Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon shot, bystander dead - assassination attempt

[TV Ted Ellery]

Questioning the result of an election is not the same as trying to stay in power. Your opinions on the matter of what he’ll do next time are conjecture without substance. You can sit in the corner crying about the big bad wolf as much as you like.
It’s boring.
This thread is talking about things that are actually happening.
Remove the tin foil and join us.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon urged Pence not to certify the results of the 2020 election despite no credible evidence of voter fraud. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his cronies launched countless failed court challenges that would make a Tigers fan blush so devoid of merit were they. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wipped his supporters into a frenzy outside the Capitol with the intent of interrupting the certification of the election. He absolutely tried to stay in power.

 

[shiretiger]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon urged Pence not to certify the results of the 2020 election despite no credible evidence of voter fraud. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his cronies launched countless failed court challenges that would make a Tigers fan blush so devoid of merit were they. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wipped his supporters into a frenzy outside the Capitol with the intent of interrupting the certification of the election. He absolutely tried to stay in power.

and then on January 20th handed over the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

 

[colinbh]

Sure?

You clowns need a tin foil hat. So you think that one of Trumps mates, volunteered to shoot him in the ear at 150 metres (great shot) then be killed by law enforcement? What devotion.

 

[just old magpie]

and then on January 20th handed over the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

there was plenty of evidence the 2020 election was rigged .The trouble was all the courts are run by lefti judges pai for by Sorous.

 

[weststigers]

Yes. Its me who has no idea what im talking about even though your idea that Hitler was left wing is because nazi has socialist in its name. Where did I say left good right racist? Communism is responsible for far more deaths that nazism. Communism equals far left and bad, Nazism equals far right and bad.

Read Mein Kampf first before you comment on Hitlers ideology.

Frankly...he had a very complicated and nuanced political ideology and way too many wikipedia pages and news outlets wrongly label it as far right. So complicated in fact that he hated Marxists because he though it was a Jewish plot to covertly capitalise the world (quite a contradictory set of values), yet he was particular to ensure the separation of the socialist ideology and the Marxist ideology because on the surface they seemed so similar. It's an interesting topic if you dig deeper and stop reading the headlines.

There is a fundamental misunderstanding on what Right and Left political ideology actually is and where it came from. These concepts are rooted in the 1700's in France. Well before Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini etc. Racism plays no role in either ideology. It is a separate set of values that can form part of ones world view.

For instance, he did not outright nationalise the economy, however he said - and these are his own words:

"I tell German industry for example, “You have to produce such and such now.” I then return to this in the Four-Year Plan. If German industry were to answer me, “We are not able to”, then I would say to it, “Fine, then I will take that over myself, but it must be done.” But if industry tells me, “We will do that”, then I am very glad that I do not need to take that on."

This is private control in name only. It is the total erosion of ownership because the state can tell you what to produce and when. This is hardly capitalist in nature, but rather socialist.

If you want to change it from right wing to Nazism, then fair enough, but Nazism is not very right wing economically or socially if you happen to understand what right and left actually mean in a historical and ideological context...not just the last 20 years of political discourse.

 

[Tucker]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon urged Pence not to certify the results of the 2020 election despite no credible evidence of voter fraud. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his cronies launched countless failed court challenges that would make a Tigers fan blush so devoid of merit were they. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wipped his supporters into a frenzy outside the Capitol with the intent of interrupting the certification of the election. He absolutely tried to stay in power.

He certainly did not take the loss well but you, I and anyone else on here is not privy as to why that was. Therefore it is guesswork on your part. What we are talking about in this thread is actually happening before our eyes and can be discussed with greater confidence.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Do you honestly believe Hitler was left wing?? Such a bizzare rewriting of history. Better go let Nazis know that they are actually lefties. Bet the communists he purged would be surprised too.

What makes you think they are were right wing?

Was it the name? National Socialist German Workers' Party?

Last I checked, socialism was a left wing ideology.

Racism, Expansionism and Nationalism are not associated with left or right.

What both have in common is that they were anti-imperialists and anti-liberals, the fact is that they signed the anti-imperialists Molotov-Ribbentop Pact in 1939.
So regarding socialists' left-right scale, if the imperialists/liberals were on the right, that would put NazionalSozialistiche Deutsche ArbeitPartei to the left and the USSR to the hard left.
A consequence of the Pact was the Katyn massacre

, btw, something the USSR was never prosecuted.

 

[weststigers]

You'll be struggling to find any credible source disputing that the Nazis were an extreme right wing regime. It's as specious as denying that the Soviets were far left. Both were heinous.

I can do that, but you just state it as fact...what specifically is right wing about Nazis that cannot be applied to say, Stalin?

 

[TillLindemann]

So you are telling me that the "ruling class" in Australia are now "Karens"? Karens rule Australia? I would have thought you would have said something more cliche like "Mining Magnates" or "Unions" or "Megacorporations" rule Australia.

The managerial Karens in both the state and corporate sectors are the footsoldiers of the ruling class. The ideology of the ruling class is a peculiar marriage of right wing neoliberal economics with left wing social/cultural orthodoxy. Transnational corporations are welcome to extract whatever wealth they want from Australia (the economic liberal half of the marriage) as long as they pay homage to the dogmas of socially liberal half of the marriage (pride month, gender targets, welcome to countries etc).

Big Money hates economic leftism, but loves cultural leftism, because when people are protesting about gender they are not protesting for higher taxes.

 

[weststigers]

What both have in common is that they were anti-imperialists and anti-liberals, the fact is that they signed the anti-imperialists Molotov-Ribbentop Pact in 1939.
So regarding socialists' left-right scale, if the imperialists/liberals were on the right, that would put NazionalSozialistiche Deutsche ArbeitPartei to the left and the USSR to the hard left.
A consequence of the Pact was the Katyn massacre

, btw, something the USSR was never prosecuted.

Yes...agree with that. Their social and economic policies tilted left. Most people just apply the right wing tag to the dictator and racism part, however this could be a left or right addition to the core belief system.

Hitler has one of the most nuanced and complicated ideologies I have read about and it often conflicts itself. For instance privatisation of industry, yet pass laws that allows the government to insist on that industry creating something for the state on command or lose the right to ownership. He has an each-way bet on a lot of topics. Complicated man.

 

[Yossarian]

there was plenty of evidence the 2020 election was rigged .The trouble was all the courts are run by lefti judges pai for by Sorous.

There is in fact zero evidence it was rigged but nothing is ever Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon’s fault right? Lose the vote? Election is rigged. Courts say that's rubbish? Courts are rigged...

 

[TillLindemann]

People might recall Alex Jones was sued for arguing Sandy Hook school massacre was staged.

There's a dude now who is reciprocating and filing a lawsuit against prominent people who are arguing the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon shooting was staged.

 

[shiretiger]

I said to my wife on election night 2016 that he'd be assassinated during his term, so I was surprised he made it to 2020.

My 12 year old daughter greeted me with "guess what happened to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon?" when I awoke yesterday morning. I didn't have him being shot on my bingo card.

To those of you that are disappointed at the poor aim of the alleged shooter: you really need to have a long hard look at yourself.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

There is in fact zero evidence it was rigged but nothing is ever Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon’s fault right? Lose the vote? Election is rigged. Courts say that's rubbish? Courts are rigged...

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon lost to a guy who was hiding in his basement, and who millions of people think is in severe mental decline and can’t string two sentences together. Can you imagine how incompetent you would have to be to lose to that guy? I’d never wanna admit I lost either.

 

[Todd Packer]

After 2 days of back and forth I'm sure you're all much closer to accepting each other's opinions as correct.

 

[hammertime]

Questioning the result of an election is not the same as trying to stay in power. Your opinions on the matter of what he’ll do next time are conjecture without substance. You can sit in the corner crying about the big bad wolf as much as you like.
It’s boring.
This thread is talking about things that are actually happening.
Remove the tin foil and join us.

You call "find me 11,000 votes" or getting Pence to try to defy his constitutional duty as not trying to stay in power?

Dude... you're really not worth anyone's time anymore. I've tried, but that spin is nonsense.

Are you kidding me? Everything is an opinion. Voting is exactly that. Projecting forward your opinion on what you think they'll do in the job based on the now or the past. You back up that opinion with data (or at least some of us do)

 

[TieDye]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon urged Pence not to certify the results of the 2020 election despite no credible evidence of voter fraud. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his cronies launched countless failed court challenges that would make a Tigers fan blush so devoid of merit were they. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wipped his supporters into a frenzy outside the Capitol with the intent of interrupting the certification of the election. He absolutely tried to stay in power.

You still don’t think Tigers get raw-dogged by refs?

 

[TieDye]

I can do that, but you just state it as fact...what specifically is right wing about Nazis that cannot be applied to say, Stalin?

Look at his handle, brother. The guy wouldn’t have a good take on the above subject matter if he had his 15 minutes!

 

[balmain boy]

Maxwell Smart had a saying which is quite fitting here....

Surely now Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will come down hard and ban all automatic guns in the US if he wins?

And its just so bizarre that someone who's a convicted criminal, rapist and paedophile, has cheated on his wives, and sent many businesses into bankruptcy can somehow be redeemed as a 'hero' because he got clipped by a bullet. He's not a hero, he's a deranged psychopath, who may or may not be a victim of a horrible crime. He is still an evil, selfish man of bad character.

The whole event hasn't been conclusively proven to be a staged publicity stunt or the real deal yet either. There are so many 'coincidences' with this situation. Police and SS officers advisers informed of guy with gun on roof, no one does anything. Footage of SS starting to herd people away from behind Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon moments before the shots take place. The snipers on the roof observing the shooter taking position but waiting for him to shoot first before they pull the trigger in response? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon being allowed to stand up and pose for a photo seconds after being 'shot'. Last time a gun was pulled at one of his events he was whisked off stage in seconds. That an American flag somehow was moved in seconds and was suddenly above him on a different angle than it was at previously. The fact he put his hand to his ear doesn't disspel that he could have added some fake blood either. There are just so many questions that need to be answered....

The saddest part of the event has also largely been ignored, the passing of Campeorale, who was shielding his family when fatally wounded. He should be front page news, not Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon

 

[Yossarian]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon lost to a guy who was hiding in his basement, and who millions of people think is in severe mental decline and can’t string two sentences together. Can you imagine how incompetent you would have to be to lose to that guy? I’d never wanna admit I lost either.

I'm not a fan of the hyperbole. Biden has his own issues and most of them aren't new. He's always been gaffe prone. This narrative that he was 'hiding" in a basement is dumb. I also dislike this idea that he has dementia. He doesn't. He's 81 and not as mentally sharp as he used to be. He shouldn't be running for president though. He was borderline credible when he won.