Wayne Bennet

[cnx_tigers]

The Knights are getting dusted by a TERRIBLE Raiders team…...........Raiders have made 1000 mistakes tonight, yet still are way too good.

This Knights team is one of the worst teams I can remember.

Rick Stone must be a genius to have got them to the top 8 last season. Bennet's coaching terribly this season.

Forget the past, THIS SEASON he's doing a shockingly bad job.

 

[Demonborger]

Compare dogs who came 9th last year to knights who came 8th. Both recruited players who were deemed by many to be good signings (Snowden vs Graham).

Dogs are 3rd, Knights are 3rd last.

Dogs are arguably the most entertaining to to watch this year, Knights are the worst team to watch.

Sure there are other factors such as injuries (Gidley vs Turner/Goodwin) but even so they are not the difference between the two teams. Perhaps one thing that should figure is the differences in organization culture but it is hard to see the off field culture having such an impact on the on field culture.

Simply put i think Des is a better person as coach than Bennett.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If theres one thing thats been proven with Newcastle this yr its that Rick Stone can coach. The next time the line about theres no one out there good enough to ever replace Sheens, they should remember his name

 

[cnx_tigers]

The Des Hasler v Bennet comparison is very valid…......they got teams around the same level (8 and 9) and Hasler has made every just about every Bulldog player better.

Conversely, absolutely no one has improved under Bennet..............and some, like Snowden and Mullen, have gone backwards to the point of doing absolutely nothing all season.

As people, I like Bennet.............can't stand Hasler.

But Dessie is a mile in front as a modern day coach.

 

[Bismark]

I think there's a massive culture issue with the Knights. Some of the stories I've heard Matt Johns tell on Triple M, Robbie O'Davis being done for drugs, Andrew Johns being done for drugs, it looks like that team had success on the back of some incredibly talented footballers, not on the back of amazing culture.

I think it's a bit of a boys club up there, and Bennett would not be impressed by that. Tries to change it, the players "revolt" if you will and stop putting in 100%. To me, that is the only logical explanation, and it's a stretch as it is. I do not understand how some of these players have just regressed into State Cup players. Snowden deadset wouldn't get a run at Parra.

On another note, Sheens got handed the reigns to the Tigers in 2003\. Nothing changed. 2004, he made some incredibly smart purchases, and yet in 2004 we still didn't click. It took until 2005 for him to get the best out of his players and to get a successful structure from a fringe top 8 team. Very different to a Dragons side which was a Prelminiary Finals team, but very similar to a Knights team that scrapped into the 8 because Souths choked.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

I don't under the fuss about Bennett. Bellamy is the best coach. If Bennett is so great and it's all about football then why didn't he go to Souths. He sold himself out. Unfortunately in this day & age money comes first. Isn't it the same for most of us. Bennett will buy a few more players, Gidley will be fit and rest assured you will see the Knights playing semi final football. Look at St. George without him. Bennett will be back. Right now he's like Maverick in Top Gun. Has his lows & disappointments but in time soars again.
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[cnx_tigers]

On another note, Sheens got handed the reigns to the Tigers in 2003\. Nothing changed. 2004, he made some incredibly smart purchases, and yet in 2004 we still didn't click. It took until 2005 for him to get the best out of his players and to get a successful structure from a fringe top 8 team. Very different to a Dragons side which was a Prelminiary Finals team, but very similar to a Knights team that scrapped into the 8 because Souths choked.

Yes, that's the challenge for Bennet now….....to build a team from scratch. (And I don't mean one like the Broncos where you have the entire QLD junior network to grab).

Is he capable of it? Let's see.

One interesting thing is that in FOUR YEARS at Saints and Newcastle, neither side really has any noted pattern of attack. Saints basically smothered their opposition with defense and relied on a Soward kick or Boyd overlap. Very, very basic stuff offensively.

Newcastle, so far, may be the worst offensive team we've seen for years.

Four years is a long time to not show you can coach any offensive structure.

Like him or loathe him, even at our lowest moments Sheensy's teams have run some amazingly creative attacking structures. Bennet's teams absolutely nothing outside of a few basic plays.

 

[reyre2000]

On another note, Sheens got handed the reigns to the Tigers in 2003\. Nothing changed. 2004, he made some incredibly smart purchases, and yet in 2004 we still didn't click. It took until 2005 for him to get the best out of his players and to get a successful structure from a fringe top 8 team. Very different to a Dragons side which was a Prelminiary Finals team, but very similar to a Knights team that scrapped into the 8 because Souths choked.

Yes, that's the challenge for Bennet now….....to build a team from scratch. (And I don't mean one like the Broncos where you have the entire QLD junior network to grab).

Is he capable of it? Let's see.

One interesting thing is that in FOUR YEARS at Saints and Newcastle, neither side really has any noted pattern of attack. Saints basically smothered their opposition with defense and relied on a Soward kick or Boyd overlap. Very, very basic stuff offensively.

Newcastle, so far, may be the worst offensive team we've seen for years.

Four years is a long time to not show you can coach any offensive structure.

Like him or loathe him, even at our lowest moments Sheensy's teams have run some amazingly creative attacking structures. Bennet's teams absolutely nothing outside of a few basic plays.

woah, Slow down there cnx, your talking way to much sense for this thread.

Lets just wait for the Bennett swallowers to try and counter this post.

 

[diedpretty]

If theres one thing thats been proven with Newcastle this yr its that Rick Stone can coach. The next time the line about theres no one out there good enough to ever replace Sheens, they should remember his name

I realise playing second fiddle to Bennett would make you almost non existent but Stone still is on the coaching staff at Newcastle and must have some input to the team and the way they play. Anyway back to Bennett - the two things that stand out to me is Newcastles inept defence and the amount of mistakes they make - they are nothing like a team normally coached by Bennett theat prides themselves as being the best in these two areas.

 

[Jazza]

On another note, Sheens got handed the reigns to the Tigers in 2003\. Nothing changed. 2004, he made some incredibly smart purchases, and yet in 2004 we still didn't click. It took until 2005 for him to get the best out of his players and to get a successful structure from a fringe top 8 team. Very different to a Dragons side which was a Prelminiary Finals team, but very similar to a Knights team that scrapped into the 8 because Souths choked.

Results wise nothing changed in 03, but there were signs that year because Sheens brought in a lot of promising youngsters such as Farah, Marshall, Halatau, Gibbs, Covell (Despite most of his success being at Cronulla) and Heighington. And we did have a few good wins that year. The one's that come to mind being beating the Bulldogs at the Showground, smashing Cronulla at LO, and beating Brisbane up in Brisbane.
I am not sure if we are seeing the same type of youngsters come through at Newcastle.

In 2004 we probably would of made the finals if it wasn't for Benji doing his shoulder twice and also for us copping a few shocking refereeing errors that cost us some matches that year.

 

[Yossarian]

On another note, Sheens got handed the reigns to the Tigers in 2003\. Nothing changed. 2004, he made some incredibly smart purchases, and yet in 2004 we still didn't click. It took until 2005 for him to get the best out of his players and to get a successful structure from a fringe top 8 team. Very different to a Dragons side which was a Prelminiary Finals team, but very similar to a Knights team that scrapped into the 8 because Souths choked.

Results wise nothing changed in 03, but there were signs that year because Sheens brought in a lot of promising youngsters such as Farah, Marshall, Halatau, Gibbs, Covell (Despite most of his success being at Cronulla) and Heighington. And we did have a few good wins that year. The one's that come to mind being beating the Bulldogs at the Showground, smashing Cronulla at LO, and beating Brisbane up in Brisbane.
I am not sure if we are seeing the same type of youngsters come through at Newcastle.

In 2004 we probably would of made the finals if it wasn't for Benji doing his shoulder twice and also for us copping a few shocking refereeing errors that cost us some matches that year.

I seem to remember Pat Richards getting dudded on a video ref try up in Brisbane in 2004\. Frustrating but compared to 2001-2003 it was a walk in the park!

 

[jason1976]

I don't under the fuss about Bennett. Bellamy is the best coach. If Bennett is so great and it's all about football then why didn't he go to Souths. He sold himself out. Unfortunately in this day & age money comes first. Isn't it the same for most of us. Bennett will buy a few more players, Gidley will be fit and rest assured you will see the Knights playing semi final football. Look at St. George without him. Bennett will be back. Right now he's like Maverick in Top Gun. Has his lows & disappointments but in time soars again.
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Of course Bellamy is the best coach… with total disregard for the salary cap how couldn't he be?!..
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[900large]

I think there's a massive culture issue with the Knights. Some of the stories I've heard Matt Johns tell on Triple M, Robbie O'Davis being done for drugs, Andrew Johns being done for drugs, it looks like that team had success on the back of some incredibly talented footballers, not on the back of amazing culture.

I think it's a bit of a boys club up there, and Bennett would not be impressed by that. Tries to change it, the players "revolt" if you will and stop putting in 100%. To me, that is the only logical explanation, and it's a stretch as it is. I do not understand how some of these players have just regressed into State Cup players. Snowden deadset wouldn't get a run at Parra.

On another note, Sheens got handed the reigns to the Tigers in 2003\. Nothing changed. 2004, he made some incredibly smart purchases, and yet in 2004 we still didn't click. It took until 2005 for him to get the best out of his players and to get a successful structure from a fringe top 8 team. Very different to a Dragons side which was a Prelminiary Finals team, but very similar to a Knights team that scrapped into the 8 because Souths choked.

Yes and no, the knights had a terrible culture of booze and drugs but that is what smith was brought in to fix and he did. The old knights culture is a thing of the past, (and by the way Matthew johns was no clean skin at all), I don't think the culture there now is all that different to elsewhere. There is probably some residual resentment that stone got shafted, coupled with the fact that the messiah coach isn't fixing the problems. I Honestly think Bennett was the wrong choice for them. A
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