Wests Tigers have an identity crisis

@Chris said:
Galahs, are you a Wests Tigers fan?
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What makes you ask that question? It is pretty evident Galahs supports Wests Tigers, but at the same time supports rugby league in the Macarthur area.

In saying that, I do have a question for Galahs in relation to his response to Woodward. I noted the following paragraphs:

The reality is the Wests Junior League refused to be affiliated to the Westsern Suburbs Magpies district club. The NSWRL allowed this to happen and I believe this alone is the number one cause for all the issues in the area. The NSWRL should have dismissed their board, put in an administrator. You cannot have a body running the game that isn't accountable to anybody.
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The 2nd major issue is that Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown has voted with Balmain at the Wests Tigers Board Room to fullfill Tim Sheens wish of having all Wests Tigers contracted players moved to Concord. This has resulted in Magpie juniors having to play for Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers if they ever dare dream of playing for the Wests Tigers in the NRL. This first happened under the radar after we were all wrapped up in the Wests Tigers 2005 premiership win.

The second issue then dominates the rest of the substantial reply. If Western Suburbs Magpies District Club and the Wests Junior League not being affiliated is the number one cause for all issues, shouldn't we be solving that issue? If we address the accountability, won't all the other issues highlighted be easier to solve?
 
@galahs said:
@Gary Bakerloo said:
3\. A thread was placed on this forum and subsequently removed of an article in the Macarthur Advertiser. Perhaps Humpty should write to the Campbelltown papers and explain the situation and how Wests Tigers plans to improve rugby league in the area.

Why was that article removed?
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Because people fail to stick to the topic at hand and throw personal insults at one another, which is where that thread was heading. Given the constant requests for people to stay on topic, which frequently go unheeded, the thread was deleted.
 
Pretty sure that there are still plenty of Wests supporters who want nothing to do with Balmain and would find something to complain about even if everything was rosy.
There seems to be a smug satisfaction that Balmain is struggling for money - you can almost sense them circling , waiting for the time they can replace the Tiger emblem with that of their beloved Magpie.
In all honesty many would still prefer the two clubs could stand alone again but , if that were the case , I wonder how many of the current generation of WestsTigers supporters would flock (pun intended) to support the Western Suburbs Magpies in favour of the Balmain Tigers.
My preference is to have two NSW cup teams so that both clubs histories live on in some form of senior football.
That may , however , no longer be viable.
I am no expert in what's going on but it seems at the moment Wests seem to have money but no common direction - being pulled this way and that by infighting factions.
Maybe if they got their own house in order then other things might just start to fall in place for them.
 
@Chris said:
Galahs, are you a Wests Tigers fan?
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I also ask the same question. Galahs seems to be a purely an old wests magpie not wanting to embrace the W Tigers agenda.what is happening in the Macarther now goes back to an inefficient Magpie board before the merger.I look forward reading Galahs posts , but at times I find them divisive to the WT merger success .If people are unhappy supporting WT, the simply thing to do , is move on and support anther team that suits their particular needs.
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It is an interesting revisionist history of Mr Hammonds tenure. The single most divisive presence in the JV history in my opinion, always trying to whiteant the JV.

I find it funny how you were so willing to buy into the first article by the author as gospel yet now believe he must have fallen under some kind of spell of the Wests Tigers CEO.

I also can't help but notice Galahs that all of your rhetoric is based around a "us" and "them" philosophy. This has always been the case for as far back as any of your forum accounts stretch on this and the previous forums. Why is that? Why have you always made refference to the two bodies in that way? I think it honestly says more about your perspective, a perspective you have clearly held for a very long time, about the Wests Tigers.

I am sure I could go back and find replys to all the issues you have glued together in that reply and I am sure I could write a long winded point by point reply but really all that will do is begin the cycle again. You raise a point, start a few side arguments attacking officials of the club, post one long winded reply and when that reply gets addressed and debated you dissapear only to spout the same discredited information, only re-jigged in another thread some time later.

Gary is actually correct in that the biggest issue facing the Macarthur can be traced back to the many bodies with competing interests. Wests Tigers are at least being proactive in this area. In fact their entry throws a new force with no tradition of petty squabbles and rivalries into the breach to try and unite league in the Macarthur behind a common cause.

Every piece of the puzzle further proves to me that you don't want what is best for the macarthur. You want what is best for the Macarthur as long as it is headed by tha Magpies.

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@smeghead said:
Gary is actually correct in that the biggest issue facing the Macarthur can be traced back to the many bodies with competing interests. Wests Tigers are at least being proactive in this area. In fact their entry throws a new force with no tradition of petty squabbles and rivalries into the breach to try and unite league in the Macarthur behind a common cause.
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Hang on, I know nothing about these competing interests so don't give me any credit. I just noted from Galah's assessment that these competing interests are the number one cause of the problems in the area, yet it only made up about 5% of the article. There was no embellishment of this problem nor was a solution proposed.

Surmising from many of the posts, especially the quotes from Humphreys and Galahs assessment it seems we come down to two issues:

1\. Wests Tigers does want to develop the area, but needs/wants to control the development system. They currently do not have the authority to make such changes nor will the local jurisdictions accept relinquishing power.

2\. Macarthur area wants more NRL games and more recognition in the JV.

Neither will move until the other moves first….
 
@smeghead said:
It is an interesting revisionist history of Mr Hammonds tenure. The single most divisive presence in the JV history in my opinion, always trying to whiteant the JV.

I find it funny how you were so willing to buy into the first article by the author as gospel yet now believe he must have fallen under some kind of spell of the Wests Tigers CEO.

I also can't help but notice Galahs that all of your rhetoric is based around a "us" and "them" philosophy. This has always been the case for as far back as any of your forum accounts stretch on this and the previous forums. Why is that? Why have you always made refference to the two bodies in that way? I think it honestly says more about your perspective, a perspective you have clearly held for a very long time, about the Wests Tigers.

I am sure I could go back and find replys to all the issues you have glued together in that reply and I am sure I could write a long winded point by point reply but really all that will do is begin the cycle again. You raise a point, start a few side arguments attacking officials of the club, post one long winded reply and when that reply gets addressed and debated you dissapear only to spout the same discredited information, only re-jigged in another thread some time later.

Gary is actually correct in that the biggest issue facing the Macarthur can be traced back to the many bodies with competing interests. Wests Tigers are at least being proactive in this area. In fact their entry throws a new force with no tradition of petty squabbles and rivalries into the breach to try and unite league in the Macarthur behind a common cause.

Every piece of the puzzle further proves to me that you don't want what is best for the macarthur. You want what is best for the Macarthur as long as it is headed by tha Magpies.

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Well said as always Smeg, logical, and most importantly, truthful.
 
@smeghead said:
It is an interesting revisionist history of Mr Hammonds tenure. The single most divisive presence in the JV history in my opinion, always trying to whiteant the JV.

I find it funny how you were so willing to buy into the first article by the author as gospel yet now believe he must have fallen under some kind of spell of the Wests Tigers CEO.

I also can't help but notice Galahs that all of your rhetoric is based around a "us" and "them" philosophy. This has always been the case for as far back as any of your forum accounts stretch on this and the previous forums. Why is that? Why have you always made refference to the two bodies in that way? I think it honestly says more about your perspective, a perspective you have clearly held for a very long time, about the Wests Tigers.

I am sure I could go back and find replys to all the issues you have glued together in that reply and I am sure I could write a long winded point by point reply but really all that will do is begin the cycle again. You raise a point, start a few side arguments attacking officials of the club, post one long winded reply and when that reply gets addressed and debated you dissapear only to spout the same discredited information, only re-jigged in another thread some time later.

Gary is actually correct in that the biggest issue facing the Macarthur can be traced back to the many bodies with competing interests. Wests Tigers are at least being proactive in this area. In fact their entry throws a new force with no tradition of petty squabbles and rivalries into the breach to try and unite league in the Macarthur behind a common cause.

Every piece of the puzzle further proves to me that you don't want what is best for the macarthur. You want what is best for the Macarthur as long as it is headed by tha Magpies.

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I know that nerd Alien was talking about taking all of his WT gear and burning it outside camp concord and was talking about getting channel 9 to film it :laughing:
 
I could quote Smegs post…
But it takes up so much room :wink:
But I will add a subtle <big>**BOOM**</big>
I too have grown tired of the same old rants claiming shenanigans, This, That and the other...
I also have asked for clarification or Justification on some points... Only to have no reply?
Then to come across the same garble a couple weeks later.
This small fraction of supporters are nothing more than disgruntled Magpie fans who refuse to accept progress,
And blame everyone and everything else outside the real issues of the district.
From my knowledge the Wests Group is made up of Campbelltown, Ashfield and the Football club...
Juniors being seperate??
I find it irritationg that this faction claims Wests Tigers doesn't know what's best for the area... When it is obvious that they or not even the beloved Magpies know what is best for the area.
They have already failed in the Area once, And currently don't see eye to eye at board level within thier own organisation. How can they tell an organisation as big as the Wests Tigers, Who is kicking goals on all fronts over the last few years how to progress??
They haven't progressed in for god knows how long!!
 
Though his opinion and my own vary on a lot of matters. I don't know why some of you are attacking galahs. He has posted actual facts that have been discussed in the past and provided his own opinion.

So because his (and others) opinion isn't shared by the majority on this forum it's ok to criticise him (and others)?
 
I draw exception to the inferrences thrown in with the facts and the leaps of logic that try to make connections that simply do not exist and that despite this issue being raised in the past and asking for clarification etc he ignores all.

I have been more than willing to enter into informed and factual discussions with Galahs in the past, something he seems to not want to engage in.

I would be doing exactly this, in the manner I am doing it if my opinion were in the minority to be honest and I think you know that Staks
 
I have no problem with Galahs expressing his opinion Staks, Or anyone else for that matter…
I do however, Have a problem with the often slanderous, Anti WT, Deep seeded Balmain Hatred and conspiracy theory riddled way in which he does it. And when called on the basis of his arguements or opinions, There are no facts, Common sense or reasonable objectivity presented.... Just another spin on the same old arguement, And another upteenth dig at WT's about an Ice Machine...
 
@smeghead said:
In a final piece of business that I would like an answer to. Why did you make threats about blowing up a BRET officials car when at Campbelltown Stadium? Are you really that much of a low rent scumbag?
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Hahaha. now you're getting desperate.

You've resorted to blatant lies now mate to try and win your argument.

I have never threatened anybody with physical violence. Nicve sneaky personal attack though. I like how its fine for people from your side of the fence to do so on this forum.
 
@Chris said:
Galahs, are you a Wests Tigers fan?
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Yes. I will be at the game on Saturday night.

I support the team, but it doesn't mean I can't have a differing opinion to the management.
 
@batboy said:
I have no problem with Galahs expressing his opinion Staks, Or anyone else for that matter…
I do however, Have a problem with the often slanderous, Anti WT, Deep seeded Balmain Hatred and conspiracy theory riddled way in which he does it. And when called on the basis of his arguements or opinions, There are no facts, Common sense or reasonable objectivity presented.... Just another spin on the same old arguement, And another upteenth dig at WT's about an Ice Machine...
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Mate i'm not condoning what Galahs is saying but it goes both ways. There are just as many ex-Balmain fans who refuze to acknowlegde the Magpies ties. I'm guessing you didn't see Redemptions long giant hate filled rant against the Magpies on another thread no more then a week ago
 
Lets break down my post…

Mr Humphreys has put a nice spin on the actual situation.... mess he's helped create.

MY OPINION
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The reality is the Wests Junior League refused to be affiliated to the Westsern Suburbs Magpies district club. The NSWRL allowed this to happen and I believe this alone is the number one cause for all the issues in the area. The NSWRL should have dismissed their board, put in an administrator. You cannot have a body running the game that isn't accountable to anybody.

FACT. This all happened when the Wests Magpies Seniors tried to roll the Juniors in under their umbrella. Guess who was heading the Magpies at the time. Warren McDonnell. The Wests juniors don't want anyone telling them what to do. That includes the NSWRL, Western Suburbs Magpies or the Wests Tigers. FACT FACT FACT!

The 2nd major issue is that Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown has voted with Balmain at the Wests Tigers Board Room to fullfill Tim Sheens wish of having all Wests Tigers contracted players moved to Concord. This has resulted in Magpie juniors having to play for Balmain Ryde Eastwood Tigers if they ever dare dream of playing for the Wests Tigers in the NRL. This first happened under the radar after we were all wrapped up in the Wests Tigers 2005 premiership win.

FACT
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This policy has all but crushed the Magpies NSW Cup team, and the local area.

FACT FACT FACT

Ex Magpies Chairman Kevin Hammond opposed this decision and in 2008 threatened to become Canberra Raiders NSW Cup feeder team. This was shouted down by the Wests Tigers as being against the spirit of the joint venture,

FACT

but when has it been in the spirit of this supposed 50:50 joint venture that Balmain gets all the Wests Tigers contracted players whilst Wests Magpies gets none???

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Under duress from Mr Hammonds threat, the Magpies got their players back in 2008, 2009 and 2010 and in each of these years under coach Leo Epifania, the team made the semi finals and each year was 1 game away from reaching the grand final.

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The Magpies junior reps and development squads also flourished, kids were proud to be playing for a team with 100+ years of history. A team that truly represented their area.

OPEN TO OPINION BASED FACT
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Kevin's strong stance had now made some strong enemies and the knives were out. Members of the Wests Tigers, Magpies and Ashfield board basically stabbed him in the back making it impossible for him to continue. Kevin resigned, holding back tears at the Magpies AGM.

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Without a strong leader, Wests Tigers were again to go on their merry way.

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The Magpies NSW Cup side again lost all players to Balmain, and this time Wests Tigers took over running the Magpies Junior Reps.

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Wests Tigers thought they had finally killed off the Magpies, but thanks to the diehard support of the Magpies members who organised a protest rally in the streets of Campbelltown, the Magpies again took to the field in the 2012 NSW Cup.

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Wests Ashfield who was now swaying towards the Wests Tigers demands, were on again off again with the Magpies funding. This indesiciveness meant they were unable to sign a team up until late January. Way too late to get quality players, and way too late to have a decent off season.

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Wests Tigers were furious, and went out of their way to make sure the Magpies wouldn't be successful, so they removed all support and even went as far as relieving the Wests Magpies of their training gear, ice machine and freezer.

FACT. They even opposed the Magpies having Group 6 members on their Board.
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Does this sound like the Wests Tigers are really concerned about the district they claim to care about?

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We now have local Macarthur players who are at school, university or in low paying jobs from Campbelltown having to travel all the way to Concord to fill the Balmain ranks, when they used to be able to have quality local opportunities pulling on the Magpies jerseys.

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Now we find out Balmain Leagues club is broke. It makes me wonder is the real reason behind this push to ensure the Magpies are dead and buried before Balmain falls on its own sword. They couldn't dare have the Magpies survive when they can't.

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We have asked time and time again. If the Wests Tigers want a single NSW Cup side, and they claim the area is so important... then why can't the Western Suburbs Magpies be the Wests Tigers NSW Cup feeder team?

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Balmain are broke,

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...the Magpies team can focus on looking after the South West Sydney area from Under 16's to Reserve grade whilst bringing these players up under a coaching management and structure provided by the Wests Tigers.
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No no no. Not acceptable! Is the reply from Camp Concord. I ask.... why?
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Instead the area is meant to be happy about far off plans about some pretend centre of excellence that will be built somewhere, sometime in the future.
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What! They want us to abandon the area completely until they can get their act together to try and do something out there?
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They can't even give us more than 4 NRL games a year, can we trust them that these promised centres of excellence, and moving the under 20's to Campbelltown will come true?

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Where's the business plans, where's the time lines, where's the budget. Its all pie in the sky stuff.

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Until what the Wests Tigers provide, not propose... is better than what the Wests Magpies are providing the area.... I can't support their proposal of one NSW Cup team to be based at Concord and as a member of the Magpies football club, I will be voting against it and strongly urging other members to do the same.

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I can accept galahs being pro-Magpies and pro-Campbelltown, but my question is are you specifically anti-Balmain and anti-Joint Venture galahs?

if not, then why not further your cause without resorting to attacking the perceived other side?

why not look at the dysfunction and infighting that exists and has existed in your own backyard for decades? problems that were inherited by WT.

the fact that Wests juniors wanted no affiliation with the Magpies group indicates the problem is with the Magpies in the south-west region, and not WT.

you keep referring to 4 games at CS, while ignoring that there are only an equal number of games at Leichhardt.

it appears you want special treatment, rather than the equal treatment you allude to, while taking no responsibility for the magpies getting their own shop in order.
 
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