WESTS Tigers Team V Parramatta

[Guest]

Mother of god, Hoeter and Milone in the centres…that'll do me.

 

[Guest]

How many games before the season is over ?

Too many unfortunately :frowning:

Can anyone please tell me what Taylor sees in Milone? I suppose we're out of options in the centre.

I don't mind him.
He's tough and pretty good in defence.

Better than Hoeter anyway.

Good footwork , just needs to work on positioning his winger imo

Milone is rubbish. How anyone thinks he is above that I will never understand.

 

[851]

Both centres are NSW cup standard at best, and that is being kind

 

[innsaneink]

"I'm excited!!!"

So very excited cant you see


 

[MacDougall]

Radradra to score 8 tries.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Jason Taylor should strap up… This way he could lead the way with his 'defensive plan'!

 

[Masterton]

Why in the flying cake hole is he not giving Lamar Liolevave a go ?
He should be at least taking Santi's spot on the bench .

I don't see much NSW Cup, but he was shocking in his one go in first grade.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Why in the flying cake hole is he not giving Lamar Liolevave a go ?
He should be at least taking Santi's spot on the bench .

I don't see much NSW Cup, but he was shocking in his one go in first grade.

Lamar best asset is as a wide running backrower… He tends to stay on his edge waiting for work.

Personally, I'd prefer we use backrowers wide, but we simply dont have the attitude in the ruck for this to happen.

Sadly, this type of player doesnt suit the Wests Tigers structure.

 

[stevied]

Hoeter, Milone, Santi, Lovett, Buchanan. Inspiring.

And you can add Galloway. As I said on another thread, whatever happened to consequence for poor performance and reward for strong performance??? Lodge should start with Figiatusa on the bench, Fine and Seve should be the centres and Loliavave should replace Santi. Very young but more skill and gusto!
:deadhorse:

 

[cat-party]

Parramatta Eels vs. Wests Plodders

 

[Tiger_Torch]

O.K. guys its been awhile so here's the news from inside the bunker.
-Simona may play on Monday but its not only his ankle that's causing concern, its his general fitness & pace which has been the case since the pre-season. He is simply not making the second efforts at training as he hasn't got the fitness - carrying too much muscle bulk same as Tapau.
- Tapau has been challenged to play 30 minutes high intensity per half but he simply can't get those minutes which forces Woods to play more minutes than he should. Tapau is not happy at being forced to play longer minutes he sees his role as a starting impact player / enforcer!!! The jury is out on whether he will hang around beyond 2016.
- Seve is ready and may make his debut after bye. He is now the 2nd fastest in the club after Teddy. What may surprise some is that Simona has slipped to 5th behind Brooks & Martin. (this is for 50m - 100m sprints) Simona can still compete with these guys up to 50m, but has definitely lost pace. Seve has impressed with his defence as well as his attack and has a bit of mongrel in his play. His work rate though is still poor. Overall the club believes he is the long term centre solution - he was a left centre specialist but is now playing exclusively right centre preparing to partner Simona.
- Fine much like Lawrence is now considered primarily a 2nd rower and is still finding his feet after coming back from injury. Fletcher thinks he's good to go, Taylor not convinced.
- Noffa is still 4 weeks away and much like Simona is causing concern with his dramatic loss of pace.
_ Hoeter & Malone (club favourite - not mine) are both in the top 25 contracted players so will always be looked at first. Taylor was involved in selecting his top 25 so there's no hiding from the fact that his assessments are poor as there are at least 5 (including these 2) of this top 25 not worthy of this ranking. This is a core problem for those of you like me that watch every game in every grade - our top 25 is in fact not our top 25 based on performance.
- The club is well and truly under the cap with further savings to come at end of year - problem is there isn't much actual petty cash left to get near spending the cap. Pauli Pauli & Daniel Tupou are still in discussions as is Idris with a $250k 1 year subsidy from Penrith. Whilst I was lead to believe we would have $1million + to spend in 2016 I'm now told all we can actually afford is closer to $700k - which will put us approx. $500k below 2016 cap.
- Bailey Sironen & Matthew Woods are seen as the next wave of backrow talent.
- Funaki; Akoula have both failed this year to impress Fletcher and in turn Taylor; Liolave has been told to lift his defence workrate to match Lovett's / Santis before he will be given another shot in 1st grade.
_ Taylor will remain until at least round 13 2016! But there are triggers beyond that!!! He can of course walk away anytime he wants without any penalty.
O.k. that's what I've been told but for what its worth my opinions are as follows:
If the reported selected team actually plays??? we will get belted by 20+ and definitely get the spoon. This is a very poor side: Sevi & Fine should both play this week even if Simona is fit.
I would let all off contract players go with the exception of Ava; Martin & Lovett.
I would sign Tupou (close personal friend of Rod Reddy) for $300k - asking $350k.
Likewise I would take the risk on Idris @ $300k + Penrith $250k 1 yr subsidy / with further 1 year option at full price $550k. ( I don't think we can swing this deal)
I would sign Pauli Pauli @ $250k p.a. over 2 years - still looks promising perhaps announced after Monday's game.
I would increase Tapou in line with Brooks & Moses which I'm told next year could be $400k +
All future hopes to become a consistent and legitimate title contender rest with the resolution of the Balmain Leagues club saga and pretty much rely on one man Harry T!

 

[stevied]

Sorry, and Buchanan should be nowhere to be seen. Just not up to first grade….

 

[stevied]

Wow, that was a very revealing and interesting post TT! Thank you but how did you unearth it all? Those signing options sound excellent!

 

[Tuiaki_Chicken_Wings]

O.K. guys its been awhile so here's the news from inside the bunker.
-Simona may play on Monday but its not only his ankle that's causing concern, its his general fitness & pace which has been the case since the pre-season. He is simply not making the second efforts at training as he hasn't got the fitness - carrying too much muscle bulk same as Tapau.
- Tapau has been challenged to play 30 minutes high intensity per half but he simply can't get those minutes which forces Woods to play more minutes than he should. Tapau is not happy at being forced to play longer minutes he sees his role as a starting impact player / enforcer!!! The jury is out on whether he will hang around beyond 2016.
- Seve is ready and may make his debut after bye. He is now the 2nd fastest in the club after Teddy. What may surprise some is that Simona has slipped to 5th behind Brooks & Martin. (this is for 50m - 100m sprints) Simona can still compete with these guys up to 50m, but has definitely lost pace. Seve has impressed with his defence as well as his attack and has a bit of mongrel in his play. His work rate though is still poor. Overall the club believes he is the long term centre solution - he was a left centre specialist but is now playing exclusively right centre preparing to partner Simona.
- Fine much like Lawrence is now considered primarily a 2nd rower and is still finding his feet after coming back from injury. Fletcher thinks he's good to go, Taylor not convinced.
- Noffa is still 4 weeks away and much like Simona is causing concern with his dramatic loss of pace.
_ Hoeter & Malone (club favourite - not mine) are both in the top 25 contracted players so will always be looked at first. Taylor was involved in selecting his top 25 so there's no hiding from the fact that his assessments are poor as there are at least 5 (including these 2) of this top 25 not worthy of this ranking. This is a core problem for those of you like me that watch every game in every grade - our top 25 is in fact not our top 25 based on performance.
- The club is well and truly under the cap with further savings to come at end of year - problem is there isn't much actual petty cash left to get near spending the cap. Pauli Pauli & Daniel Tupou are still in discussions as is Idris with a $250k 1 year subsidy from Penrith. Whilst I was lead to believe we would have $1million + to spend in 2016 I'm now told all we can actually afford is closer to $700k - which will put us approx. $500k below 2016 cap.
- Bailey Sironen & Matthew Woods are seen as the next wave of backrow talent.
- Funaki; Akoula have both failed this year to impress Fletcher and in turn Taylor; Liolave has been told to lift his defence workrate to match Lovett's / Santis before he will be given another shot in 1st grade.
_ Taylor will remain until at least round 13 2016! But there are triggers beyond that!!! He can of course walk away anytime he wants without any penalty.
O.k. that's what I've been told but for what its worth my opinions are as follows:
If the reported selected team actually plays??? we will get belted by 20+ and definitely get the spoon. This is a very poor side: Sevi & Fine should both play this week even if Simona is fit.
I would let all off contract players go with the exception of Ava; Martin & Lovett.
I would sign Tupou (close personal friend of Rod Reddy) for $300k - asking $350k.
Likewise I would take the risk on Idris @ $300k + Penrith $250k 1 yr subsidy / with further 1 year option at full price $550k. ( I don't think we can swing this deal)
I would sign Pauli Pauli @ $250k p.a. over 2 years - still looks promising perhaps announced after Monday's game.
I would increase Tapou in line with Brooks & Moses which I'm told next year could be $400k +
All future hopes to become a consistent and legitimate title contender rest with the resolution of the Balmain Leagues club saga and pretty much rely on one man Harry T!

Thanks TT. Regards to the cap, lots saying our cap is an absolute shamozle but then seeing this confuses me a tad. As for the signings they sound like major upgrades on what we have but how realistic are they??

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[greatodensraven]

Thanks for the updates TT. Given the issues with Nofo & Simona I'd be happy to play Seve & Fine in the centre's until they're 100% fit. Bit of a worry they've lost so much speed tho.

And if Marty is happy to play an impact role then why not start him off the bench? Is JT trying to turn players into something they're not?

What a mess this year has become.

 

[851]

Thanks TT very informative, but how are we so broke, we got a loan from the NRL, and have NRL grants like all other clubs which is about $1.5mill over the salary cap.
Plus we have unloaded about 10 top 25 players some on good coin in the last 16 months and replaced them with bargain basement players.
Tupou would be a great swap for Patty, Idris could be gold or another waste of money, and Pauli Pauli could be just like Idris, an astute buy or a waste of money, especially with reduced interchange.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Thanks TT very informative, but how are we so broke, we got a loan from the NRL, and have NRL grants like all other clubs which is about $1.5mill over the salary cap.
Plus we have unloaded about 10 top 25 players some on good coin in the last 16 months and replaced them with bargain basement players.
Tupou would be a great swap for Patty, Idris could be gold or another waste of money, and Pauli Pauli could be just like Idris, an astute buy or a waste of money, especially with reduced interchange.

The loan from the NRL probably only covered outstanding debt, not future spending.

He also stated we are NOT spending the Cap for financial reasons, rather than being over the cap.

 

[foreveratiger]

As much as the Spoon is a big reality this year , well so is Taupau last Season with us next year .
There is no way we will be able to compete with other Clubs to keep him from 2017 and Beyond.

WOW talk about scrapping the Barrel

 

[alexaki]

happy some clubs have 10 injuries and could name a stronger side.

Our depth is awful at the minute.

Seems like no light at the end of the tunnel/

Eddie I totally agree 1000%

But that's the best we have , as bad as that is

Keith Lulia is much better than Hoeter and Milone
Lamar is a better 2nd rower than Lovett…

Agree?

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[851]

Thanks TT very informative, but how are we so broke, we got a loan from the NRL, and have NRL grants like all other clubs which is about $1.5mill over the salary cap.
Plus we have unloaded about 10 top 25 players some on good coin in the last 16 months and replaced them with bargain basement players.
Tupou would be a great swap for Patty, Idris could be gold or another waste of money, and Pauli Pauli could be just like Idris, an astute buy or a waste of money, especially with reduced interchange.

The loan from the NRL probably only covered outstanding debt, not future spending.

He also stated we are NOT spending the Cap for financial reasons, rather than being over the cap.

I said broke not over the cap, I just referenced the cap to funding and the off loading of quite a bit of salary cap, so we should have saved there, Balmain must be sucking the life out of us with this Rozelle disaster.