Todd Payten

[rihannafan1]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Doesn't matter, they're not playing finals either. Some of their loan players are better than our highest paid players.

It doesn’t matter that he’s able to get the most out of his roster but out coach can’t? (at least not yet).

I would say that’s very important.

Cleary didn't get much out of our roster either. Does that mean Payten is better than him too?

Cleary got Brooks to Dally M winner. He has been a shell of that form with Madge.

Brooks had a good year last year too. Cleary didn't get Aloiai to be a legitimate forward in this league. Madge has turned Luciano into a weapon when McGregor couldn't. He got Souths to a premiership when no other coach has. Different coaches, different strengths.

I'm not a fan of how Maguire has managed some of the players either but for people to act like Todd Payten has somehow now jumped to the near the top of the coaching tree in the NRL after five games is a bit much.

 

[avocadoontoast]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Doesn't matter, they're not playing finals either. Some of their loan players are better than our highest paid players.

It doesn’t matter that he’s able to get the most out of his roster but out coach can’t? (at least not yet).

I would say that’s very important.

Are you sure we have a better roster than theirs? A lot of their players would walk into our side.

I'd argue he's got them to play at their potential where they had a terrible coach before him.

Look at this weeks team lists and tell me how many you’d want here.

RTS, Nikorima, Tohu Harris, Hiku would all waltz into our starting side.

You're telling me you'd prefer ET and Eiso as bench props over Papali and Blair? Please.

Not sure I agree with all your additions but even if I did, you’re saying that we’d take 6 of their 17 only?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

i like maguire he has son two comps ESL and NRL but he is a power game man e.g bash it up with big pommy forwards e.g wigan or souths Burgess, he had a very good side at souths with good forwards and GI at the back and a solid Lote on the wing.
indont know if he is the man to get us to a premiership but he sure can get the deadwood out and give us a hard edge and in 4 years we hand on to another coa h to take us to the title perhaps

 

[Telltails]

My recollection of Todd whilst at the Tigers is that he was a player that blended in well with our style and of course scored the final try in the 2005 GF.
As a coach , he was instrumental with our NYC lads leading to success in 2012.
Whilst I am not privy to the rumblings made by other members re his integrity and morals, in my view I think he had a positive impact on our club .

Agree. If you blacklisted every person in the NRL that you heard rumour/ rumbling about you may as well give it away.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Wasn’t Payton with the same manager as the big 4? The theory being he was white anting the coach for the top job and manager was saying if he is head coach the big 4 will stay?

So yeah, if it turns out we could of kept them all together and had a decent coach without going through the Taylor/ Cleary saga... it probably would of been a lot easier to go with the managers demands

You forget to mention Andrew Webster, was also managed by Isaac Moses.
The club was being screwed by Moses, having Payten as coach we would be totally in Moses control.
Look what happened to Broncos, and Warriors.

 

[weststigerman]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Doesn't matter, they're not playing finals either. Some of their loan players are better than our highest paid players.

It doesn’t matter that he’s able to get the most out of his roster but out coach can’t? (at least not yet).

I would say that’s very important.

Are you sure we have a better roster than theirs? A lot of their players would walk into our side.

I'd argue he's got them to play at their potential where they had a terrible coach before him.

Look at this weeks team lists and tell me how many you’d want here.

RTS, Nikorima, Tohu Harris, Hiku would all waltz into our starting side.

You're telling me you'd prefer ET and Eiso as bench props over Papali and Blair? Please.

Not sure I agree with all your additions but even if I did, you’re saying that we’d take 6 of their 17 only?

Their spine is better than ours, that matters more than how many of the 17.

 

[avocadoontoast]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Doesn't matter, they're not playing finals either. Some of their loan players are better than our highest paid players.

It doesn’t matter that he’s able to get the most out of his roster but out coach can’t? (at least not yet).

I would say that’s very important.

Are you sure we have a better roster than theirs? A lot of their players would walk into our side.

I'd argue he's got them to play at their potential where they had a terrible coach before him.

Look at this weeks team lists and tell me how many you’d want here.

RTS, Nikorima, Tohu Harris, Hiku would all waltz into our starting side.

You're telling me you'd prefer ET and Eiso as bench props over Papali and Blair? Please.

Not sure I agree with all your additions but even if I did, you’re saying that we’d take 6 of their 17 only?

Their spine is better than ours, that matters more than how many of the 17.

RTS is for sure but are the others better? They might be playing better (which is the entire point of this discussion) but are they better players? Very few people would have said at the start of the year that Nikorima and Harris-Tevita would be better than Marshall and Brooks.

On paper our team is far stronger, they’re just playing better, which was my point.

 

[weststigerman]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Doesn't matter, they're not playing finals either. Some of their loan players are better than our highest paid players.

It doesn’t matter that he’s able to get the most out of his roster but out coach can’t? (at least not yet).

I would say that’s very important.

Are you sure we have a better roster than theirs? A lot of their players would walk into our side.

I'd argue he's got them to play at their potential where they had a terrible coach before him.

Look at this weeks team lists and tell me how many you’d want here.

RTS, Nikorima, Tohu Harris, Hiku would all waltz into our starting side.

You're telling me you'd prefer ET and Eiso as bench props over Papali and Blair? Please.

Not sure I agree with all your additions but even if I did, you’re saying that we’d take 6 of their 17 only?

Their spine is better than ours, that matters more than how many of the 17.

RTS is for sure but are the others better? They might be playing better (which is the entire point of this discussion) but are they better players? Very few people would have said at the start of the year that Nikorima and Harris-Tevita would be better than Marshall and Brooks.

On paper our team is far stronger, they’re just playing better, which was my point.

We’ll agree to disagree.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Doesn't matter, they're not playing finals either. Some of their loan players are better than our highest paid players.

It doesn’t matter that he’s able to get the most out of his roster but out coach can’t? (at least not yet).

I would say that’s very important.

Cleary didn't get much out of our roster either. Does that mean Payten is better than him too?

Most Forum members could coach the current Penrith side to a top 4 spot

Agree. I also think while all the young players can’t really go out on the town really is helping them

 

[StarswithStripes]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Totally agree, we are not a great side, but we are not performing to our ability either, it is embarrassing that the Warriors are ahead of us on the table. They have lived away from home for months, had players leave and go home, borrowed other teams cast off's to field a side, they beat us, if we played with their passion we would be in the 8, and that is a coach issue

Spot on peeps! Our side really isn’t as bad on paper as everyone makes out, especially if they all played to the level we know they’re capable of playing. It’s definitely a motivation issue and of the players not being coached to their strengths.

This is why I’ve tanked in the tipping comp ?Belief in our team and backing them because on paper they look stronger than teams we could have beaten.

 

[jirskyr]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

This ignores the fact that the two have different aims. Payten is working towards short term success with a roster he will walk away from. Maguire has a longer term goal, shaking up the current roster to identify the dead wood with a view to building a better long term roster.

Totally agree. Payten took on the Warriors for a short-term deal, which he knew already considering he turned down the long-term offer, and Warriors are in a very backs-to-wall type scenario right now. I don't disagree Warriors have become a commendable / admirable side given all their adversity, but let's see that kind of improvement and continual output for 2-3 consecutive seasons, esp if they return to New Zealand, take up their old travel demands etc.

Because that's the thing about the Warriors 2020 - tough gig being away from home, however they don't travel nearly as much as they used to and despite being away from family, there might also be something to be said about being away from the distractions as well. Not much to do in Tammy besides concentrate on your football.

Dean Pay got the Bulldogs up to win 8 of their last 10 in 2019, and look where that has got him in 2020. Short-term modest success is not enough in a coach's tenure.

 

[TCL]

Good luck to him, was a part of our 05 team so I wish him all the best.

He is doing well with the warriors team however, it’s one thing to come in halfway through a season as an interim coach with no real pressure or expectations and another to be a head coach at a club with pressure to achieve.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

We already have a premiership winning coach in both NRL and UK. Problem is the roster.

Warriors are playing with a bunch of loan players but he’s taken them past us pretty quick smart...

He’s getting the best out of his roster, you couldn’t say the same for Madge.

Totally agree, we are not a great side, but we are not performing to our ability either, it is embarrassing that the Warriors are ahead of us on the table. They have lived away from home for months, had players leave and go home, borrowed other teams cast off's to field a side, they beat us, if we played with their passion we would be in the 8, and that is a coach issue

Spot on peeps! Our side really isn’t as bad on paper as everyone makes out, especially if they all played to the level we know they’re capable of playing. It’s definitely a motivation issue and of the players not being coached to their strengths.

This is why I’ve tanked in the tipping comp ?Belief in our team and backing them because on paper they look stronger than teams we could have beaten.

When looking at a game I give a ✔️ to the side with number who I think has it over their opposite. Most ticks goes to my tips. Not many times tigers are in front unfortunately