Watene-Zelezniak set to split with Panthers

[tigeress]

@happy_tiger Got a feeling there's something happening behind the scenes causing it.
You don't go from being above average to below ordinary without some reason.
If it's not physical then something else.
Both him and his brother are clean cut family guys ... maybe the goings on over the off season didn't sit well?

As I have stated he has a bung knee ....already having regenerational knee treatment

I must admit i am always very wary of trying to sign players who have known medical problems especially ones who would be on huge dollars

Me to...I hope this falls through:white_frowning_face:

 

[jirskyr]

Let’s just put a hypothetical up there...

2018 you are bought into your team, you are enjoying your team mates and you are committed to the team. You represent your country and realise just how much of a role model you are... straight laced you are loving your footy.

2019 comes along, you realise the vast majority of your team each have sex tapes being shared around. You sit and listen to the coach say “play for the man next to you”. You hear the club talk about pride in the jersey. You consistently want to wash your hands after shaking hands with team mates with families yet continually behave like scum. People start to wonder why you are aloof.

If the above happened would you say the player has lost his talent or has he has lost respect for his team mates and for his club?

Also isn't DWZ an active mormon? There would be moral implications from his religious standpoint regarding his teammate's behaviour, not just work ethic.

I'm not excusing it, you gotta perform to your best regardless of what your teammates are doing with their private lives, but you could understand the greater struggle when the player has a quite rigid moral code involving religious beliefs as well.

He's not tweeting stuff like Folau but maybe he feels the same about these sex tapes. Or maybe he's on a sex tape!!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Let’s just put a hypothetical up there...

2018 you are bought into your team, you are enjoying your team mates and you are committed to the team. You represent your country and realise just how much of a role model you are... straight laced you are loving your footy.

2019 comes along, you realise the vast majority of your team each have sex tapes being shared around. You sit and listen to the coach say “play for the man next to you”. You hear the club talk about pride in the jersey. You consistently want to wash your hands after shaking hands with team mates with families yet continually behave like scum. People start to wonder why you are aloof.

If the above happened would you say the player has lost his talent or has he has lost respect for his team mates and for his club?

Adding to that, the coach who had your team purring at 4th spot has been sent to centrelink and the CEO hires his mate who is also the halfback's dad. Your team has a horror start to the year and you're hovering around 15th or 16th spot 11 rounds in. No wonder he's disenfranchised.

It's interesting that when it's a bloke we want to sign playing for a coach we don't like this is all totally understandable. If it was a Tigers player wanting out we'd all be calling him soft, saying if he was a professional he'd do the job he's being paid for and generally bagging him out left right and centre.

I mean, I hate Mitchell Moses as much as the next Tigers fan but isn't this more or less exactly what he did? The team had just changed coaches, the new guy took a contract offer off the table and Moses spat the dummy and demanded a release. What's different to DWZ?

Cognitive dissonance is peak when following rugby league?

Situations are not exactly alike though. Has DWZ had a contract pulled during negotiations? I wouldn't say he's tanking either given that the rest of the team are godawful at the moment as well.

 

[4jtigers]

Let’s just put a hypothetical up there...

2018 you are bought into your team, you are enjoying your team mates and you are committed to the team. You represent your country and realise just how much of a role model you are... straight laced you are loving your footy.

2019 comes along, you realise the vast majority of your team each have sex tapes being shared around. You sit and listen to the coach say “play for the man next to you”. You hear the club talk about pride in the jersey. You consistently want to wash your hands after shaking hands with team mates with families yet continually behave like scum. People start to wonder why you are aloof.

If the above happened would you say the player has lost his talent or has he has lost respect for his team mates and for his club?

Also isn't DWZ an active mormon? There would be moral implications from his religious standpoint regarding his teammate's behaviour, not just work ethic.

I'm not excusing it, you gotta perform to your best regardless of what your teammates are doing with their private lives, but you could understand the greater struggle when the player has a quite rigid moral code involving religious beliefs as well.

He's not tweeting stuff like Folau but maybe he feels the same about these sex tapes. Or maybe he's on a sex tape!!

Hopefully he is not in it. I am of the same faith. They are good young men but they do err like us. Maybe he didn't like what was happening and has been outspoken of his disgust in the dressing room or in their group about the situation and now he is being ostercised hence the request to move on to another club.

 

[bptiger]

i know dallin through a ex footballer and he is a true gentleman, he would come out to glenmore park and watch my son play a- grade. he would be a great fit to our team and remember Madge made him captain on NZ.

 

[diedpretty]

@happy_tiger Got a feeling there's something happening behind the scenes causing it.
You don't go from being above average to below ordinary without some reason.
If it's not physical then something else.
Both him and his brother are clean cut family guys ... maybe the goings on over the off season didn't sit well?

As I have stated he has a bung knee ....already having regenerational knee treatment

I must admit i am always very wary of trying to sign players who have known medical problems especially ones who would be on huge dollars

Me to...I hope this falls through:white_frowning_face:

So you 2 guys would have never signed Tedesco based on that.

 

[2041]

Let’s just put a hypothetical up there...

2018 you are bought into your team, you are enjoying your team mates and you are committed to the team. You represent your country and realise just how much of a role model you are... straight laced you are loving your footy.

2019 comes along, you realise the vast majority of your team each have sex tapes being shared around. You sit and listen to the coach say “play for the man next to you”. You hear the club talk about pride in the jersey. You consistently want to wash your hands after shaking hands with team mates with families yet continually behave like scum. People start to wonder why you are aloof.

If the above happened would you say the player has lost his talent or has he has lost respect for his team mates and for his club?

Adding to that, the coach who had your team purring at 4th spot has been sent to centrelink and the CEO hires his mate who is also the halfback's dad. Your team has a horror start to the year and you're hovering around 15th or 16th spot 11 rounds in. No wonder he's disenfranchised.

It's interesting that when it's a bloke we want to sign playing for a coach we don't like this is all totally understandable. If it was a Tigers player wanting out we'd all be calling him soft, saying if he was a professional he'd do the job he's being paid for and generally bagging him out left right and centre.

I mean, I hate Mitchell Moses as much as the next Tigers fan but isn't this more or less exactly what he did? The team had just changed coaches, the new guy took a contract offer off the table and Moses spat the dummy and demanded a release. What's different to DWZ?

Cognitive dissonance is peak when following rugby league?

Situations are not exactly alike though. Has DWZ had a contract pulled during negotiations? I wouldn't say he's tanking either given that the rest of the team are godawful at the moment as well.

It's ok, I suspect the cases are different too. But let's be honest with ourselves: other than a general, and unprovable, sense that Moses is a dick and DWZ is a decent guy, the main difference is that one scenario involves in a player possibly coming to the Tigers and the other was one who wanted to leave.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Let’s just put a hypothetical up there...

2018 you are bought into your team, you are enjoying your team mates and you are committed to the team. You represent your country and realise just how much of a role model you are... straight laced you are loving your footy.

2019 comes along, you realise the vast majority of your team each have sex tapes being shared around. You sit and listen to the coach say “play for the man next to you”. You hear the club talk about pride in the jersey. You consistently want to wash your hands after shaking hands with team mates with families yet continually behave like scum. People start to wonder why you are aloof.

If the above happened would you say the player has lost his talent or has he has lost respect for his team mates and for his club?

Adding to that, the coach who had your team purring at 4th spot has been sent to centrelink and the CEO hires his mate who is also the halfback's dad. Your team has a horror start to the year and you're hovering around 15th or 16th spot 11 rounds in. No wonder he's disenfranchised.

It's interesting that when it's a bloke we want to sign playing for a coach we don't like this is all totally understandable. If it was a Tigers player wanting out we'd all be calling him soft, saying if he was a professional he'd do the job he's being paid for and generally bagging him out left right and centre.

I mean, I hate Mitchell Moses as much as the next Tigers fan but isn't this more or less exactly what he did? The team had just changed coaches, the new guy took a contract offer off the table and Moses spat the dummy and demanded a release. What's different to DWZ?

Cognitive dissonance is peak when following rugby league?

Situations are not exactly alike though. Has DWZ had a contract pulled during negotiations? I wouldn't say he's tanking either given that the rest of the team are godawful at the moment as well.

It's ok, I suspect the cases are different too. But let's be honest with ourselves: other than a general, and unprovable, sense that Moses is a dick and DWZ is a decent guy, the main difference is that one scenario involves in a player possibly coming to the Tigers and the other was one who wanted to leave.

No I do agree with you, despite believing the motivations are different.

I wasn't kidding regarding cognitive dissonance, I believe virtually all die hard fans suffer from it (myself included.)

 

[tigeress]

@happy_tiger Got a feeling there's something happening behind the scenes causing it.
You don't go from being above average to below ordinary without some reason.
If it's not physical then something else.
Both him and his brother are clean cut family guys ... maybe the goings on over the off season didn't sit well?

As I have stated he has a bung knee ....already having regenerational knee treatment

I must admit i am always very wary of trying to sign players who have known medical problems especially ones who would be on huge dollars

Me to...I hope this falls through:white_frowning_face:

So you 2 guys would have never signed Tedesco based on that.

Ahhhh but Tedesco was already in our system and he had all the talents needed to become one of the best-not saying that DWZ doesn't have talent.. Its just that our club seems to end up with a lot of unwanted (probably because they are injury prone) players from other clubs, I must say at least this bloke is young so that's something in his favour:neutral_face:

 

[Nelson]

It's ok, I suspect the cases are different too. But let's be honest with ourselves: other than a general, and unprovable, sense that Moses is a dick and DWZ is a decent guy, the main difference is that one scenario involves in a player possibly coming to the Tigers and the other was one who wanted to leave.

It's not unprovable that he is a dick, you just need to look at his face and his behaviour to know it as true...

 

[2041]

@happy_tiger Got a feeling there's something happening behind the scenes causing it.
You don't go from being above average to below ordinary without some reason.
If it's not physical then something else.
Both him and his brother are clean cut family guys ... maybe the goings on over the off season didn't sit well?

As I have stated he has a bung knee ....already having regenerational knee treatment

I must admit i am always very wary of trying to sign players who have known medical problems especially ones who would be on huge dollars

Me to...I hope this falls through:white_frowning_face:

So you 2 guys would have never signed Tedesco based on that.
Ahhhh but Tedesco was already in our system and he had all the talents needed to become one of the best-not saying that DWZ doesn't have talent.. Its just that our club seems to end up with a lot of unwanted (probably because they are injury prone) players from other clubs, I must say at least this bloke is young so that's something in his favour:neutral_face:

There's nothing necessarily wrong with unwanted players - there are plenty of example of players who were unwanted by a club at some point or another who you'd have loved to have signed in retrospect. A front row of Vaughan, Cook and Fifita would be pretty sweet, for instance.

That said, I have to say I've been waiting, what, four years for DWZ to start consistently delivering on the potential he was meant to have when he came through and I haven't seen much of it yet. My concern is he's an Isaako type player, who can get at least one or two big contracts out of clubs largely based on reputation forged in juniors that hasn't really ever been displayed in first grade. I'm not saying DWZ is bad, as such, just that at this stage in his career I'm not sure he's done enough to justify shelling out a lot of money on.

That said, if we can convince the Panthers to take Packer off our hands it could be a great deal even if DWZ barely gets on the field.

 

[Danny Blanco]

@2041 Nice 2 see Russell & Ivan are on friendly terms again. I would take DWZ over Rhyse Martin anyway - I think he'd play his heart out for his coach once settled. Marsters & him on one side with Mbye chiming in from the back has some genuine potential. He can get an opportunity down the track to play in the 1 jersey pending Mbye's form. We'll C

 

[Spartan117]

I'm sick of panic buying players.

DWZ may fit this category. Like packer, mats, JRey any new addition needs to be for the right $$$ if we are ever to truly improve.

Well done to Parra for sticking to their price limit on Gutherson. We need to do the same from now on.

 

[avocadoontoast]

@Spartan117 Would this be panic buying though? Seems more like opportunistic buying to me.

 

[Danny Blanco]

@avocadoontoast and a good fit. Everyone off contract is on notice. Benji & Robbie will most likely retire. Would be a sound investment. He leads from the front

 

[avocadoontoast]

@Dan_Blanco I'm really hoping we get him. He's had a poor year but so have all his teammates. He's a quality player who adds some much needed speed to our backline.

 

[bptiger]

@Spartan117 they didnt stick to their price u can bet on that. he got more than they wanted to pay.

 

[balmain boy]

@bptiger Yep, Gutho won that battle!

 

[Nelson]

@Spartan117 Would this be panic buying though? Seems more like opportunistic buying to me.

I probably wouldn't call it panic buying but it is still a bit problematic. The guy is on a big contract and is going to want a big contract wherever he goes. The contract value he's on is based on what his potential was seen as back when he signed it and the expectation that he would be playing fullback. He hasn't really been playing fullback and he hasn't been setting the world alight on the wing either. How he would go at club level at fullback isn't really known and we already have a fullback that is on a considerable salary and probably isn't performing up to expectations - that's not a mistake we want to risk doubling down on.

We need to be getting players at salaries that match the kinds of performances they deliver on a regular basis, not players whose salaries are based on some purple patch of form or some hope that they'll suddenly deliver on unfulfilled potential...He's a red flag signing for me but if it happens it happens...

 

[avocadoontoast]

@Nelson Perhaps, but there's some dispute out there as to how much he's actually on. I've heard everything from $400k to $700k being discussed. Granted, $700k would be too expensive but at around $500k I think DWZ would be a very handy signing.