Wests Tigers Team v Cowboys Rd 5

[TrueTiger]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..


Agree Madge is a better coach than prior and support him dropping Marshall.
Yes he is looking at the full roster which i supported in an earlier post.
It does show roster is light when Jennings comes back in he is 6ft 3 a full time professional player and can't catch a bomb????
Think Madge could also be smarter with his bench and have Benji on the bench coming in later and when fresh may not miss tackles.
Let's hope they perform like last week attitude wise and we will WIN.
Money also seems to be going tigers way firming into $1.80 favorites not sure if this is a good or bad thing....lol

Always worry when we are favourites. Cowboys have some new kids playing and for whatever reasons debutants always seem to carve up against us

Well believe he is playing at fullback Holmes i would have been more worried about, target him early, give him little room and his confidence will drop.
Think we might listen to the media hype surrounding debutants and not really worry about our game plan on someone new.
We could have Jennings running at him contesting bombs as he might let Jennings try and drop a few....lol

 

[Russell]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..

I'm not whinging and whining about making the finals TT - but I am about picking the best team available. You have to give yourself the best chance of making the finals. If you pick your best teams and you don't make - stiff.

Jennings - really?
Huth - good for 3 metres a run.
McIntyre - should have been cut ages a go.
Chee-Kam - would never be in my run on team.

Giving people a run - don't think so. You could play the whole season and may never have had to pick them.

Get what he is doing, good against the Raiders but trying out people for a contract or keep their fitness up is madness to my mind.

 

[Tcat]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..

100%. I want it now, but also understand our culture has been bad for long enough that it's not going to change in 2 seasons. I think us WTs supporters are happy enough if we see a hearted performance. It's just when we creep into our old ways, I struggle and get super frustrated. I still believe Madge is the guy to do it. Give him some time.

 

[JC99]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..


Agree Madge is a better coach than prior and support him dropping Marshall.
Yes he is looking at the full roster which i supported in an earlier post.
It does show roster is light when Jennings comes back in he is 6ft 3 a full time professional player and can't catch a bomb????
Think Madge could also be smarter with his bench and have Benji on the bench coming in later and when fresh may not miss tackles.
Let's hope they perform like last week attitude wise and we will WIN.
Money also seems to be going tigers way firming into $1.80 favorites not sure if this is a good or bad thing....lol

Always worry when we are favourites. Cowboys have some new kids playing and for whatever reasons debutants always seem to carve up against us


Well believe he is playing at fullback Holmes i would have been more worried about, target him early, give him little room and his confidence will drop.
Think we might listen to the media hype surrounding debutants and not really worry about our game plan on someone new.
We could have Jennings running at him contesting bombs as he might let Jennings try and drop a few....lol

Last week brooks and Reynolds completely shut down CNK with their kicking game. Quite often he was catching the ball right in front of the tryline with defenders right in his face. If we do that again and keep the same energy the young fella will drop a few

 

[JC99]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..

I'm not whinging and whining about making the finals TT - but I am about picking the best team available. You have to give yourself the best chance of making the finals. If you pick your best teams and you don't make - stiff.

Jennings - really?
Huth - good for 3 metres a run.
McIntyre - should have been cut ages a go.
Chee-Kam - would never be in my run on team.

Giving people a run - don't think so. You could play the whole season and may never have had to pick them.

Get what he is doing, good against the Raiders but trying out people for a contract or keep their fitness up is madness to my mind.

So who do you pick instead? Clark and Seyfarth were pretty average for us. Jennings is only in the team because of injury. Huth in because of a suspension. Would like Walters on the bench instead of McIntyre. You seem to think we have amazing bench forwards who are missing out, fact is we don’t and there aren’t better options really

 

[TrueTiger]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..

I'm not whinging and whining about making the finals TT - but I am about picking the best team available. You have to give yourself the best chance of making the finals. If you pick your best teams and you don't make - stiff.

Jennings - really?
Huth - good for 3 metres a run.
McIntyre - should have been cut ages a go.
Chee-Kam - would never be in my run on team.

Giving people a run - don't think so. You could play the whole season and may never have had to pick them.

Get what he is doing, good against the Raiders but trying out people for a contract or keep their fitness up is madness to my mind.

Quite right to have an opinion Russ and we will all differ in same,however if we had State Cup going this year we would have a much better idea than we have now on player fitness and performance..its an unprecedented year,as far as Jennings goes he would be out of my team,but Im not Madge and he may have very little to chose from and has to put him in..
The Raiders game showed me how much a kick in the butt some of these players needed,an improved performance from our younger and older players shows me they have been told to play to the standard or see ya later,its the culture shock they have needed and I hope Madge gives it to them every week solid for the rest of the year..

 

[JC99]

Im really enjoying watching Madge change the culture in this club....
Dropping players not performing to NRL standard,including our Icon Benji,at his best -brilliant,however he is getting older and has the worst defensive record this year in the NRL,Madge builds his game on strong defensive plans..
What most don't realise is that there is a number of players in the squad that have not been able to get a run with State Cup being called off due to covid,Madge is giving some a run to get an idea of where they are at and to see if they are NRL quality...if you look at it in perspective he is trying to be as fair as he can while trying to field a strong competitive team..this year is an unprecedented year all around,it has affected not only the NRL but the community as a whole,Madge is doing his best under these circumstances..
Our depth as far as experience and quality, is rather thin and we have many young up and comers that need to get game time and this is Madge doing just that,otherwise he will never know what he has to pick from when injuries or illness hits the team.
Im not one to bang on about not making the finals is another failure,Im more of supporting the coach who is making changes so the club and team will be a success going forward for a number of years to come..
What Madge has done doesn't please everyone...but hard decisions have to be made,he is an NRL level coach,I have faith in what he is trying to achieve...
For those whinging and whining about not making the finals they should go and follow the Roosters or Storm...Iam much happier supporting a hard working coach who is doing his utmost to get this club from the rabble it was to a constantly hard working team that will become a top team in the future..
The Raiders game has given us an insight to where Madge is trying to take this team with what he has got to work with,I will support him all the way as I watch the progress of this team throughout the season..

I'm not whinging and whining about making the finals TT - but I am about picking the best team available. You have to give yourself the best chance of making the finals. If you pick your best teams and you don't make - stiff.

Jennings - really?
Huth - good for 3 metres a run.
McIntyre - should have been cut ages a go.
Chee-Kam - would never be in my run on team.

Giving people a run - don't think so. You could play the whole season and may never have had to pick them.

Get what he is doing, good against the Raiders but trying out people for a contract or keep their fitness up is madness to my mind.

Quite right to have an opinion Russ and we will all differ in same,however if we had State Cup going this year we would have a much better idea than we have now on player fitness and performance..its an unprecedented year,as far as Jennings goes he would be out of my team,but Im not Madge and he may have very little to chose from and has to put him in..
The Raiders game showed me how much a kick in the butt some of these players needed,an improved performance from our younger and older players shows me they have been told to play to the standard or see ya later,its the culture shock they have needed and I hope Madge gives it to them every week solid for the rest of the year..

Yeah for sure it was pretty obvious that the changes after the titans game did what they were supposed to. They played with more energy and enthusiasm than they have all year against weaker teams we win. Need more of the same this week

 

[avocadoontoast]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

 

[TrueTiger]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

What if those 12 players showed potential and aren't up to the standard that's required,Jennings comes to mind as a great try scorer for Souths,Brooks was the next Joey Johns and on it goes you can say its unacceptable in your opinion,but others who know the game can see how things change for the better or the worse as seasons go on...its finding the one important thing from all the players....

CONSISTENCY WEEK IN WEEK OUT...

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

 

[avocadoontoast]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

What if those 12 players showed potential and aren't up to the standard that's required,Jennings comes to mind as a great try scorer for Souths,Brooks was the next Joey Johns and on it goes you can say its unacceptable in your opinion,but others who know the game can see how things change for the better or the worse as seasons go on...its finding the one important thing from all the players....

CONSISTENCY WEEK IN WEEK OUT...

Do you think it's acceptable for us to miss the finals again this year?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Not saying he shouldn't see his contract out, and have never said anything about getting rid of him. But i'm saying that results need to come.

Do you think it's acceptable to miss the finals this year?

 

[TrueTiger]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

What if those 12 players showed potential and aren't up to the standard that's required,Jennings comes to mind as a great try scorer for Souths,Brooks was the next Joey Johns and on it goes you can say its unacceptable in your opinion,but others who know the game can see how things change for the better or the worse as seasons go on...its finding the one important thing from all the players....

CONSISTENCY WEEK IN WEEK OUT...

Do you think it's acceptable for us to miss the finals again this year?

Yes I do when you see the quality of some of the teams above us and see the performances from our team, inconsistency ,minimal experienced depth and young guys trying to make it..
If our team can get it through their heads that they have to play like they did against the Raiders without the mistakes week in week out,then they are a chance of getting close to the 8...

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Not saying he shouldn't see his contract out, and have never said anything about getting rid of him. But i'm saying that results need to come.

Do you think it's acceptable to miss the finals this year?

With the squad we have I would be surprised if we made finals. For me next year is the big one, by then he’s had plenty of opportunity to sign players and get the team he wants.

It’s hard to know how long to keep a coach. Brad Arthur won spoons at eels and they stuck with him Forever and slowly he assembled the team they have now who will probably win the premiership. Do you hope the coach will slowly get the team to where he wants it or do you bring someone new in after 3 seasons of not doing amazing.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Not saying he shouldn't see his contract out, and have never said anything about getting rid of him. But i'm saying that results need to come.

Do you think it's acceptable to miss the finals this year?

With the squad we have I would be surprised if we made finals. For me next year is the big one, by then he’s had plenty of opportunity to sign players and get the team he wants.

It’s hard to know how long to keep a coach. Brad Arthur won spoons at eels and they stuck with him Forever and slowly he assembled the team they have now who will probably win the premiership. Do you hope the coach will slowly get the team to where he wants it or do you bring someone new in after 3 seasons of not doing amazing.

Fair enough, I just think if he is unable to improve the club one position on the ladder it's unacceptable. According to many forumers we've strengthened our team with the addition of AD, the two Leilua's, Musgrove etc yet our expectations are somehow lower? I don't get it.

 

[JC99]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Not saying he shouldn't see his contract out, and have never said anything about getting rid of him. But i'm saying that results need to come.

Do you think it's acceptable to miss the finals this year?

With the squad we have I would be surprised if we made finals. For me next year is the big one, by then he’s had plenty of opportunity to sign players and get the team he wants.

It’s hard to know how long to keep a coach. Brad Arthur won spoons at eels and they stuck with him Forever and slowly he assembled the team they have now who will probably win the premiership. Do you hope the coach will slowly get the team to where he wants it or do you bring someone new in after 3 seasons of not doing amazing.

Fair enough, I just think if he is unable to improve the club one position on the ladder it's unacceptable. According to many forumers we've strengthened our team with the addition of AD, the two Leilua's, Musgrove etc yet our expectations are somehow lower? I don't get it.

That’s a good point our team on paper should be stronger than last year. 8th place should definitely be achievable but at the same times it’s up to the players to play with the effort that they did against raiders every week

 

[TrueTiger]

Eisenhuth, Jennings and Mcintyre. Cowboys have major injuries and average at best but we will struggle. Too many weak links in our side this week.

Not many other options really. Clark and Seyfarth didn’t set the world on fire either. May as well give Eiso and McIntyre a chance to prove themselves

Madge is for sure sussing out which of these off contract forwards to keep and who to boot. Then he can sign some new guys hopefully but that’s a while away

Great system, don't worry about winning games, just try out players.

Obviously he has given up on the 2020 season by the look of it.

None of the bench forwards have done that well, why not give the other guys a go? It’s more that than anything, we need someone to prove themselves and lock down that bench spot. No ones given up on the season especially not Madge ? also helps keep the squad fitness up.

Should he have not had an idea who would be our best rotation rather than trial and error every week? By the time he’s done experimenting the season will be out of our grasp. I’m with @Russell on this one.

How would he know if he’s not given these guys a chance, there’s no reserve grade either. The whole team is set, it’s pretty much 2-3 bench spots that are an issue. That’s because the players haven’t been good enough how can you blame that on the coach. Hes also keeping players fit something storm and other clubs are doing as well.

Would he not be able to get an idea at training who is performing better than others? Isn't it his job to know who his best 17 are? This is his second full season, he should be all over that by now. He's blaming the changes on attitude but really, he just made the wrong selections. The buck stops with him.

Also, what's the point of keeping the players fit if we're not winning games. For us it should be our best 17 every week don't you think?

Training is completely different from actual games, he picked the hardest working guys (Packer, Seyfarth) and they went pretty average out there on the field so tough to say he just made the wrong selections

You’re acting like he’s picked a whole different team from last week, he made three changes and two of them were forced. After the titans game he made changes and it clearly worked the team played way better.

He absolutely made the wrong selections. He got it wrong. As @Geo posted last week a vast majority of the starting team have been signed or re-signed by Madge. There has to come a time where he becomes accountable.

Selections for which game were wrong? The titans game? They won the week before you’re not gonna make major changes

From the start of the season. We were lucky as hell to beat St George, got bent over by Newcastle, beat Cronulla then got done by the Titans and the Raiders.

Easy to look in hindsight mate. What 1-17 are you picking to play the rest of the year?

I'm not the coach, he is. And he gets paid a lot of money to make those decisions. At the moment it looks like he's using a dartboard to select his bench each week.

Again, he’s dropping players who didn’t play good enough. Not sure why you’re against that?

Because they weren't good enough to be selected in the first place.

Then who was? There’s not many options mate ? they’re all considered ‘plodders’ on this forums.

Eisenhuth is a massive plodder but at least he's a good defender. Musgrove 30kg overweight is more effective than Clark/Seyfarth.

Let's remember our bench was Seyfarth/Clark as our middle rotation with Rowdy coming on for 10 minutes for zero impact at the end. That is not good bench selection and even worse interchange management.

Avo,Im not having a go at you mate,but your opinion regarding what Madge has to select from and what they give him on game day is something out of your league.
Madge can only select what he thinks will deliver him on the field,Benji has been great over the years and as I have said before Madge builds his gameplan on defence and Benji has been an absolute liability in that area.
Constant criticism of the coach when not knowing the full extent of his positional needs and player quality to deliver those needs is showing a lack of understanding what it takes to field a quality team..

I want him to succeed more than anything but he's been here for 2 seasons and 12 of the 17 players we have playing on Saturday have been signed or re-signed by him. He needs to be accountable and if we don't make the 8 this year it's unacceptable. That's just my opinion.

He’s been here one season and he’s still in the process of building the squad he wants. You gotta give him the full 3 years of his contract to prove his worth. It’s clear the club is heading in the right direction but there’s still plenty to be done. He’s barely had salary cap to work with until now and the signings he’s made have been good. Fingers crossed he’s the man to turn us around but we gotta give him a chance to finish his contract at least

Not saying he shouldn't see his contract out, and have never said anything about getting rid of him. But i'm saying that results need to come.

Do you think it's acceptable to miss the finals this year?

With the squad we have I would be surprised if we made finals. For me next year is the big one, by then he’s had plenty of opportunity to sign players and get the team he wants.

It’s hard to know how long to keep a coach. Brad Arthur won spoons at eels and they stuck with him Forever and slowly he assembled the team they have now who will probably win the premiership. Do you hope the coach will slowly get the team to where he wants it or do you bring someone new in after 3 seasons of not doing amazing.

Fair enough, I just think if he is unable to improve the club one position on the ladder it's unacceptable. According to many forumers we've strengthened our team with the addition of AD, the two Leilua's, Musgrove etc yet our expectations are somehow lower? I don't get it.

Your quite right to question the roster and then the performances...I will try and help you understand...
AD a good buy but still finding his feet at fullback but coming along nicely..
Musgrove overweight,but his performance against Raiders was reasonably good,will get better with games under his belt...
Luciano is getting better and better if he avoids injuries he will be devastating for us...
BJ is a quality centre being starved of ball due to Brooks and Benji not feeding the backline,this could be due to Madge telling them to play the defensive plan,such as 5 hitups and a bomb..
So in conclusion lots of things don't happen overnight and players are still familiarising themselves with the coach and his style of play that they have to adapt to,hope this helps and it isn't being negative to your opinion,just letting you know some things take time mate...

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

if we miss the finals this year it is not the end of the world. Agree next year is the crucial year we have bug names off contract and money to play with have to give Madge next year at least

 

[Russell]

At this point he’s tried everyone anyway so there’s no ‘experimenting’ really.

Isn't that the very definition of experimenting?

Dropping players for not performing isn’t experimenting lol that’s just good coaching. You wanna keep guys in the team who aren’t good enough?

No, but again, isn't it the coaches job to know what players are good enough? It's not like the guys that got dropped (Seyfarth, Clark, Jennings) were playing below their best. They just weren't good to begin with.

Clark had plenty of good games last year and Seyfarth was on debut so you can’t really say they weren’t good enough to begin with. It’s not like the other options played any better so he played the guys who worked the hardest for The spot.

Clark was not very good at all last year and Seyfarth wasn't too flash even in CC.

Clark was solid last year. Seyfarth worked his as off to earn his spot over guys who came back from iso who weren’t as fit. Now Musgrove is fit again he’s playing

Clark is a total plodder, so is Seyfarth.

i see more potential in Seyfarth than Clark

I don't.