Wests Tigers have an identity crisis

[Tiger_Watto]

Im as staunch a Magpie as they come, but even i have a chuckle when this constitution business is brought up

In my experience, people only bring up matters of a constitution to hinder progress… I've never seen any partners raise the subject of constitution while a company is in growth and paying dividends.

While the structure is somewhat different in relation to the Wests Tigers, I would sense the current growth is very positive, and the proposed expansion of WT's role in the Macarthur region will only provide further growth in the WT brand, providing greater dividends in the future to the people of Macarthur & owners of the Wests Tigers!

 

[Guest]

I have the Wests Magpies letter sent to the Wests Junior league back in 1999 by Warren.

I also have the reply from Julie Luke on behalf of the Wests Junior League rejecting the proposal.

I dont know about your claims. I know Kevin was in discussion with the Junior League. I know it started of well, then things went sour. I dont know the exact details but i can find out.

The question still remains, why werent the Wests Junior League affiliated in the first place?

For the love of god Galahs did I not just answer that.
What do you get out of muck raking.
I don't no or care what warrens proposal was, I wasn't around in that time,but I was when they agreed to affiate
They said yes we will affiate
They were ignored
I am a simple volunteer.
Seems to me it was your beloved magpies that stuffed up, but you still want to stir
You are the expert in all things Wests, you tell me what else they could or should have done.

You'll get used to going around in circles like this. Fortunately the majority on here understand what you are saying. It's the 1% who continue to stick their heads in the sand while the rest of the world continues to move forward.

 

[Guest]

Im as staunch a Magpie as they come, but even i have a chuckle when this constitution business is brought up

In my experience, people only bring up matters of a constitution to hinder progress… I've never seen any partners raise the subject of constitution while a company is in growth and paying dividends.

While the structure is somewhat different in relation to the Wests Tigers, I would sense the current growth is very positive, and the proposed expansion of WT's role in the Macarthur region will only provide further growth in the WT brand, providing greater dividends in the future to the people of Macarthur & owners of the Wests Tigers!

No surprise to see Lawrence and Ellis out at Campbelltown today doing their bit to promote Wests Tigers in the Macarthur region.

 

[innsaneink]

Did you hear the journo on the 10 news sports segment willow?
"Lawrence and Ellis, two Tigers in the heart of Magpies territory"…or something like that.

I hope the special - cambo only- 2-4-1 ticket offer went well....need a big crowd saturday

 

[Guest]

Did you hear the journo on the 10 news sports segment willow?
"Lawrence and Ellis, two Tigers in the heart of Magpies territory"…or something like that.

I hope the special - cambo only- 2-4-1 ticket offer went well....need a big crowd saturday

I saw them on TV, but didn't have the volume up as the little fella was napping. As long as the rain stays away, hopefully there will be good turnout given it's a local derby.

 

[galahs]

Why would the Magpies refuse the junior leagues application to affiliate with them when that is what they have been chasing for years?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Why would the Magpies refuse the junior leagues application to affiliate with them when that is what they have been chasing for years?

Why would the US go to all the trouble of staging the man on the moon?

 

[Guest]

Why would the Magpies refuse the junior leagues application to affiliate with them when that is what they have been chasing for years?

Here's a thought…Why don't you ask them?

 

[Boydoo]

Why would the Magpies refuse the junior leagues application to affiliate with them when that is what they have been chasing for years?

How the hell would i know you tell us all you no all the right people just dame well ask em
You have been stating as a FACT that the juniors refused to have anything to do with the magpies
I have proof that they did try and were treted like s@@t
Then you carryon like you dont understand you duck and weeve like benji
Why dont you prove yourself wright - or just maybe it was all lies so you could get your raaly up and then it was just a matter of continuing the bull
I understand your passion for the magpies and i still have a jim beam ball bottle with the magpie on it so i no where your comming from
all i ask is to tell the bloody truth

 

[batboy]

FINALLY!!
…. Someone who cares enough to argue these "So Called" Facts that continually get spouted around like 14th century Poetry.

 

[Goose]

Did you hear the journo on the 10 news sports segment willow?
"Lawrence and Ellis, two Tigers in the heart of Magpies territory"…or something like that.

I hope the special - cambo only- 2-4-1 ticket offer went well....need a big crowd saturday

I hope they get a big crowd so we dont have to endure a 15 page thread with a group of people saying Campbelltown dont deserve games and another group saying they did not attend because WT dont do enough in the area…..

 

[batboy]

I concur….

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Wests Tigers supporters as a whole are responsible for getting to C-town games, not just C-town people

 

[galahs]

Why would the Magpies refuse the junior leagues application to affiliate with them when that is what they have been chasing for years?

Here's a thought…Why don't you ask them?

Mate don't worry I will.

But I would like to hear the other side of the story.
Why would the Magpies refuse it. Must have come with conditions otherwise there is no reason for them to refuse the affiliation.

I would like to get to the bottom of these issues, otherwise we will never move forward.
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Can you send me a copy of the pages?

 

[batboy]

Wests Tigers supporters as a whole are responsible for getting to C-town games, not just C-town people

YEP!!
Wests Tigers supporters are responsible (In Part) for the success of the club as a whole….
Memberships, Getting to games.... We can all do our part.

 

[galahs]

Until yesterday, I have never heard the claims that Wests Magpies refused the Junior Leagues affiliation.

I have a deep interest in this because I do believe this whole issue is the root of so many of the problems out in Sydney's South West.

These are the letters I have from Geoff Carr NSWRL CEO

**As you may be aware the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League became an Incorporated Body in the late 1980s and severed their ties with the Western Suburbs District Rugby League. Despite numerous attempts to reconcile the two bodies this has not happened hence the NSWRL Board’s decision to have the Western Suburbs Juniors affiliation through the Wests Tigers. The fact that the Wests Tigers do not have a team in the NSW Rugby League competition is irrelevant as they are an affiliated body.**
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You must appreciate that metropolitan competitions are run by the NSW Rugby League and the Group 6 competition is a competition of the Country Rugby League which the NSW Rugby League has no jurisdiction over. Hence the different treatment of the Campbelltown clubs when they elect to play in Group 6 rather than competitions conducted by the NSW Rugby League.
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All stakeholders will get an opportunity to talk to Brian Canavan about the future competitions in Macarthur and at the end of the day Brian will make a recommendation to the NSW Rugby League which will be in the best interest of the competitions in the area rather than individuals or individual clubs.
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Regards
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Geoff Carr
General Manager
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**Because of the fractioned relationship between Western Suburbs District Rugby League and Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League, there has been no affiliation with NSW Rugby League until recently. This was not ideal but we needed competitions to be run in the Western Suburbs and we took that as the priority.\
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Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League were granted conditional affiliation with the NSWRL in 2009\. They were granted this on the basis there would be meaningful negotiations between the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League and the Western Suburbs District Rugby League in the traditional manner. These talks did not eventuate or reach a conclusion so as a result the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League were affiliated with Wests Tigers by a Board minute of the NSWRL on the 8th March, 2011.**
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If the three Campbelltown clubs wish to play and train in Campbelltown they need to enter into meaningful negotiations with the NSWRL about either of the three options which they previously dismissed, ie assist us to re-establish the combined competitions with Group 6, participate in a competition such as the Sydney Shield which is up and running in season 2012 or participate in the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League A Grade competition.
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If you are as passionate about Western Suburbs RL as you say you are it seems strange that you are attempting to destroy your own A Grade competition by participating outside your district.
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I notice a lot of these facts which I have passed on to you were conveniently overlooked with your interview on 2UE. This continual misinformation about the facts is not helping to resolve the situation.
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You have also misunderstood Brian Canavan’s role in the process. Brian’s role is to talk and listen to the stakeholder groups in the South Western corridor to determine the best model for senior rugby league in the South Western corridor. Brian has had considerable success with similar projects in the last year and the idea is to include input from all stakeholders to determine what is the best way forward.
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You will get plenty of opportunity to state your case to Brian but in the meantime you need to consider all the options for participation that will allow you to play and train in Campbelltown. You need to be reminded it was the three clubs’ decision to go to Group 6 knowing they would have to commit fully to Group 6\. This was their decision and their decision alone.
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Regards
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GEofff
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The three Campbelltown clubs when given the options last year had no intention of exploring them because they wanted to play in Group 6 regardless of the implications for Western Suburbs A Grade or the NSW Rugby League. They didn’t want to discuss or consider options and it was always was their intention to do whatever they could to play in Group 6\. As a result of this they accepted and were granted the rights for 12 months only to be a Group 6 club which required them to play and train in Group 6.
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It would be nice if they could consider the other options and stop predetermining how strong alternative competitions are. I’ve spent more time on the three Western Suburbs A grade clubs in the last two years than any other project. The way they have used the internet to try and destroy the Western Suburbs A Grade and the Western Suburbs Junior League is a disgrace and the Board of the NSW Rugby League have not been impressed. The misinformation that has been put out by the Clubs which has clouded the debate has also not been helpful.
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In answer to your questions:
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**1 I cannot speak for the NSW Rugby League administration in the late 80s but I can imagine they had an appreciation that the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League was a not for profit company which had a democratically elected Board which represented the teams in the Western Suburbs competition. Because they were organized to run rugby league in Western Suburbs and the alternative may have been a break down in those competitions, they obviously allowed them to proceed.\
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2 Again I can’t speak for previous administrations but we do not issue licenses to run junior rugby league. It id done by incorporated bodies with democratic elections and Wests Juniors qualified in this regard.\
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3 Because the relationship between Western Suburbs Juniors and Western Suburbs DRLF was disfunctional and as much as we tried to fix it, it was beyond saving. The affiliation with Wests Tigers was our only option and correspondence from the District Club at the time clearly showed they had knowledge of the affiliation.**
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4 The Board of the NSW Rugby League has affiliated many organizations that are not districts and have been able to do so under their rules. Such organizations as Schoolboys, Wheelchair Rugby League, Disabled Rugby League, Women’s Rugby League, etc are all affiliated. These are bodies involved in the conduct of Rugby League in NSW and Wests Tigers is no different. They are not a member club and do not have any representation on the General Committee. They are an affiliated rugby league organization in the same way that other bodies are that I have mentioned.
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5 Wests Tigers are not participating in the NSW Cup in 2012.
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6 The NSW Rugby League and the CRL offered to have an administrator step in to run senior football in the Macarthur area. Under the control of the Leagues any issues would have been cleaned up. The significant exaggeration of the issues by the three clubs has again been misleading. Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League are interested in discussing handing over the running of over 18 competitions in their district to such an independent administrator. Again, the three clubs have made up their mind about what they want to do and it is the view of the NSW Rugby League Board playing in another League in another District is not in the best interests of the Western Suburbs District.
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As previously mentioned the NSW Rugby League have employed Brian Canavan to go out and work through all the issues with all the stakeholders. It would be nice if people in the Western Suburbs could co-operate with the process and have an open mind to what any final recommendation may be. You will certainly be included in all discussions and hopefully these issues can be resolved in the best interests of Rugby League in the Western Suburbs.
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Yours faithfully
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Geoff Carr
General Manager
NSWRL

 

[jctiger]

Wests Tigers supporters as a whole are responsible for getting to C-town games, not just C-town people

YEP!!
Wests Tigers supporters are responsible (In Part) for the success of the club as a whole….
Memberships, Getting to games.... We can all do our part.

Drove past CSS yesterday and there was no signs or promotion of the game what so ever,
Unless your a Wests tigers fan that visits their website regularly you would not know there was a game on this weekend.
Will never attract new fans or larger crowds if only the regular keen Tigers fans know about the game.

Poor effort IMO.

 

[galahs]

I just don't understand that. They're only hurting themselves by not promoting it.

What they need is to hire a billboard on the M5 near the Campbelltown exit and have year round coverage. A perfect place to promote the next home game.

 

[system]

I may be wrong but I think in the past WT have found the best way to get word out is local press and through C91.3.

Now that the widening of the M5 is finished past Campbelltown Rd Exit a permanent Billboard may be a good idea. In terms of cost though it is highly prohibitive to change them for every game. Though if the ARLC give us a full draw at seasons start you can do it once a year and have all home game days on display

 

[Guest]

Any advertising on Campbelltown local radio?