Wests Tigers' cubs must grow up

I'm sorry but people need to erase 2005 from their brains as far as comparisons with 2015 are

The game will never be played that way again

We were in the right place at the right time with the right team in 2005
 
@jirskyr said:
@Geo. said:
I think the GF team needs looking at I'm sure they played games in 2005 eg Hodgo 146 Rd1… 146 GF...don't make sense....but i get your drift jirskyr...

I said it in the text, it is the # games played until the end of the 2004 season for both 2005 sides, so you can compare apples with apples.

Point simon was making was that the 2005 side did not have much experience at the start of the season, no matter whether you look at the Rd 1 or GF side. ink says there was far more experience in that side, which simply isn't true, people continue to say it. There is this mindset that the 2015 side is vastly inexperienced, but actually it stacks up reasonably well against previous Tigers sides.

Where we lack experience is in the spine and of course that is important. But Prince and Hodgo were picked up nearly off the scrapheap, Benji and Farah had only a handful of games experience and that spine took us to the comp.

Pat Richards has played 37 games for Parra, 57 for Tigers and 224 for Wigan.
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Ah my bad,,,,perhaps I should have read what you wrote instead of just looking at the figures…...

Good point you raise regarding the experience and I agree but I guess the next comeback will be the experience is in the wrong areas....

I might add that while Teddy Nofo Simona Sue Siro Marty and Ava are still young,,,,I wouldn't classify them as rookies either....
 
Good post Jirskyr. There is plenty of experience in this side and whilst there may be the odd hurdle and flat spot during the season, there is no reason why this squad cannot compete with the other sides. As an out of towner, the signs are good, young squad, plenty of skills and ability and a change of direction on the coaching and management front. What can we do about it, support them during the season and they will achieve. I will be there at the Gold Coast round 1 to see the game. We demolished them last year and Brooks have a blinder in the 20's that day.
 
@Twmba Tigerman said:
I will be there at the Gold Coast round 1 to see the game. We demolished them last year and Brooks have a blinder in the 20's that day.
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I don't think Brooks played 20s last year.
 
I must admit Im frothing to see our 1/6/7/9 on the field and firing together.

IMO this has the potential to be the best in the comp.

Brooksy and Moses have a history together, and on the occasions they combined they looked ridiculous.

And lets not forget how looked Teddy and Brooksy looked playing off eachother.

All we need is Robbie sans dramas to get back to his top form and we have a spine that could do anything.

Gloom and doomers can whine all they like,but if u cant see the potential there then its time for more beer!!
 
@happy tiger said:
I'm sorry but people need to erase 2005 from their brains as far as comparisons with 2015 are

The game will never be played that way again

We were in the right place at the right time with the right team in 2005
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I disagree happy. Who is to say in Dec/14 that we don't have the right team for the conditions that emerge in 2015? Because if you can say that with certainty, get out your wallet and run down to the TAB, because you have next year already figured out.

I agree that 2015 probably won't see a return to the style of football predominant in 2005, but we don't have the same type of team either.

What I think 2005 shows is that if the basics of a team are there - talent, power speed, experience, youth, some depth - then anything is possible.

Depending on your opinion, we may have more or less of the required qualities to win a comp. What I personally take from 2005 is that you don't need a mad roster on Day 1 to go all the way. Much much more important is that you have potential in all positions, that your players play to their best all at the same time, that injuries are kind, and that the team develops a momentum that ensures more close wins than close losses.

Personally, as a supporter I struggle most with the enduring Tigers reputation, that we are mostly flashy, get run over by big teams, don't know how to protect a lead, drop our bundle in high-stakes games, are not professional enough.

So I don't mind a good injection of youth, try to tip that culture away from the Benji-era flash into something more reliable and less damaging to the blood pressure.

And if you told me at the start of 2005 that this upstart kid with bung shoulders, injury-prone half and a centre pairing of Elford/Whatuira would take the comp, I'd have laughed at you.

2005 just shows you that even the best judges don't really know anything. Arguably, 2015 is a better side than 2005 - we actually have two consistently-selected rep players, a strong number of juniors emerging at the same time, a new coach and management team with fresh ideas.

I just want to see them get out there and stuck into it.
 
@jirskyr said:
@happy tiger said:
I'm sorry but people need to erase 2005 from their brains as far as comparisons with 2015 are

The game will never be played that way again

We were in the right place at the right time with the right team in 2005

I disagree happy. Who is to say in Dec/14 that we don't have the right team for the conditions that emerge in 2015? Because if you can say that with certainty, get out your wallet and run down to the TAB, because you have next year already figured out.

I agree that 2015 probably won't see a return to the style of football predominant in 2005, but we don't have the same type of team either.

What I think 2005 shows is that if the basics of a team are there - talent, power speed, experience, youth, some depth - then anything is possible.

Depending on your opinion, we may have more or less of the required qualities to win a comp. What I personally take from 2005 is that you don't need a mad roster on Day 1 to go all the way. Much much more important is that you have potential in all positions, that your players play to their best all at the same time, that injuries are kind, and that the team develops a momentum that ensures more close wins than close losses.

Personally, as a supporter I struggle most with the enduring Tigers reputation, that we are mostly flashy, get run over by big teams, don't know how to protect a lead, drop our bundle in high-stakes games, are not professional enough.

So I don't mind a good injection of youth, try to tip that culture away from the Benji-era flash into something more reliable and less damaging to the blood pressure.

And if you told me at the start of 2005 that this upstart kid with bung shoulders, injury-prone half and a centre pairing of Elford/Whatuira would take the comp, I'd have laughed at you.

2005 just shows you that even the best judges don't really know anything. Arguably, 2015 is a better side than 2005 - we actually have two consistently-selected rep players, a strong number of juniors emerging at the same time, a new coach and management team with fresh ideas.

I just want to see them get out there and stuck into it.
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Love your post and agree with you jirskyr !
 
Our spine is fantastic, anyone who thinks anyone is arguing that needs to have another beer.

The issue is what else is there? Not much, and if that awesome spine goes down with injury, what happens then?
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Our spine is fantastic, anyone who thinks anyone is arguing that needs to have another beer.

The issue is what else is there? Not much, and if that awesome spine goes down with injury, what happens then?
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Same thing that will happen to the other 15 teams if their spine goes down
 
in a nutshell teams - injury free teams - or luckier times - moreover the teams with the least injuries hold the aces.

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@king sirro said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
Our spine is fantastic, anyone who thinks anyone is arguing that needs to have another beer.

The issue is what else is there? Not much, and if that awesome spine goes down with injury, what happens then?

Same thing that will happen to the other 15 teams if their spine goes down
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Spot on…take DCE and Foran from Manly, Smith and Cronk from the Storm, Reynolds and Inglis from Souths, Pearce and Maloney form the Rorters the list goes on... for extended periods and see how they would cope,,,,,,

The team with the most stability in the squad goes close to,,,if not wins the Comp...
 
Except the majority of those sides have considerable better depth than us. Outside of the spine we have Woods and Taupau, that's it. Skin and bones everywhere else.
 
Aren't we talking about depth in the spine and the effects that has on how teams cope regardless of other positions… 😕
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
Except the majority of those sides have considerable better depth than us. Outside of the spine we have Woods and Taupau, that's it. Skin and bones everywhere else.
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I don't think it matters how good their rosters are outside of the spine. If they lose one or maybe 2 out of the 4 then every team would fail to make the 8\. I see your point, and I think your right about us, but I honestly think no team can cover the losses we are referring to here
 
Hey, i'm not all doom and gloom, there is a bit to excited about, namely the spine, but we need more than that. We have no back row and only one decent centre, so you can only imagine the depth, or lack thereof if any of them go down. The better teams can afford injuries cos of depth, we can't. Only chance we've got is to have a dream run with injuries
 
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