Wests Tigers forwards - Can they shake the pussy cat tag?

[happy_tiger]

I disagree with the premise you have to be a thug and a grub to be effective, personally I never played footy to show how tough I am (mainly cause i'm not real tough) and everytime a bloke whacked me or took a cheap shot or talked about my mum or my sister Id get that feeling that they were getting desperate and I was getting on top and the penalty is well worth it.

Id much rather an effective disciplined player like Shane Webcke or Glen Lazarus, both of which claim to be not so good on the knuckle, altho i suspect they'd go ok, than a hard nut who smashes blokes and is hard, but gives away penalties and doesn't necessary stick to the plan.

I agree we need more go forward and more important need to tighten the defence to stop forwards getting on top of us, this is somewhat due to personal and somewhat due to style.

I think people are over reacting a bit as well, we did run top 4 in consecutive years, we are not th basket case that people are saying.

Not a basket case Goose

Your kidding right ??

We just sacked our coach but kept him in the organization which will only inflame the Pro Sheens agenda which will still exist at the club (including some players)

Then we have the Anti Sheens agenda which will still be not happy Sheens is still here

When things do go bad at some stage ,these two will probably clash and the fall out will be extreme imo

If we make the 8 with the current playing personnel it will be a miracle and Potter should be seen as the Messiah

Not to mention we start back from the players off season and we still have at least 2 players uncontracted for 2013

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I disagree with the premise you have to be a thug and a grub to be effective, personally I never played footy to show how tough I am (mainly cause i'm not real tough) and everytime a bloke whacked me or took a cheap shot or talked about my mum or my sister Id get that feeling that they were getting desperate and I was getting on top and the penalty is well worth it.

Id much rather an effective disciplined player like Shane Webcke or Glen Lazarus, both of which claim to be not so good on the knuckle, altho i suspect they'd go ok, than a hard nut who smashes blokes and is hard, but gives away penalties and doesn't necessary stick to the plan.

I agree we need more go forward and more important need to tighten the defence to stop forwards getting on top of us, this is somewhat due to personal and somewhat due to style.

I think people are over reacting a bit as well, we did run top 4 in consecutive years, we are not th basket case that people are saying.

I agree.

We have to improve our attitude (we did not show the right attitude in too many games);
We have to play much stronger defence
We shall have maximum 20 missed tackles per game
Our FB shall be much better under high ball
KIck returns shall provide solid basis for the attack
We have to consistently make at least 50m
Most of our forwards are skilful and can offload, hopefully we will see components of 'Dogs style' forward attack
We must play much better on 5 and 6th
Much better kick chase - we can do it with faster wingers

This side can do it, however, everything is speculative ATM, we will have much better picture after a few trials.

Go Tigers

 

[happy_tiger]

I disagree with the premise you have to be a thug and a grub to be effective, personally I never played footy to show how tough I am (mainly cause i'm not real tough) and everytime a bloke whacked me or took a cheap shot or talked about my mum or my sister Id get that feeling that they were getting desperate and I was getting on top and the penalty is well worth it.

Id much rather an effective disciplined player like Shane Webcke or Glen Lazarus, both of which claim to be not so good on the knuckle, altho i suspect they'd go ok, than a hard nut who smashes blokes and is hard, but gives away penalties and doesn't necessary stick to the plan.

I agree we need more go forward and more important need to tighten the defence to stop forwards getting on top of us, this is somewhat due to personal and somewhat due to style.

I think people are over reacting a bit as well, we did run top 4 in consecutive years, we are not th basket case that people are saying.

I agree.

We have to improve our attitude (we did not show the right attitude in too many games);
We have to play much stronger defence
We shall have maximum 20 missed tackles per game
Our FB shall be much better under high ball
KIck returns shall provide solid basis for the attack
We have to consistently make at least 50m
Most of our forwards are skilful and can offload, hopefully we will see components of 'Dogs style' forward attack
We must play much better on 5 and 6th
Much better kick chase - we can do it with faster wingers

This side can do it, however, everything is speculative ATM, we will have much better picture after a few trials.

Go Tigers

How does having fast wingers help with kick chase ??

Your kick chase can only be as fast as your slowest player

If not you give blokes Barba ,Slater Hayne and Stewart an easy 30-40 metres and us on the back foot because we didn't move up in a solid straight line

 

[cusschops]

I am not a PC person. I dont give 2 hoots about the huge amount of charity work this club does. I dont smile when the papers report the Tigers have visited a cancer riddled child mid week, promise him/her a victory and then proceed to be pantsed on the weekend. I dont care that we are perceived to be a "good guys club".

I am not the type of bloke who gloats over good news stories or always does what is socially acceptable. I have many enemies. The reason i am this way is because I do not suffer fools and more importantly **POST EDITED BY ADMIN**. I along with the majority on here riled up against Matty Johns's assessmnent that our forward pack was soft at this years start. I did not want to believe it and I had a personal vendetta against the complainant.

Truth be told, the Wests Tigers have always been creampuffs….creampuffs that is with a hell of a lot of talent. There is not one forward in this squad that would scare me to go one-on-one with...nor has here ever been....they are not that type of bloke. They are tireless workers and that is highly commendable but they have never possessed a mongrel who scares the opposition. As an opposition forward, there has never been a Tigers forward who I wouldnt be scared to run at. They just tackle you...they dont smash your nose and lie on top of you telling you how sweet your daughter is...they dont pack into a scrum and tell you that on your next run your neck will be broken, then tell you how sweet your daughter is....for gods sakes, you would be unlucky if 2 or more of them met you at the advantage line. All you have to do is take the tackle, quickly play the ball and get ready for your next asault. It isnt a hard gig.

By all reports Potter is a defence orientated coach. I really hope this is so because in this day and age you need a tough forward pack....one who is prepared to hurt the opposition. One who is prepared to make the opposites know they will be in a war. My major criticism of the pack has been, for a few years now, Keith. He is big, he is strong and he is soft. No one is scared of him, no one thinks twice about running straight at him. He just does the bare minimum and that is all...and he is not on his Pat Malone. Is anyone scared of being tackled by Liam? By Robbie? by Blair? Take the Roosters forwards for example. They are usually behind us on the table but relish the games against us. I can not think of the last game that we bested them in the forwards. They always bash us. Sometimes our blokes really aim up (think the Broncs and St George this year) but on the whole we are soft in the forwards. I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds...but am asking for a pack that will hit their opposites every time they have the balls to run straight.

We have a talented side, we also have a collection of media darlings who will attend to a charity at the drop of the hat. How about in season 2013 we have a pack of blokes who are hated in RL circles due to their aggression, their lack of empathy and their mongrel attitude? A pack who arent considered "good blokes"? A pack who will risk it all to get on top?

Maybe then Benji and Robbie will have the space to create our attack......

Times have changed! It's not the 70's anymore
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[Anthism]

I disagree with the premise you have to be a thug and a grub to be effective, personally I never played footy to show how tough I am (mainly cause i'm not real tough) and everytime a bloke whacked me or took a cheap shot or talked about my mum or my sister Id get that feeling that they were getting desperate and I was getting on top and the penalty is well worth it.

Id much rather an effective disciplined player like Shane Webcke or Glen Lazarus, both of which claim to be not so good on the knuckle, altho i suspect they'd go ok, than a hard nut who smashes blokes and is hard, but gives away penalties and doesn't necessary stick to the plan.

I agree we need more go forward and more important need to tighten the defence to stop forwards getting on top of us, this is somewhat due to personal and somewhat due to style.

I think people are over reacting a bit as well, we did run top 4 in consecutive years, we are not th basket case that people are saying.

I agree.

We have to improve our attitude (we did not show the right attitude in too many games);
We have to play much stronger defence
We shall have maximum 20 missed tackles per game
Our FB shall be much better under high ball
KIck returns shall provide solid basis for the attack
We have to consistently make at least 50m
Most of our forwards are skilful and can offload, hopefully we will see components of 'Dogs style' forward attack
We must play much better on 5 and 6th
Much better kick chase - we can do it with faster wingers

This side can do it, however, everything is speculative ATM, we will have much better picture after a few trials.

Go Tigers

How does having fast wingers help with kick chase ??

Your kick chase can only be as fast as your slowest player

If not you give blokes Barba ,Slater Hayne and Stewart an easy 30-40 metres and us on the back foot because we didn't move up in a solid straight line

I'm assuming he means forcing drop outs due to pressure. I think that's more focus on the kicker though
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[weststigers4life]

I am not a PC person. I dont give 2 hoots about the huge amount of charity work this club does. I dont smile when the papers report the Tigers have visited a cancer riddled child mid week, promise him/her a victory and then proceed to be pantsed on the weekend. I dont care that we are perceived to be a "good guys club".

I am not the type of bloke who gloats over good news stories or always does what is socially acceptable. I have many enemies. The reason i am this way is because I do not suffer fools and more importantly **POST EDITED BY ADMIN**. I along with the majority on here riled up against Matty Johns's assessmnent that our forward pack was soft at this years start. I did not want to believe it and I had a personal vendetta against the complainant.

Truth be told, the Wests Tigers have always been creampuffs….creampuffs that is with a hell of a lot of talent. There is not one forward in this squad that would scare me to go one-on-one with...nor has here ever been....they are not that type of bloke. They are tireless workers and that is highly commendable but they have never possessed a mongrel who scares the opposition. As an opposition forward, there has never been a Tigers forward who I wouldnt be scared to run at. They just tackle you...they dont smash your nose and lie on top of you telling you how sweet your daughter is...they dont pack into a scrum and tell you that on your next run your neck will be broken, then tell you how sweet your daughter is....for gods sakes, you would be unlucky if 2 or more of them met you at the advantage line. All you have to do is take the tackle, quickly play the ball and get ready for your next asault. It isnt a hard gig.

By all reports Potter is a defence orientated coach. I really hope this is so because in this day and age you need a tough forward pack....one who is prepared to hurt the opposition. One who is prepared to make the opposites know they will be in a war. My major criticism of the pack has been, for a few years now, Keith. He is big, he is strong and he is soft. No one is scared of him, no one thinks twice about running straight at him. He just does the bare minimum and that is all...and he is not on his Pat Malone. Is anyone scared of being tackled by Liam? By Robbie? by Blair? Take the Roosters forwards for example. They are usually behind us on the table but relish the games against us. I can not think of the last game that we bested them in the forwards. They always bash us. Sometimes our blokes really aim up (think the Broncs and St George this year) but on the whole we are soft in the forwards. I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds...but am asking for a pack that will hit their opposites every time they have the balls to run straight.

We have a talented side, we also have a collection of media darlings who will attend to a charity at the drop of the hat. How about in season 2013 we have a pack of blokes who are hated in RL circles due to their aggression, their lack of empathy and their mongrel attitude? A pack who arent considered "good blokes"? A pack who will risk it all to get on top?

Maybe then Benji and Robbie will have the space to create our attack......

Good post Stryker
I would go even further & say that we as a team, don't react well to adversity on the field. More often than not we would concede a soft try or have a poor 10 minute period after things didn't go our way. Whilst being a Sheens fan up until this year & that it was now finally time the players had a new coach next year. I believe that everything can't just all be put down to Sheens fault & that the players have to accept some responsibility for some of the inept performances this year. I'm glad that the club sacked Sheens & offloaded some players (just not how they did it) as it's the shake up the joint needed.

 

[Snodgrass]

Two most salient points to come from this thread are that,

(1) …From his own description, Stryker would appear to be a particularly unsavory character, and actually wears the fact as some kind of badge of honor. Yeah who cares about sick kids when there's a game of footy to be won (fool).

(2) ... The Goose is actually no goose at all and makes a heap of sense on most issues.

As for the subject ... Yeah yeah, dominant forwards lay the platform for success.
Rugby League 101 ... Yawn.
Thanks for the bleedin obvious.

 

[innsaneink]

Threads an eye opener, showing quite a bit who knows what about the game….and moreso who doesnt know very much at all....and who doesnt read and misses the point

Goose: In '10 & '11 we had one of the toughest ever bastards to pull on a boot do defense, strength & fitness for our team....no surprise those two seasons were probably our best ever.

Im sure Stryker would love a pack full of players that embodied everything Steve Folkes stood for when he played the game..

I know I would.
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I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds.
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Times have changed! It's not the 70's anymore
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I disagree with the premise you have to be a thug and a grub to be effective
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I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds.

 

[Demonborger]

It's about discipline and effectiveness, not about aggression and thuggery. I want a pack that smothers the opposition and shuts their attack down, rather than some cheap shots or tackles that glance off the attacker and open up huge gaps. I want an attack that make good meters and provides quick play the balls, or uses their ball skills and offloads to open up space for our halves and backs to exploit.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

groat didnt help us. some say he's just too young. Not his fault. Its obvious that Stryker has been affected by Potter. Thats because Potter is the real deal. Some people know right away whilst others need time. Nothing wrong with that. No one gets out alive. Life is a state of mind. Back to summer.
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[innsaneink]

Cant play the game without aggression…just doesnt work

 

[happy_tiger]

Threads an eye opener, showing quite a bit who knows what about the game….and moreso who doesnt know very much at all....and who doesnt read and misses the point

Goose: In '10 & '11 we had one of the toughest ever bastards to pull on a boot do defense, strength & fitness for our team....no surprise those two seasons were probably our best ever.

Im sure Stryker would love a pack full of players that embodied everything Steve Folkes stood for when he played the game..

I know I would.
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I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds.
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Times have changed! It's not the 70's anymore
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I disagree with the premise you have to be a thug and a grub to be effective
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I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds.

x 2 We want blokes who are mentally and physically strong and who won't shirk the task at the first sign of trouble

Some people need to take their heads from where the sun doesn't shine and realize that 2005 is gone and that the modern game is based on the wrestle and physical dominance and that is something we are very weak at due to lack of size

Snod it might be rugby league 101 but without it forget about it You won't win a premiership

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Love the passion Stryker, but talking about another guys daughter in that context?

Wives/gf's are one thing, but daughters??? thats kinda wrong

 

[Snodgrass]

Snod it might be rugby league 101 but without it forget about it You won't win a premiership

Absolutely HT … My weariness was aimed at the bleeding obviousness of that point.
Forwards that go forward, a cohesive and enthusiastic defense, discipline both with and without the ball, a high completion rate, garters in to keep the socks up, no booze after midnight the night before a game (OK 3AM if it's a night game) ... All obvious stuff that really doesn't need be said ... Or does it ?????

 

[innsaneink]

It does re: WTs

 

[happy_tiger]

Love the passion Stryker, but talking about another guys daughter in that context?

Wives/gf's are one thing, but daughters??? thats kinda wrong

See your point GNR , but it is only talk

Players are looking for that 1%ers that we talk about ,and if you can get under some ones skin …. draw a penalty and turn the game ........ well thats rugby league

Use to love the sledge on the field .

 

[weststigers4life]

Love the passion Stryker, but talking about another guys daughter in that context?

Wives/gf's are one thing, but daughters??? thats kinda wrong

See your point GNR , but it is only talk

Players are looking for that 1%ers that we talk about ,and if you can get under some ones skin …. draw a penalty and turn the game ........ well thats rugby league

Use to love the sledge on the field .

Classic example was the game against the Knights, when we were all over them & it was our feed about 10 meters out from their line when Snowden? sledged Cashmere & he started throwing punches & the momentum totally changed.

 

[Goose]

Threads an eye opener, showing quite a bit who knows what about the game….and moreso who doesnt know very much at all....and who doesnt read and misses the point

Goose: In '10 & '11 we had one of the toughest ever bastards to pull on a boot do defense, strength & fitness for our team....no surprise those two seasons were probably our best ever.

Im sure Stryker would love a pack full of players that embodied everything Steve Folkes stood for when he played the game..

I know I would.
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I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds.
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Times have changed! It's not the 70's anymore
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I disagree with the premise you have to be a thug and a grub to be effective
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I am not asking for a pack of Les Boyds.

Are you implying I know nothing about the game and miss the point?? Or Iam I misinterpreting cause my name is mentioned.

I know the OP clarified by saying he didnt want a pack of Les Boyds and understands it is not the 70's But he did also say he wouldn't be scared to go the knuckle with our blokes and wanted those who would, mentioned smashing blokes noses and wanted blokes to talk about wives and all that….

I dont reckon you need all that, I would love a pack full of Steve Folkes type players, but he is not the player the OP described in the post.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

I wouldnt mind 5 Les Boyds and one hooker.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

ok change that - 2 terry randalls, 2 les boys, robbie farah, and one John Donnelly. RIP