reality is that he's done. Yes, he may have one or two strong games from this point on…but at his age and with a broken down body, there's no way he'll turn in good games week after week. He's going backwards fast.

Lawrence = this is painful to write...it's tragic to see a bloke who was the game's third best center last season and a certainty for a long NSW career.........now become a below average center at club level. He's just not the same player after that horrific injury. He may never be again.

Ayshford = turned in a great second half of the season in 2011 and looked like he could be anything. In 2012 he's dead set done nothing. Absolutely invisible almost all season and a liability at times. Hard to say what's gone wrong? No excuses, no injuries........what's gone wrong? Going backwards rapidly in 2012.

Heighno = geez...this one is too obvious. He peaked in 2008 and has declined ever since, but thisyear that decline has been rapid. Capable of the odd decent defensive game here and there, but mixes it in with inept games and is the biggest liability in the NRL in attack.

Blair = Tiger 99 keeps saying "he's the ultimate professional and does all the little things right"...but so do Jeff Robson, John Morris and Todd Lowrie and they all do it for a bus ride to the game and free beer afterwards. Dead set for $450 000 a year, Blair needs to help WIN games....GET INVOLVED...SHOW SOME AGGRESSION...ACTUALLY HIT THE BALL UP...He's had three decent games all season. Last season he was referred to commonly as part of the 'big four' and 'the world's best forward'........this season he's a solid first grader (at best) who has not really impacted more than a game or two. MASSIVE regression.

Throw in that guys like Utai, Reddy and Bell all are past their best years also.........and you suddenly see a trend here. We've got well over half who have peaked and are going backwards.

Agree about Lawrence, Ayshford, Heighington and Tuqiri, all of them have to improve.
Blair is a very good player, probably it takes time to adapt from highly structured way he used to play to mostly improvised game at Tigers. He had a few solid games, I think he will improve and hopefully become affective as Ellis.

Do not agree about Utai and Bell. Utai never played better, he blossomed this season.
The same applies to Bell, he was not this good at Panthers.

Woods, BMM, Fulton and Ryan continue to improve, they all stepped to another level, except few initial games, I think the same applies to Moltzen.

IMHO, Farah Galloway are much better than last year.

Sironen is potentially 'franchise player' and hopefully Tedesco will become 'new Hodgo' and fulfil are great hopes.

Our bench players like Cashmere, Moors, Humble and Meaney were solid when given a chance.

Go Tigers

 

[alex]

My brief summary of the squad…

1\. Moltzen - Always takes half a season to hit his strides. Best form was back end of '11 - not there yet
2\. Utai - Career best form, playing to his strengths and seems to be enjoying his footy
3\. Ryan - Gone to another level this year. Playing with confidence and skill. Unlucky to not get a rep jersey
4\. Lawrence - Evidently struggling with injuries as noted by Tiger99\. Showed improvements the last 2 weeks
5\. Tuqiri - Again, evidently struggling. I cringe whenever the ball heads in his direction, in attack and D
6\. Ayshford - Was destructive the last two seasons. Have teams figured him out? He doesn't seem interested at all
7\. Benji - Developing into that mature player. Still has a few things to get out of his game but he's going well
8\. Woods - Wow. Enough said
9\. Farah - Playing his best footy this year IMO. His attitude, grit, and determination is what you want in a captain
10\. Galloway - Having a very strong year, both in form and his fitness. Working well with Woods
11\. Blair - Getting pretty impatient with him. Enough has been said on him so wont dwell on it
12\. Bell - Great pick up. Doesn't set the world on fire but you know what you'll get from him
13\. Heighno - In the same boat as Lote. Served the club well but not providing the impact we need

14\. Iosefa - Going okay. Not doing anything Politoni can't. Would've preferred Pat to have been given a go
15\. BMM - Was very unimpressed with him last year. Having great impact off the bench. Should stay running wide
16\. Reddy - Has shown some maturity in his play out wide (esp under the high ball). Had a poor game last week
17\. Cashy - Great buy. Love watching him play. If he maintains form would like to see him go round next year

Others:
Fulton - Best season yet. Unsung hero in the team
Humble - Seems to be this year's Mitch Brown. I liked what I saw of him at fullback. Should've stayed there
Moors - Been solid in his few appearances but not given enough game time.
Sironen - Taken to first grade like a duck to water. Hope he isn't rushed through/seen as our saviour - need to nurse him through

 

[Brisbane_Tiger]

Great thread, i agree with what most are saying.
I would like to add that although i don't think we are in the same class as full strength Manly, Storm, Broncs or Dogs i do give us a shot if we can remain full strength for the remainder of the season and Sirro stays fit.

I's not that i think sirro is the next lockyer, its because as Fergie said, You cannot win games with out a halfback!
While we have Benji at 7 we need a solid 6 and sirro is that 6.

1, 6, 7 and 9 is so important and our spine looks good at full strength (i don't rate Moltsen that highly but i know he is a confidence player so if the team plays well he will play well.

I really think our spine is right up there top 4, storm and Manly are probably the only better spines in the comp.
Broncos, sharks and dogs forwards are showing there poor halves the way.

 

[happy_tiger]

Well said Alex

With Cashmere you could add "Don't give away stupid penalties ever again "

 

[red_dogg]

u will never see the tigers drop players cause majority of our cap is spent on 18 players, the main reason players are rushed back early from injury, why players play with injurys and why we play so poor when we have players out.Which is the main reason why we dont play the grinding style that wins you most games…
Our biggest problem is our back row and halves this yr....
Our backrow arnt getting through the work and galloway,woods and farah are picking up the slack... there stats are amazing considering we dont have a decent prop on the bench where most sides have 2.
Ive never seen a side win as many games as us when you basicly have a new halves combo every wk... no wonder lawerence and lote are struggling...where ryan is basiclly playing as a winger in the right side centre possie, most of his tries are from chasing kicks and ryan and utai runs aremostly from dummy half

 

[badger]

I wonder if this post would have been made if we had won one of our last two matches, Probably not, I dont recon you can put our currant malaize down to a few players being "past it". Its got more to our mental state particularly in defence. Dont forget Fults has been out for those two matches and we havent had gareth for most of the year as well. IMO we still have a solid team and should realy compete well for the remainder of the season. I personaly am looking forward to being part of the ride although I to get frustrated with the seemingly lack of effort at times and all the games we loose but should win.