Toddy hedging his bets

@Spartan117 said:
The WTs should lobby for a Centre of excellence and stadium like the New Parra one out there.

They were given the opportunity to be included with Campbelltown council and the university to be part of the COE that is being planned for there - they declined. The chances of a stadium like bankwest are probably non existent.
 
Can you negotiate as part of relocation that you get the same benefits as other one team towns?

no 5 day turnarounds?
every one of my home games will be played on a set day of the week?
If a game gets to golden point, the opposition will be penalised to ensure we get the 2 points.

I will watch the game for the next month or 2, but fear that I already know what the outcome will be.

I am starting to associate with the swans and the giants, as a number of my friends will now talking about the AFL rather than league.

Only 2 years until there is an A-league team completely aligned to south western sydnay
 
@Cultured_Bogan said:
I reckon any team playing out of Perth could guarantee a 5.30pm Saturday slot 24 times a year.

I reckon 6pm Sydney time on sundays. 4 o'clock arvo game in Perth.
 
Four teams along the southern coastal strip surely isn't sustainable. Cronulla should be the one to relocate.
A change of name to reflect their rich heritage would also an option. Perhaps the Cronulla 'Riots"!
 
Aren't most games still ranked from 1-8 and then played at specific times accordingly

From memory the Saturday 5.30 games was the 5th ranked game
 
Doesn't prove that at all and it's an overly simplistic thought from both of you.

Sydney supported more teams in the 1980s but the cost of funding those teams was nothing compared to now, nor was the competition from AFL or soccer at the levels it currently is. Rugby League had free reign for a very long time in Sydney, having first created the League here and then being a rule unto ourselves in terms of governance and business development.

It's not just other codes, in terms of entertainment there is a staggeringly larger volume of material competing for attention of modern fans - internet, streaming media, video games etc. - types of entertainment that have mostly killed off print, are starting to kill off FTA television and barely or didn't even exist in 1980.

But anyway, I'm not even clear on what measure of popularity you'd take to say rugby league was more popular in 1980s. Actually, between 1957 and today, the early 80s have the lowest average crowds. We are all aware that Newtown were booted and they tried to expel Wests as well.

The highest average in any 80s year was 1989 with 11,150\. The only year that the average crowds have dipped lower than since was 1997 ARL year vs Super League.

In terms of TV revenues and audiences, 1980s don't even come close to modern-day game.
 
Happy you say the games are ranked and that’s how they decide the time slot. I suggest it is all done on teams ability to draw viewers. Hence Brisbane get prime time every week.
Anyway without doubt the 6pm on a Sunday night is such a rubbish time slot and I hope the home team gets some financial compensation for the lack of crowd numbers
 
@happy_tiger said:
Aren’t most games still ranked from 1-8 and then played at specific times accordingly

From memory the Saturday 5.30 games was the 5th ranked game

Not for a few years..use to be 9 picked Friday and Sunday the Fox selected MNF and Super Sat then 9 got the 2nd Friday and Fox the remaining 2pm Sunday..

That was removed with the last TV Deal..NRL sets the schedule now..
 
I don’t think jnr development and or catchment will have anything to do with NRL criteria for relocation. If so Roosters will be one the first out, nick and the NRL won’t have that so it will be financial viability first and foremost.

Moving a club won’t work , adding 2 teams will be the best way to go Perth and Brisbane get new teams, own identity, new supporters. Also extra Game every week for TV.

This will add pressure on clubs in Sydney and the worst two fall over, lose thier licenses which go to two new clubs outside of Sydney.

They should also play a knock out comp for clubs that dont make the finals and play them in regional areas. Make it worth while with decent prize money. More tv, more money and fans still attending live games outside of Sydney.
 
I thought i would paste this in here as it seems to be the place to put the boot in to the NRL. An article by Paul Kent on the salary cap.

# Third-party cheating is so common in NRL many have become complacent

Paul Kent, The Daily Telegraph

March 25, 2019 7:24pm

The

salary cap is rugby league’s eternal sore. It continues to frustrate the NRL.

The punishment is worth the risk for most clubs.

Third-party payments are so common in the game many have become complacent.

When James Maloney’s negotiation with Penrith seemed to stall a few years back Maloney was asked about the holdup and was quick with his reply.

“I think they’re just trying to pass a third party or something,” he said.

Penrith blushed.

The Panthers were hoping to transfer a third party deal from Matt Moylan to Maloney to secure the deal but with Maloney’s all too honest admission that deal was now as dead as disco.

Penrith quickly told the NRL it would not be pursuing the sponsorship.

Maloney was said to have inadvertently cost himself $200,000, which was odd because part of the reason he offered for going to Penrith was because “I’m better off financially”.

Maloney was also one of the [seven players named over the weekend] to be unwittingly part of a payment scheme which breached NRL rules at Cronulla.

There is conjecture whether all seven players — Maloney, Luke Lewis, Wade Graham, Valentine Holmes, Josh Dugan, Jack Bird and Chris Heighington — actually got paid or whether it was just some of them.

[Lewis strongly defended himself](http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/monday-buzz-luke-lewis-way-off-target-trying-to-shoot-messenger/news-story/91a13578e564ceeb41cc531735412b61), saying he never received a cash payment from anybody, and the Telegraph does not suggest any of the players engaged in any wrongdoing.

In any event, whether all seven got the money is almost irrelevant.

What is most relevant is that Cronulla certainly discussed it internally as a means to cheat the salary cap.

And they were so blasé about the lack of policing and penalty they took it from the world of smoke and whispers and wrote it all down in an email.

The clubs and the players and their managers are entitled to feel confident.

The NRL is almost complicit in their deceit.

The NRL has always revealed as little as possible about salary cap cheating. Details of how it was actually cheated are not revealed. No player has ever been punished.

The reason was noble enough. The belief was that the game was suffering enough and that further details only added pain.

But the lack of transparency is hurting the game in this latest case. Details are being drip fed. Innuendo and rumour, speculation and gossip, they continue the conversation when the NRL hoped the punishment would finalise it.

It is causing the NRL to have a rethink.

Should the entire breach notice be published? It is being strongly considered.

At least everybody would know the truth.

Fans could see who is responsible and who has been made accountable.

At the same time the NRL is also considering how to clean up the third party mess.

A simple solution is for the NRL to take over all third party negotiations. It is so simple it is a great mystery why the NRL has not done it already.

By definition nothing, intrinsically, should change. Any player that represents value to a brand would still be able to represent them.

Yet this changes dynamically if the NRL takes over all third party deals. It would mean any company hoping to have a player represent their brand would have to approach the NRL instead of the club to secure the deal.

Some will argue the NRL already has to approve every third party deal so that doesn’t change much at all.

But it does.

Most importantly it stops clubs from dangling third party deals in front of players as part of the negotiation process.

Such conversations are against the rules but happen often.

A player wants $500,000 but the club has only $400,000 left in the cap. Or is prepared to spend only $400,000 of its cap.

So with a nudge and a wink the club tells the player it will pay him $400,000 and find another $100,000 in third parties.
The club just has to distance itself from the deal when the player presents the deal to the NRL and how successfully this is done often determines the success of the deal.

The Sharks formed a secret company whose intention was to secure third party deals at arm’s length from the club.

The NRL is already considering a more drastic action.

Instead of giving the clubs their $13 million grant, from which the clubs then pay their players, the NRL is considering holding back the money and paying the players centrally from headquarters.

The NRL is now looking at the player managers but nothing will happen. The historical nature of their cheating means they will be subject to the same powers that failed to prosecute a single manager from Parramatta’s salary cap cheating.

Somewhere, in all this, something has to change.
 
I certainly dont always agree with Kent but he is correct on this.However i am not expecting Greenberg to take any positive action just maybe find a sacrificial lamb from a club with little power to persecute
 
This highlights why the Tigers should of taken the NRL to court over what happened withPascoe etc … whether there was a breach or not the inconsistency with which the NRL dish out punishment borders on incompetency!
Now the evidence is black and white player managers are in this up to there necks .. the ex CEO of the Sharks is now at Manly with no sanction .
Please explain to me why these player managers are still in business and that particular CEO is still working ... remember our CEO got 12 months and our club received s massive fine !! For not even actually gaining an advantage over there rivals .
Well questions need to be asked and Greenberg has to stand down as all of this has occurred under his watchful eye! If only our board had some back bone .. oh wait we had a female chair that knew where to take this .
 
Greenberg take on the player managers, no way, imagine the dirt they would have on him from his dog days.
I just can’t believe how lightly the Sharks got off in comparison to us. One was a carefully planned operation to rort the system big time, our one was sloppy book keeping at worst
 
To make matters worse 2 of "our" directors turned Todds lap dogs to betray our chairman who wanted to fight for the club for proper justice.Frauds both of them
 
@Snake said:
This highlights why the Tigers should of taken the NRL to court over what happened withPascoe etc … whether there was a breach or not the inconsistency with which the NRL dish out punishment borders on incompetency!

Yep, there was one major difference for me there - intent. Did we end up with a financial advantage? It should be measurable.

Other breaches have a clear intent to circumvent the rules to obtain an advantage. It's clearly not the same thing.

Intent comes into most decisions, not sure why it didn't for us here.
 
Its much easier to accept a vendetta against us than to try and weigh up different cases and apply logic.

Why werent the Sharks and their officials more heavily punished = No one had it in for them.
 

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