Wests Tigers candidate Ivan Cleary admits he misses NRL coaching

[Eddie]

Smart move for Ivan and Pascoe.

Let the care taker lose to the Storm then come in ready for the Dragons.

I suppose no game for this squad is easy though.

 

[jirskyr]

OK so if it is Cleary, and a lot of people think he can indeed coach, I mean he comes to the club with a fair amount of respect and credibility despite having been sacked from his last role… how many poor results would it take for people to turn on him?

Does he get 2 seasons? 2 seasons and 3 rounds?

I'm not nay-saying, I think the guy has talent and a lot going for him, and that game-cred will go a long way compared to the already substantial number of people who disliked JT before he even joined the club.

I'm just saying out loud that I know our club and supporters, we have a poor history and a significant number of supporters turn on the coach fairly quickly, even inside the first year, if the results don't come.

If Cleary does indeed take over and we make the 8 this season, you can expect him to be allowed to stay on for some time I would think.

 

[innsaneink]

Ha, I forgot about the joke at the end of the presser. Can say what you like when you've been handed the blindfold I suppose.

It certainly made me think something was possibly about to happen

 

[claws]

Can someone explain what qualities Cleary would bring to the position and what he has won or accomplished in the NRL to date? After reading his comments, it appears he has only done what JT was doing - cleaning up a sports organisation. Go Weststigers!

 

[Eddie]

OK so if it is Cleary, and a lot of people think he can indeed coach, I mean he comes to the club with a fair amount of respect and credibility despite having been sacked from his last role… how many poor results would it take for people to turn on him?

Does he get 2 seasons? 2 seasons and 3 rounds?

I'm not nay-saying, I think the guy has talent and a lot going for him, and that game-cred will go a long way compared to the already substantial number of people who disliked JT before he even joined the club.

I'm just saying out loud that I know our club and supporters, we have a poor history and a significant number of supporters turn on the coach fairly quickly, even inside the first year, if the results don't come.

If Cleary does indeed take over and we make the 8 this season, you can expect him to be allowed to stay on for some time I would think.

I think most people WT fans were angry when Potter was not renewed and run of town.

The Same can't be said for JT - for a number of reasons.

People might have pre conceived ideas of a coach before they come in - However in the end the results give them some vindication.

Conceding 100 points in the first 3 games was a record for a number of years of any time.

I think if Cleary 3 years is a fair contract for any coach to prove their wears.. The problem for Taylor was his 3rd season starts awful and he had a really unique situation with our playing contracts.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Can someone explain what qualities Cleary would bring to the position and what he has won or accomplished in the NRL to date? After reading his comments, it appears he has only done what JT was doing - cleaning up a sports organisation. Go Weststigers!

Got the notoriously inconsistent Warriors to four finals appearances in six seasons, including one grand final, and took an injury ravaged Panthers team to within one game of the GF. Granted his other three seasons at Penrith were less than great but he can lead a team to win given the right cattle.

 

[TCL]

OK so if it is Cleary, and a lot of people think he can indeed coach, I mean he comes to the club with a fair amount of respect and credibility despite having been sacked from his last role… how many poor results would it take for people to turn on him?

Does he get 2 seasons? 2 seasons and 3 rounds?

I'm not nay-saying, I think the guy has talent and a lot going for him, and that game-cred will go a long way compared to the already substantial number of people who disliked JT before he even joined the club.

I'm just saying out loud that I know our club and supporters, we have a poor history and a significant number of supporters turn on the coach fairly quickly, even inside the first year, if the results don't come.

If Cleary does indeed take over and we make the 8 this season, you can expect him to be allowed to stay on for some time I would think.

I think any coach going into any club receives backlash from fans when they are not performing.

But i think IC's appointment will be good for us. For starters he is the first established coach since Sheens and for the bad times we lived under sheens there was also the only good times in our short history.

IC is respected and has a connection with at least 2 key players in our group. He obviously has the respect of Pascoe which will help to keep the board of his back. I would say he will make it known to the club that he will do his best this year with the team but it will be a watershed year to an extent and i am confident the board won't assess him on this year to a degree.

His background with the refs might even get us a decent rub of the green with decisions and at least he will have a rapport with the refs that may aid is in addressing so called discipline issues.

He will also get to work with the team and effectively have a 12 month preseason.

Onwards and upwards.

 

[jirskyr]

OK so if it is Cleary, and a lot of people think he can indeed coach, I mean he comes to the club with a fair amount of respect and credibility despite having been sacked from his last role… how many poor results would it take for people to turn on him?

Does he get 2 seasons? 2 seasons and 3 rounds?

I'm not nay-saying, I think the guy has talent and a lot going for him, and that game-cred will go a long way compared to the already substantial number of people who disliked JT before he even joined the club.

I'm just saying out loud that I know our club and supporters, we have a poor history and a significant number of supporters turn on the coach fairly quickly, even inside the first year, if the results don't come.

If Cleary does indeed take over and we make the 8 this season, you can expect him to be allowed to stay on for some time I would think.

I think most people WT fans were angry when Potter was not renewed and run of town.

The Same can't be said for JT - for a number of reasons.

People might have pre conceived ideas of a coach before they come in - However in the end the results give them some vindication.

Conceding 100 points in the first 3 games was a record for a number of years of any time.

I think if Cleary 3 years is a fair contract for any coach to prove their wears.. The problem for Taylor was his 3rd season starts awful and he had a really unique situation with our playing contracts.

Honestly I cannot see any difference between the situations of JT and Potter, except JT got 3 more rounds. They both came in with average coaching records, both respected footballers with some evidence of a mind for the game, both picking up the pieces of a previous poor tenure, both dealing with salary cap issues, both got fairly ordinary results all-around.

The main difference I can see is temperament and style - JT rubbed some people the wrong way and it made the results worse, even if they technically were better than Potter. More people liked Potter's approach, even if his results were ordinary.

I mean some people today are saying that Aaron Woods said everything about Taylor in recent media by in fact saying nothing, i.e. that he can't coach and the players don't want him there. Robbie Farah reportedly said Potter could not coach either, that's as close to on-record as I've ever seen about a player saying that, and yet Potter still comes out with a better reputation.

Potter's team finished 2014 with 6 losses from 7, a combined score 235-76, I don't know how anyone can forget this. That's the reason he got the punt, same as why Taylor gets the punt now, a run of such unacceptably heavy losses.

 

[Eddie]

You say you can't see any differences between the 2.

Then you go and list the reasons why some people sided with Potter and not JT. One was dignified and humble. Taylor was a smart arse who took pot shots at previous coaches. You answered my question in some respects.

I guess the difference with Potters heavy losses were they were with a team decimated by injury. Jt teams were at near full strength. Do you remember Potter having to play Corey Patterson on the wing? I can't even remember who was trying to play fullback instead of Teddy?

 

[Geo]

Hold on they made the decision in 18hrs..

 

[Milky]

OK so if it is Cleary, and a lot of people think he can indeed coach, I mean he comes to the club with a fair amount of respect and credibility despite having been sacked from his last role… how many poor results would it take for people to turn on him?

Does he get 2 seasons? 2 seasons and 3 rounds?

I'm not nay-saying, I think the guy has talent and a lot going for him, and that game-cred will go a long way compared to the already substantial number of people who disliked JT before he even joined the club.

I'm just saying out loud that I know our club and supporters, we have a poor history and a significant number of supporters turn on the coach fairly quickly, even inside the first year, if the results don't come.

If Cleary does indeed take over and we make the 8 this season, you can expect him to be allowed to stay on for some time I would think.

I think most people WT fans were angry when Potter was not renewed and run of town.

The Same can't be said for JT - for a number of reasons.

People might have pre conceived ideas of a coach before they come in - However in the end the results give them some vindication.

Conceding 100 points in the first 3 games was a record for a number of years of any time.

I think if Cleary 3 years is a fair contract for any coach to prove their wears.. The problem for Taylor was his 3rd season starts awful and he had a really unique situation with our playing contracts.

Honestly I cannot see any difference between the situations of JT and Potter, except JT got 3 more rounds. They both came in with average coaching records, both respected footballers with some evidence of a mind for the game, both picking up the pieces of a previous poor tenure, both dealing with salary cap issues, both got fairly ordinary results all-around.

The main difference I can see is temperament and style - JT rubbed some people the wrong way and it made the results worse, even if they technically were better than Potter. More people liked Potter's approach, even if his results were ordinary.

I mean some people today are saying that Aaron Woods said everything about Taylor in recent media by in fact saying nothing, i.e. that he can't coach and the players don't want him there. Robbie Farah reportedly said Potter could not coach either, that's as close to on-record as I've ever seen about a player saying that, and yet Potter still comes out with a better reputation.

Potter's team finished 2014 with 6 losses from 7, a combined score 235-76, I don't know how anyone can forget this. That's the reason he got the punt, same as why Taylor gets the punt now, a run of such unacceptably heavy losses.

Potter experienced the worst run of injuries in the clubs history. Prior to that run we were doing well. Brooks played his best football under Potter, the magic he and Tedesco used to produce was breathtaking.

Unfortunately, there is not much you can do though when your whole side is injured.

 

[TCL]

OK so if it is Cleary, and a lot of people think he can indeed coach, I mean he comes to the club with a fair amount of respect and credibility despite having been sacked from his last role… how many poor results would it take for people to turn on him?

Does he get 2 seasons? 2 seasons and 3 rounds?

I'm not nay-saying, I think the guy has talent and a lot going for him, and that game-cred will go a long way compared to the already substantial number of people who disliked JT before he even joined the club.

I'm just saying out loud that I know our club and supporters, we have a poor history and a significant number of supporters turn on the coach fairly quickly, even inside the first year, if the results don't come.

If Cleary does indeed take over and we make the 8 this season, you can expect him to be allowed to stay on for some time I would think.

I think most people WT fans were angry when Potter was not renewed and run of town.

The Same can't be said for JT - for a number of reasons.

People might have pre conceived ideas of a coach before they come in - However in the end the results give them some vindication.

Conceding 100 points in the first 3 games was a record for a number of years of any time.

I think if Cleary 3 years is a fair contract for any coach to prove their wears.. The problem for Taylor was his 3rd season starts awful and he had a really unique situation with our playing contracts.

Honestly I cannot see any difference between the situations of JT and Potter, except JT got 3 more rounds. They both came in with average coaching records, both respected footballers with some evidence of a mind for the game, both picking up the pieces of a previous poor tenure, both dealing with salary cap issues, both got fairly ordinary results all-around.

The main difference I can see is temperament and style - JT rubbed some people the wrong way and it made the results worse, even if they technically were better than Potter. More people liked Potter's approach, even if his results were ordinary.

I mean some people today are saying that Aaron Woods said everything about Taylor in recent media by in fact saying nothing, i.e. that he can't coach and the players don't want him there. Robbie Farah reportedly said Potter could not coach either, that's as close to on-record as I've ever seen about a player saying that, and yet Potter still comes out with a better reputation.

Potter's team finished 2014 with 6 losses from 7, a combined score 235-76, I don't know how anyone can forget this. That's the reason he got the punt, same as why Taylor gets the punt now, a run of such unacceptably heavy losses.

I can, Allegedly, Farah got Potter punted and Allegedly, the Fab 4 got JT punted.

 

[mike]

Cleary will be the next WT head coach.

 

[Glennb]

Honestly I cannot see any difference between the situations of JT and Potter, except JT got 3 more rounds. They both came in with average coaching records, both respected footballers with some evidence of a mind for the game, both picking up the pieces of a previous poor tenure, both dealing with salary cap issues, both got fairly ordinary results all-around.

The main difference I can see is temperament and style - JT rubbed some people the wrong way and it made the results worse, even if they technically were better than Potter. More people liked Potter's approach, even if his results were ordinary.

I mean some people today are saying that Aaron Woods said everything about Taylor in recent media by in fact saying nothing, i.e. that he can't coach and the players don't want him there. Robbie Farah reportedly said Potter could not coach either, that's as close to on-record as I've ever seen about a player saying that, and yet Potter still comes out with a better reputation.

Potter's team finished 2014 with 6 losses from 7, a combined score 235-76, I don't know how anyone can forget this. That's the reason he got the punt, same as why Taylor gets the punt now, a run of such unacceptably heavy losses.

The difference between Potter & Taylor is simple. Improvement. The team was clearly and consistently getting better and you could clearly see where it was going. That last season was destroyed by injuries but for a large chunk of it we were still in contention. Potter was harshly dealt with. There is NO imorovement in any aspect with Taylor. The opposite actually and other than clearing out deadwood and backended deals, do clear direction.

 

[Snake]

The only variable for me in regards to IC is when he was at Penrith the injury situation was dire so with that hopefully his management of S& C has improved.

 

[Furious1]

The only variable for me in regards to IC is when he was at Penrith the injury situation was dire so with that hopefully his management of S& C has improved.

With that dire injury toll they still made the top 4 one of those seasons. Says to me his players play with passion and don't roll over so easily

 

[PJ_]

Whats the bet if we lose this week he'll be coach by nxt week?

Why would win or lose matter? You think they want to see if we win to give Webster the gig?

Nah. I was thinking more from a PR perspective. I remember hearing from a coach a while back about most of them not wanting to headhunt another Coach's job. Its probably BS though. I think Cleary has already signed and they are just waiting. Plus it is the Tigers, we excel at Public Relations 😱pen_mouth:

 

[Furious1]

Incidentally Cleary is nearly the last throw of the dice for this club. You can only bumble and fumble your way along for so long before sponsors etc jump ship

I'm pleased this decision was made this early in the season. To me and contrary to what the experts are saying, I see it as strong leadership. Not prepared to let us plod.When you claim you're going to fix the defence and going into a third year of a contract, you're team still conceded more than 30 points in four of the last seven games, its become clear you have failed. There was going to be no miracle. For whatever reasons JT was not the answer.

 

[Snake]

Incidentally Cleary is nearly the last throw of the dice for this club. You can only bumble and fumble your way along for so long before sponsors etc jump ship

I'm pleased this decision was made this early in the season. To me and contrary to what the experts are saying, I see it as strong leadership. Not prepared to let us plod.When you claim you're going to fix the defence and going into a third year of a contract, you're team still conceded more than 30 points in four of the last seven games, its become clear you have failed. There was going to be no miracle. For whatever reasons JT was not the answer.

I agree on this being a critical appointment as I see the club disappearing in the next few years if no success is achieved.

 

[rozelle_rudy]

Why rush? The board should take its time and get it right. It should look beyond anyone not currently a head coach and try to snare a current NRL coach at a club doing well. Like Hasler.