Too Early For Humble Pie?

[The_Patriot]

I dont get how a brag post after a win is any different than a critical post after a loss. One has a higher moral ground apparently.
Living and a learning on the forum.

 

[tigeress]

@GNR4LIFE We do have a problem with consistency, as I say I am happy with where we sit at the moment, but it is so easy to fall back to the bottom should we lose and the others below us start to come good 😛ray:

 

[Newtown]

From what Wests Tigers have shown this season they are a day to day proposition. One day look superb but the next day they struggle. Hopefully if they get a sniff of the finals their application and will becomes much more consistent.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

From what Wests Tigers have shown this season they are a day to day proposition. One day look superb but the next day they struggle. Hopefully if they get a sniff of the finals their application and will becomes much more consistent.

You can say the same thing about most teams. Outside the top 3, NO ONE is consistent.

 

[Newtown]

@GNR4LIFE This season it's the top 3 teams with daylight second. Surely that gives Wests Tigers a good chance for the 8,

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It is too early for humble pie. This team needs to improve the difference between their best and worst and we are still yet to be a lock in for the top eight.

We're tracking OK at the minute. Sucks that we dropped the first game against Penrith as we'd be firmly entrenched in the eight but the next five to six weeks will be the litmus test. If we can knock off at least two of Melbourne, Souths and Easts I'd be happy.

 

[Geo]

I dont get how a brag post after a win is any different than a critical post after a loss. One has a higher moral ground apparently.
Living and a learning on the forum.

Critical is fine I don't believe anyone has a problem with that..even after a win..for example there was praise for Madge's positional switch moving Marsters and Jennings to the left from the right well to me the Pamfers still made huge inroads down that edge and there only points came down there with a terrible read in defence..

It's the laying in of the boot that inevitably comes after a loss to the players, coaching staff and even the ball boys that is tiresome often hidden behind the guise of passion..there is a difference..

Funny thing is the forum is much busier after a loss than a win..always found that odd...but yeah..

 

[The_Patriot]

I dont get how a brag post after a win is any different than a critical post after a loss. One has a higher moral ground apparently.
Living and a learning on the forum.

Critical is fine I don't believe anyone has a problem with that..even after a win..for example there was praise for Madge's positional switch moving Marsters and Jennings to the left from the right well to me the Pamfers still made huge inroads down that edge and there only points came down there with a terrible read in defence..

It's the laying in of the boot that inevitably comes after a loss to the players, coaching staff and even the ball boys that is tiresome..there is a difference..

Funny thing is the forum is much busier after a loss than a win..always found that odd...but yeah..

Critical with some level of discussion is what most people do. A very small % just lay into players or the club. Be it opinion or fact most of the people accused of being critical are simply discussing the things they think can be improved.

 

[gallagher]

We've lost to the teams coming last and second last. Putting away the easy games is a good indication of a team.

 

[bigsiro]

@Geo and @The_Patriot
Agree with you both ..... and proud to say I lay the boot in after a win if it's deserved. :laughing:

@GNR4LIFE
I think it's way too early.
Agree that its top 3 and daylight second with Roosters clear standouts.

 

[old_man_tiger]

I'm happy to admit I'm critical of how we played last Friday given the way we broke the Panthers spirit early.

I'm generally a glass half full type of fan. This year after I started a thread commenting on how resilient the team were, they were lapped by the eels. That was a lesson in our lack of consistency, and while I'm happy for you @GNR4LIFE to be feeling the vibes, I think our club isn't self-critical enough and am trying to temper my enthusiasm. We are the common denominator in a hell of a lot of things over recent years, I think the history of the club post 2011 is a big factor and it certainly impacts my current position on where we are at.

Whether that's relevant or not is simply a question of opinion, and thus not worth arguing about to me. If we wait long enough we will find out if this year is different because we will either make the finals or not. If we do it will be great, and I won't for one second regret being honest about what I think we can improve on.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm happy to admit I'm critical of how we played last Friday given the way we broke the Panthers spirit early.

I'm generally a glass half full type of fan. This year after I started a thread commenting on how resilient the team were, they were lapped by the eels. That was a lesson in our lack of consistency, and while I'm happy for you @GNR4LIFE to be feeling the vibes, I think our club isn't self-critical enough and am trying to temper my enthusiasm. We are the common denominator in a hell of a lot of things over recent years, I think the history of the club post 2011 is a big factor and it certainly impacts my current position on where we are at.

Whether that's relevant or not is simply a question of opinion, and thus not worth arguing about to me. If we wait long enough we will find out if this year is different because we will either make the finals or not. If we do it will be great, and I won't for one second regret being honest about what I think we can improve on.

I'm not sure why everyone is misunderstanding what my post says. I'm not feeling ''vibes'', nor is it a brag post. I just think considering where we sit, all this talk about us being a bottom 4 side and how we're one of the worst teams in the comp are ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Critical with some level of discussion is what most people do. A very small % just lay into players or the club. Be it opinion or fact most of the people accused of being critical are simply discussing the things they think can be improved.

In general, yeah and and I am happy to be critical when it is reasonably deserved. Still some of the crap on here of late has been nothing sort of crazy, with the dump Brooks to reserve grade and/or put him on the market rubbish at the top level of ridiculousness.

 

[innsaneink]

Pandora's box is now ajar.

Right next to the can of worms

 

[Blocker1963]

What i really liked, was how Madge tactically coached the side to pick apart the Penrith defence, great coaching and execution by the players, it fell away in the second half but they destroyed Penrith's confidence. Liked Jennings on the wing, still not sure about Mahe, his lack of pace in defence is a concern, Robbie and Liddle worked great, great win, but as we all know Melbourne is a different animal, will be the game, Go Tigers

 

[jirskyr]

@Geo I agree. Personally I think you need to view each match within the context of the season, so you don't overdo the wins or losses.

@The_Patriot is making out like some people are suggesting there is some kind of moral high ground if you don't criticise the side. I don't think anyone is really suggesting that. I think people like myself and GNR are just suggesting moderation in all things.

Clearly some Tigers fans are overly optimistic at times and others are overly critical.

One other thing is - my personal opinion is that NRL 2019 is favouring large momentum shifts that aren't easily arrested in matches. Even though referees are allowing more latitude in the ruck this year, it appears to be producing more flow rather than slowing the game down. I would guess this is about not interrupting the momentum of matches due to penalty-related stoppages, and not giving defences the time to rest.

As such, many teams are finding themselves on the receiving ends of some really destructive 20-minute spells and are finding it hard to grind back into the match. I don't have specific stats on margins, but I'd wager that the number of large win margins is up compared to 2018. This means that teams are unpredictably on the end of some real hidings.

I.e. there's no specific reason for Tigers to get hammered by Eels, but it happened and Tigers obviously lost control of the match. But for Eels to do the same 2 weeks later - it's unexpected. And I am very confident that Storm do not smash Tigers this week, which would not be explainable if Eels are truly a 40-point better side than us.

 

[Harvey]

So I'm wondering. Looking at the ladder, we're sitting in 6th position. Not bad for a side that is bashed pillar to post by half the forum. Listening to some of you, we're a total embarrassment. The words cleanout and relocation have been thrown around, Madge has copped it for not dropping players when in fact he has. We've had threads about how good Moses is in comparison to Brooks when Moses now sits behind Brooks on the ladder.

At what stage do you start to acknowledge we aren't as bad of a side as some of you want to believe. Not saying you have to declare us world beaters, because there's daylight between us and the top 3 teams, as there is for the other 12 teams in the competition. The fact is we're not that bad and the victim mentality of 'woah is us, our team is horrible'' deserves to be put on the shelf for now.

At the stage where we have made the finals at least once in the last 5 years and are perennial contenders.

The Juro curve looks good now, but there have been a number of years where it has looked like that at this point of the year, before turning into a ski jump approach after round 12.

We are passionate fans who overreact both when we lose, but also when we win

 

[earl]

Good thread. I think we can all get too worked up because supporting a team is emotional.

We clearly aren't one of the top 4 teams but we aren't that bad. I think Penrith have a roster that should be top 4 without a doubt and look how they are travelling.

The negative comments on Brooks and Mbye in my opinion are so over the top. Brooks is one of the better halves in the comp even though there aren't a lot of good halves. Mbye isn't great just yet but he has the attributes to be a quality player.

I posted on some other thread that Madge has been making changes left, right and centre. I can't criticise the coach.

 

[Masterton]

I dont get how a brag post after a win is any different than a critical post after a loss. One has a higher moral ground apparently.
Living and a learning on the forum.

JMHO, but there's a big difference between the self-immolation that occurs here after a loss, and GNR "bragging" that maybe we aren't terrible.

 

[Masterton]

Funny thing is the forum is much busier after a loss than a win…always found that odd…but yeah…

Well, I'm normally drunk and/or too busy having fun after a win to log on.