Tim Simona - Deregistered

I think the ones showing no mercy think those of us who want to see him looked after means that we feel sorry for him and think his penalty is too harsh. Wrong. It just means we don't want to see the guy hurt himself. The impact of that would be resounding. Someone mentioned earlier the affect on the playing group. And i call bull on all the bravado that some wouldn't care. Yes you would.
 
Its funny you all jump to the conclusion that when a guy gets busted doing something bad he will end his life. People get busted doing worse everyday.
 
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Its funny you all jump to the conclusion that when a guy gets busted doing something bad he will end his life. People get busted doing worse everyday.

Yeah but its not National News , is it ??
 
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Its funny you all jump to the conclusion that when a guy gets busted doing something bad he will end his life. People get busted doing worse everyday.

And people end their life everyday doing a whole lot less then Simona has.
If had to pick two players from the Tigs that I thought could never be involved in something like this, it would have been Lawrence and Simona.
Hope he gets the help he needs.
On the up side, cap is sorted and the rat is out of the pack.
Bring on the Panthers!
 
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Its funny you all jump to the conclusion that when a guy gets busted doing something bad he will end his life. People get busted doing worse everyday.

Yeah, but does it happen in the public view the way its happened to Simona? Will they walk down the street with strangers gazing at them? His name is mud now and will be for the rest of his life. He'll be a walking punchline. That doesn't happen to most people.
 
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I'd bet he's probably close to being broke

You think? That's not possible surely.

He's in this situation because of gambling debts. Ink isn't far from the mark.

Right - got ya. Then there's an argument that the NRL should be all over his treatment given their prolific betting promotions. And the club I guess as well if we're now affiliated with betting.

I found it hard to have solicitors on the front of our kit, having a betting agency on the back, well personally it is abhorrent to me that WT have taken that road.
 
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I think the ones showing no mercy think those of us who want to see him looked after means that we feel sorry for him and think his penalty is too harsh. Wrong. It just means we don't want to see the guy hurt himself. The impact of that would be resounding. Someone mentioned earlier the affect on the playing group. And i call bull on all the bravado that some wouldn't care. Yes you would.

Ignoring his contribution as player I have never really liked Tim. He has aways come across as a smart arse and a punk in interviews. There was always a hint of arrogance and a fair dose of stupidity.

But I actually do feel sorry for him. That doesn't mean I think they should not throw the book at him. They should. But I also recognise people make mistakes (obviously not usually as big as this). Human beings are complex. The fact that someone does a terrible thing doesn't necessarily make them a terrible person.

The reality is the bloke will likely be facing prison time if he has done what the media suggested. The last thing he has to worry about at this point in time is his footy career.
 
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I might be in the minority however I just hope he is ok.His career is over and that is enough punishment.

The things he was doing speak of a desperate man with some mental issues and addictions.

Obviously it's shocking from a Tigers point of view and there is a part of me that is angry. However I wish no harm on him I hope his life improves from this.

Agreed.

This situation is more a reflection of our society than the man… Cigarette advertising is banned because of the negative influence it had on people, yet gaming advertising is rampant... To assume that everyone has sufficient self control to make informed decisions about gambling, just because they say 'gamble responsibly' at the end of the advert is ignorant... Not everyone is blessed with a reasonable upbringing that allows them the basis for making sensible decisions... Maybe thats the case for Simona?

People generally aren't inherently bad, however seeing some of the comments on here it would seem some think Simona is... To me his behaviour is more that of a man who is desperate and / or naive, rather than a man who is a bad person...
 
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Its funny you all jump to the conclusion that when a guy gets busted doing something bad he will end his life. People get busted doing worse everyday.

Yeah, but does it happen in the public view the way its happened to Simona? Will they walk down the street with strangers gazing at them? His name is mud now and will be for the rest of his life. He'll be a walking punchline. That doesn't happen to most people.

So what that he will be a walking punchline though…...none of this is an accident. He is a lowlife maggot who has shafted his teammates, charity (does not get any lower than that), the club and fans. Couldn't care less about him.
 
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I might be in the minority however I just hope he is ok.His career is over and that is enough punishment.

The things he was doing speak of a desperate man with some mental issues and addictions.

Obviously it's shocking from a Tigers point of view and there is a part of me that is angry. However I wish no harm on him I hope his life improves from this.

While I know he did the wrong thing, I hope he has the support around him to help him to get back on track.
 
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I might be in the minority however I just hope he is ok.His career is over and that is enough punishment.

The things he was doing speak of a desperate man with some mental issues and addictions.

Obviously it's shocking from a Tigers point of view and there is a part of me that is angry. However I wish no harm on him I hope his life improves from this.

While I know he did the wrong thing, I hope he has the support around him to help him to get back on track.

The greatest thing any of us can do as human beings is learn from our mistakes,we ALL make them no matter how large or small.As humans we also have 2 very good traits COMPASSION and UNDERSTANDING..Tim has a difficult road ahead of him to recover his dignity and to reflect on what he has done,that in itself wiil be very hard,in my opinion he does need help from wherever that comes from he will need it..we can all call for his head and call him all the names under the sun,however,the last thing we should be calling for or hoping for is that it gets to much for him and he tries to end his life,life is a precious thing that you only get one chance at,many take life for granted and live life to the fullest,others make terrible mistakes and we as humans should be there in whatever form to help anyone who suggests suicide it is not the outcome we want for Tim..
I personally hope he gets the help he needs and can eventually understand the error of his actions and how it has affected not only himself but others…good luck Tim....
 
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I might be in the minority however I just hope he is ok.His career is over and that is enough punishment.

The things he was doing speak of a desperate man with some mental issues and addictions.

Obviously it's shocking from a Tigers point of view and there is a part of me that is angry. However I wish no harm on him I hope his life improves from this.

I don't think you are in the minority' here, I'm absolutely disgusted and sickened by what he has done.
Also the damage he has caused to the West Tigers brand.
I hope that he gets all the support he needs from the club and the NRL, as the last thing I want to see is another Ryan Tandy ending to this.
U don't think there is a super league or French rugby club that will touch him.
As a sportsman his career is over.
 
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I might be in the minority however I just hope he is ok.His career is over and that is enough punishment.

The things he was doing speak of a desperate man with some mental issues and addictions.

Obviously it's shocking from a Tigers point of view and there is a part of me that is angry. However I wish no harm on him I hope his life improves from this.

Agreed.

This situation is more a reflection of our society than the man… Cigarette advertising is banned because of the negative influence it had on people, yet gaming advertising is rampant... To assume that everyone has sufficient self control to make informed decisions about gambling, just because they say 'gamble responsibly' at the end of the advert is ignorant... Not everyone is blessed with a reasonable upbringing that allows them the basis for making sensible decisions... Maybe thats the case for Simona?

People generally aren't inherently bad, however seeing some of the comments on here it would seem some think Simona is... To me his behaviour is more that of a man who is desperate and / or naive, rather than a man who is a bad person...

Im sure the real Tim Simona…. The person he was before he become a gambling addict.... Is very different to the Tim we're reading about.
Many don't understand the drugs!, The booze, the gambling for those addicted to the things, it changes the person into someone they're not... It's always bad... The addiction controls the person
Im sure we all know smokers.... Yet they continue to poison themselves... Shelling out ridiculous prices for something that will turn to ash and their lungs to gloop... The pictures on the packets of gangrene limbs and throats with holes in them are no deterrent because the denial tells them "that won't happen to me"
The addiction takes over and controls the addict
 
Well it seems that Tim has really screwed up and will now have to forge another career path
I would hope that the club and the NRL will support him in doing so - in view that gambling on the game is encouraged to increase interest in the code - the irony cant go unnoticed
NRL players are often more vulnerable to societies temptations having too much time, money, and the profile to attract people to them who may have ill intentions. In years gone by pretty sure clubs would have kept many indiscretions in house and handled them privately out of public view Tims case will resonate with some, but young minds will often make poor choices and if you want to contract them to your organisation as teenagers, then there has to be some proviision to support them if and when things go south
 
The sad thing is the stories are now starting about known issues, long standing concern around the company he was keeping etc and yet nobody stepped in to try to set him on the right path. Surely an "injury" could have been manufactured to get him away from the game and some influences in his life.
I do not really think much of most player managers, surely they should be helping their clients grow as people to help set up post football options, rather than simply trying to negotiate the biggest contract and taking their %.
 
Tim Simona bet on opponent Benji Marshall to score tries against Wests Tigers
Michael Chammas - SMH

Tim Simona threw his NRL career away gambling on rugby league and walked away $400 out of pocket.

Fairfax Media can reveal Simona placed $600 worth of bets on rugby league matches at an average of $12 per investment, winning just $200 from the bets that on Friday saw the Wests Tigers centre deregistered from the NRL indefinitely.
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As reported by Fairfax Media last month, Simona bet on opposition players he was marking to score tries against his club, but was also found guilty of betting against his team to win.

One of the matches he gambled on was last year's round 20 clash against St George Illawarra, placing a small bet on former teammate and then Dragons halfback Benji Marshall to score the first try against the Tigers in his 250th NRL appearance.

A leading bookmaker also took bets on Dragons fullback Adam Quinlan,​ who bagged a double in the Tigers' 25-12 win at ANZ Stadium on July 24, to be first try scorer in the same match.

Simona was unsuccessful in his bets, with Quinlan and Marshall – who spent three years with Simona at the Wests Tigers between 2011 and 2013 – combining in a backline play to set up winger Kurt Mann for the first try of the match.

Mann's try in the fifth minute of the game during the Men of League round was scored on the opposite side of the field to where Simona was defending.

The match was the first game played after Tigers coach Jason Taylor's controversial decision to axe Robbie Farah to NSW Cup.

This was just one of several matches Simona bet on opposition players or teams he was playing against, however not all of his 50-odd bets involved matches the Tigers were playing in.

After a thorough examination of the matches Simona bet on, the NRL found no evidence to suggest he was involved in match-fixing throughout his 79-game career at the Tigers.

"We don't have evidence that he changed his performance to try to win those bets and that's something the player denies," NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg said.

Greenberg and new chief operating officer Nick Weeks announced Simona's deregistration on Friday afternoon, and while they didn't slam the door shut on an NRL return, they admitted it would be unlikely Simona would be allowed to return to the competition.

"This is an extremely sad situation," Greenberg said.

"Tim Simona has a serious personal problem and he has expressed some remorse. He has worked very hard to become an elite athlete and an elite rugby league player. He has now thrown that away. The game will continue to care for him. He will be provided with the welfare and assistance he needs in this very difficult time.

"But based on the evidence we have identified, it is very hard to imagine that Tim Simona will be registered with the NRL any time in the future. Our fans must have trust in the game and our fans must have trust in the players. Our assessment is this is an isolated incident and Tim Simona acted alone. But when someone considered breaching that trust, we will ensure they are removed form the game."

The NRL issued Simona with a notice of intention to deregister his contract last month after a tip-off from his ex-girlfriend, who is believed to have placed the bets on his behalf.

A series of text messages between the pair was central to the NRL's investigation, which concluded on Friday when Weeks informed Simona – who was deemed to have been untruthful in interviews with the integrity unit – of the governing body's decision to deregister his contract indefinitely.

"His reaction was as you expect it to be. He was devastated," Weeks said.

"Clearly the type of news we delivered to Tim today, for a young athlete who has worked his whole life to become a professional NRL player, the news is about as bad as it gets. It's not an easy decision for Todd to reach, it is not an easy message for us to deliver.

"He has expressed remorse for what he has done, he realises he has made a terrible error and he realises he has a long road ahead of him in terms of addressing some of the issues he has off the field that have caused him to get in this position … whenever we deal with a matter the more honest, the more quickly people come forward, that helps them."

The English Super League and the NRL has a gentleman's agreement in place that sees both competitions enforce any bans imposed, leaving European rugby union as Simona's most likely choice of employment.

The Wests Tigers issued a statement on Friday afternoon, backing the NRL's stance against the player who had been shopped around all summer to ease the club's salary cap woes.

"I fully support the comments of Todd Greenberg that the integrity of the game must be upheld above all else," Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said.

"I believe it's a privilege to work in this game and it's the responsibility of everyone involved to uphold its integrity. As a club we pride ourselves on our standards of behaviour and after discussions with the NRL I'm 100 per cent confident that this is isolated to Tim Simona."
 
The more I ready about this, the more I get annoyed with the moral sanctimony of Todd Greenberg. The guy who had a young woman come to him to say a player at his club had beaten her and then he failed to report it to the police.

Hypocrite thy name is Todd.
 
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The more I ready about this, the more I get annoyed with the moral sanctimony of Todd Greenberg. The guy who had a young woman come to him to say a player at his club had beaten her and then he failed to report it to the police.

Hypocrite thy name is Todd.

Strictly speaking it is not Todd's responsibility to report to police, if the priests in confession don't have to report to police then why should Todd have to. Why could not the woman go to police herself? I hope Todd took other action such as ordering the player to have his violence problems sorted out. Maybe that was the agreement, he sorts it out with the player and she does not go to the cops.
 
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The more I ready about this, the more I get annoyed with the moral sanctimony of Todd Greenberg. The guy who had a young woman come to him to say a player at his club had beaten her and then he failed to report it to the police.

Hypocrite thy name is Todd.

Strictly speaking it is not Todd's responsibility to report to police, if the priests in confession don't have to report to police then why should Todd have to. Why could not the woman go to police herself? I hope Todd took other action such as ordering the player to have his violence problems sorted out. Maybe that was the agreement, he sorts it out with the player and she does not go to the cops.

Absolutely it is. Clergy have a legal exception.

For a person to cover up such conduct and then to rant about things that "sickens" them, is just wrong IMO.
 
The more I read about this the less I understand. Surely there's something missing in all this. Supposedly he has a crippling gambling problem but his bets total $600? And if he's losing money elsewhere why bother risking your career for a payoff off a few grand on bets that were no sure things? More details to come surely.
 
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