Wests Tigers Should just become Wests

[tigermaniac]

I agree , let the magpies back in…. Just so I can watch them die !!! You magpies aren't very bright are you ? There's more to having a football club them having money. Amongst other things You need fans , sponsors and attract viewers for TV, and seeing as though nobody likes you , the magpie is already dead !

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You sound like an old disgruntled brothel worker, good while it lasted, but fXXXXd the whole time.

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[NT_Tiger]

Wow…what a surprise this has ended up like this..... :bash

WESTS Tigers ..that is all... :sign:

Ridiculous. I'm a Wests Tigers supporter full stop. I constantly wonder; why all the problems at the top of this organisation? How naive am I? Look no further.

 

[cktiger]

Okay, how would the Balmain people here like it if this was next season's WT jumper but with a one inch tiger on the sleeve -


Errrr… just for the record that's a WestsTigers logo on the sleeve- not a BalmainTigers logo.
(see how easy it is to muck it up)

 

[NT_Tiger]

It's like a pack of hyaenas squabbling over long dried out bones while fresh living game walks past.

 

[Tigerdave]

Some people, clearly, aren't prepared to move forward

 

[tigermaniac]

Ever since we merged, I have drifted in and out of the, we are WT, I am a Magpie, only because both are dear to my heart, I don't need to see the Wests Magpies make a comeback to the NRL. I can see in the future more of a Magpie influence , but that's only natural considering Wests are cashed up. Balmain have had a rub of the green with the running of the WT, but at the same time they were the dominant partner without money. Yes I saw more Balmain in our JV than I saw Magpies, but really was it that bad or was I just asking for to much. Any new changes will have the same reaction. Overall I can't see the Magpies making a solo return to the NRL. All I can say to the old Balmain fossils that continuously bag and disrespect the Magpie fossils, did the Magpies offer to repay your debt and why did you decline, we are in this together aren't we. You chose the NRL to help you knowing to well you can't find the money to repay the debt. How did the Balmain brains think this would end up. Some of you old fossils should have a look at what your club has done to you, not what the other side is now capable of doing. Don't death ride or blame others, it doesn't help. Look at your own situation and accept what it is. Support the Wests Tigers because that's what we have. If the Magpies have money to support us and make us stronger you'll have to accept it or leave. There will be more influence because of the backing, but ultimately they'll be backing the WT.

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[NT_Tiger]

My biggest worry is that this cancer is malignant and will lead to the death of the host. It seems solidarity is required throughout Wests Tigers and simply cannot happen. The West Coast option may not be that far away.

 

[Telltails]

More fans for the joint venture than against it. This topic would not be relevant if we were winning. Best thing objective people can do at the moment is not react. Still think the most important issue is employing the right coach

 

[Abraham]

I'd rather a smart dinosaur than a dumb millenian any day of the week.

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Ok you're going to have to give me a hand with this one… what the hell is a millenian?

Google says something about aliens.

 

[Abraham]

OK let's get something straight here in order to understand why MG would even say Bring back the Magpies.

Wests Tigers is a Joint Venture **NOT** a merger. People keep throwing it up as Western Suburbs and Balmain joined the two clubs together. This did not happen as **BOTH** clubs were struggling financially a JV was needed to stay alive. I don't care what you believe in who saved who as it's irrelevant, the bottom line is both needed to form a JV. Western Suburbs does continue to play in the junior grades (RMC). Balmain continues to play in HM and SG Ball. Next year, the Wests Tigers Board of Directors handed over all junior rep teams to Western Suburbs for 2015 season as Wests Ashfield continue to pay for the Balmain Junior rep sides and will end after this season. Balmain in case you haven't noticed is in a financial mess. If the two clubs did merge why would this happen? They are both still separate clubs but became partners as in Business partners in a JV which is Wests Tigers. Balmain have not contributed to the JV for quite some time now it has solely been Western Suburbs digging into their pockets. In the 15 years of the JV Western Suburbs have been able to recover financially while Balmain went further and further into debt.

As it's solely one club paying for a 50% share of the business it's common sense for them to just buy out the remaining 50% shares and become sole custody holder of Wests Tigers. Balmain Football Club will be finish come the time they go to court with the Rozelle developer looking for his money back. Balmain will cease to exist as a football club and leave sole heir Western Suburbs with the joint venture. As a club wouldn't you rather see your club name and colours being shown? I know if I invested that kind of money and been in the "business" since 1908 I think I would want my club heritage, history and colours back.

Wests Tigers is not a club it's a team very big difference as some Balmain die hards are trying to hold onto their clubs heritage, history and colours they simply do not have the right to deny Western Suburbs their rights. Wests Tigers Is not Balmain nor is it Wests it's a separate entity to the two clubs. If WSDRLFC wish to sell the team, then it is up to them, if they wish to bring back their history and colours it's up to them and the NRL to agree upon. There won't be a new team in the comp just one team being renamed.

Western Suburbs have never left they have always played under their club and colours the entire time. Balmain has had a good run with the help of Wests Ashfield but how long do you need to carry someone before you see that they are dead weight and never to improve?

I agree fully with MG that Western Suburbs should be back in the NRL 1st grade and if you don't think so then how bout we go 50/50 on a business together and I won't pay you a damn cent but I'll take my 50% of the profits without putting the money back in to the business. Seems fair you expect Western Suburbs to do so…...

Only problem is that the Magpies WON'T be brought back.

Wests Ashfield have been clear that in the event of Balmain's demise, Wests Tigers will a) continue to play at Leichhardt, b) Continue to be called the Tigers, and b) keep the same colours.

You see, they aren't stupid enough to sink 15 years worth of investment, marketing, goodwill, and brand recognition to bring back a team that will alienate 3/4 of the current supporter and corporate base.

The NRL has also confirmed that the NRL license belongs to the Wests Tigers, and not to the owners of the Wests Tigers (be is Balmain/Wests, or Wests alone).

Hope that clears everything up for you, and everyone else who is living in fantasy land about a return of the Magpies.

 

[tigermaniac]

OK let's get something straight here in order to understand why MG would even say Bring back the Magpies.

Wests Tigers is a Joint Venture **NOT** a merger. People keep throwing it up as Western Suburbs and Balmain joined the two clubs together. This did not happen as **BOTH** clubs were struggling financially a JV was needed to stay alive. I don't care what you believe in who saved who as it's irrelevant, the bottom line is both needed to form a JV. Western Suburbs does continue to play in the junior grades (RMC). Balmain continues to play in HM and SG Ball. Next year, the Wests Tigers Board of Directors handed over all junior rep teams to Western Suburbs for 2015 season as Wests Ashfield continue to pay for the Balmain Junior rep sides and will end after this season. Balmain in case you haven't noticed is in a financial mess. If the two clubs did merge why would this happen? They are both still separate clubs but became partners as in Business partners in a JV which is Wests Tigers. Balmain have not contributed to the JV for quite some time now it has solely been Western Suburbs digging into their pockets. In the 15 years of the JV Western Suburbs have been able to recover financially while Balmain went further and further into debt.

As it's solely one club paying for a 50% share of the business it's common sense for them to just buy out the remaining 50% shares and become sole custody holder of Wests Tigers. Balmain Football Club will be finish come the time they go to court with the Rozelle developer looking for his money back. Balmain will cease to exist as a football club and leave sole heir Western Suburbs with the joint venture. As a club wouldn't you rather see your club name and colours being shown? I know if I invested that kind of money and been in the "business" since 1908 I think I would want my club heritage, history and colours back.

Wests Tigers is not a club it's a team very big difference as some Balmain die hards are trying to hold onto their clubs heritage, history and colours they simply do not have the right to deny Western Suburbs their rights. Wests Tigers Is not Balmain nor is it Wests it's a separate entity to the two clubs. If WSDRLFC wish to sell the team, then it is up to them, if they wish to bring back their history and colours it's up to them and the NRL to agree upon. There won't be a new team in the comp just one team being renamed.

Western Suburbs have never left they have always played under their club and colours the entire time. Balmain has had a good run with the help of Wests Ashfield but how long do you need to carry someone before you see that they are dead weight and never to improve?

I agree fully with MG that Western Suburbs should be back in the NRL 1st grade and if you don't think so then how bout we go 50/50 on a business together and I won't pay you a damn cent but I'll take my 50% of the profits without putting the money back in to the business. Seems fair you expect Western Suburbs to do so…...

Only problem is that the Magpies WON'T be brought back.

Wests Ashfield have been clear that in the event of Balmain's demise, Wests Tigers will a) continue to play at Leichhardt, b) Continue to be called the Tigers, and b) keep the same colours.

You see, they aren't stupid enough to sink 15 years worth of investment, marketing, goodwill, and brand recognition to bring back a team that will alienate 3/4 of the current supporter and corporate base.

The NRL has also confirmed that the NRL license belongs to the Wests Tigers, and not to the owners of the Wests Tigers (be is Balmain/Wests, or Wests alone).

Hope that clears everything up for you, and everyone else who is living in fantasy land about a return of the Magpies.

Abraham first of all I support the WT, and I don't want a return of the Magpies, but stop making up porkies about the NRL confirming ownership, please tell me when I must of missed it, what I can tell you is the precedent was set with the Northern Eagles reverting back to Manly, anything is possible. You did start off well and I agree with all the first things you said and definitely they won't throw 15 years away, but at the same time a return is a possibility if they stupidly decided to go it alone. I hope this clears things up .

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[tigerbalm]

15 years of what?

As mentioned in another thread would anyone really class the JV as a success? I know I know 05…but the reality is wests generally are on mad Monday with the rest of the non finals teams. We are genuinely looked at as a basket case by other supporters so I'm just not sure what they would actually be throwing away??? Look at our membership, it's not like the tiger is this amazing emblem that attracts kids...the bunnies must have 30k and their emblem is a rabbit for gods sake.
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The tiger being this amazing marketing tool is a myth spit out by ex-balmain fans. No one else.

Winning is a marketing tool. Our emblem can be a turtle having a sleep and if we are winning games, not fighting in the office, not backstabbing coaches, not doing touchy touchy interviews and you know, playing footy we will be successful. Who ever owns the club.

I'm really over the whole saga. I'm almost at a point where I'd be happy for the club to pack up and move west under another name and owners, the longer it stays stuck in all this shit the longer it will be a joke club.

Let balmain die and be done with. If the wests side want to keep the failed experiment going good luck but 15 years has shown it won't work but I guess that pokie money has to be spent somewhere.

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[Geo]

And Round and round it goes…good grief... :unamused:

 

[azsportza]

Winning is a marketing tool. Our emblem can be a turtle having a sleep and if we are winning games, not fighting in the office, not backstabbing coaches, not doing touchy touchy interviews and you know, playing footy we will be successful. Who ever owns the club.
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Couldn't help myself


 

[Abraham]

Abraham first of all I support the WT, and I don't want a return of the Magpies, but stop making up porkies about the NRL confirming ownership, please tell me when I must of missed it, what I can tell you is the precedent was set with the Northern Eagles reverting back to Manly, anything is possible. You did start off well and I agree with all the first things you said and definitely they won't throw 15 years away, but at the same time a return is a possibility if they stupidly decided to go it alone. I hope this clears things up .

Porkies? Shove these porkies up ya clacker:

_Cook (Simon Cook, Wests Ashfield CEO) said Balmain's woes would not affect the future of the Wests Tigers.\
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"Balmain, or Wests [Ashfield] for that matter, are not contracted to the NRL - Wests Tigers are," Cook said. "What Balmain do has no impact on the NRL licence.\
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"**The NRL licence is between the NRL and the Wests Tigers and not the shareholders**. The shareholders are not connected to the licence. From Wests Ashfield perspective it will have no impact on the Wests Tigers."_
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-ashfield-ceo-simon-cook-says-tigers-name-wont-be-replaced-by-magpies-20140319-hvkfo.html#ixzz3AFQr6llN

 

[system]

:laughing: :laughing: Well that was quality

 

[Abraham]

15 years of what?

As mentioned in another thread would anyone really class the JV as a success? I know I know 05…but the reality is wests generally are on mad Monday with the rest of the non finals teams. We are genuinely looked at as a basket case by other supporters so I'm just not sure what they would actually be throwing away??? Look at our membership, it's not like the tiger is this amazing emblem that attracts kids...the bunnies must have 30k and their emblem is a rabbit for gods sake.
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The tiger being this amazing marketing tool is a myth spit out by ex-balmain fans. No one else.

Winning is a marketing tool. Our emblem can be a turtle having a sleep and if we are winning games, not fighting in the office, not backstabbing coaches, not doing touchy touchy interviews and you know, playing footy we will be successful. Who ever owns the club.

I'm really over the whole saga. I'm almost at a point where I'd be happy for the club to pack up and move west under another name and owners, the longer it stays stuck in all this s*** the longer it will be a joke club.

Let balmain die and be done with. If the wests side want to keep the failed experiment going good luck but 15 years has shown it won't work but I guess that pokie money has to be spent somewhere.

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I get the frustration, but despite the basket case we are on and off the field, we still have strong merchandise sales, rate through the roof on TV, have two of the strongest juniors bases in the league, and have above average crowd numbers.

Most clubs would kill for those attributes. Its just poor management that lets us down everywhere else.

The guys with the pony tails and turtle necks call it 'brand appeal', and that's what the 15 years has built, and that's what the NRL and Wests don't want to throw away regardless of what happens to Balmain.

 

[tigerbalm]

Winning is a marketing tool. Our emblem can be a turtle having a sleep and if we are winning games, not fighting in the office, not backstabbing coaches, not doing touchy touchy interviews and you know, playing footy we will be successful. Who ever owns the club.
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Couldn't help myself


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Ha!

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[tigermaniac]

Abraham first of all I support the WT, and I don't want a return of the Magpies, but stop making up porkies about the NRL confirming ownership, please tell me when I must of missed it, what I can tell you is the precedent was set with the Northern Eagles reverting back to Manly, anything is possible. You did start off well and I agree with all the first things you said and definitely they won't throw 15 years away, but at the same time a return is a possibility if they stupidly decided to go it alone. I hope this clears things up .

Porkies? Shove these porkies up ya clacker:

_Cook (Simon Cook, Wests Ashfield CEO) said Balmain's woes would not affect the future of the Wests Tigers.\
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"Balmain, or Wests [Ashfield] for that matter, are not contracted to the NRL - Wests Tigers are," Cook said. "What Balmain do has no impact on the NRL licence.\
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"**The NRL licence is between the NRL and the Wests Tigers and not the shareholders**. The shareholders are not connected to the licence. From Wests Ashfield perspective it will have no impact on the Wests Tigers."_
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-ashfield-ceo-simon-cook-says-tigers-name-wont-be-replaced-by-magpies-20140319-hvkfo.html#ixzz3AFQr6llN

The precedent was set with the Northern Eagles being allowed to fold and making way for Manly to return. The Wests CEO is confirming nothing will effect the Wests Group or Wests Tigers if Balmain fold. The NRL licence is between WT and NRL, yes like every other team, every year teams get a invite to play in the NRL. It's also stating the obvious that neither shareholder is connected to the WT licence as legally they'd be owners, but technically it's a marriage of Balmain and the Magpies. Should the NRL cease the JV, a massive legal challenge would follow. The case will heavily favour the shareholder, on what grounds are they omitted from taking part in the NRL as per the merger agreement. Like I said the precedent was set years ago. The final conclusion would be, the licence reverts to the Wests group if Balmain can't provide support as part of the original agreement, No partner can claim rights to WT name, colours or any association or rights owned by the WT.

I take back the porkies.

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[Abraham]

The precedent was set with the Northern Eagles being allowed to fold and making way for Manly to return. The Wests CEO is confirming nothing will effect the Wests Group or Wests Tigers if Balmain fold. The NRL licence is between WT and NRL, yes like every other team, every year teams get a invite to play in the NRL. It's also stating the obvious that neither shareholder is connected to the WT licence as legally they'd be owners, but technically it's a marriage of Balmain and the Magpies. Should the NRL cease the JV, a massive legal challenge would follow. The case will heavily favour the shareholder, on what grounds are they omitted from taking part in the NRL as per the merger agreement. Like I said the precedent was set years ago. The final conclusion would be, the licence reverts to the Wests group if Balmain can't provide support as part of the original agreement, No partner can claim rights to WT name, colours or any association or rights owned by the WT.

I take back the porkies.

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Northern Eagles were a completely different scenario.

The bears were already broke at the time the JV was put in place, so the license went to Manly from the very beginning.

Unlike our situation were the JV itself was appointed the license and continues to hold it.

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