Wests Tigers v Manly TRIAL ..*Spoilers

[carltonleach]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

 

[Tigerwould]

Very good chance he himself never knew he could kick, don’t recall him ever being a goal kicker throughout juniors. Goal kicking is a skill that can be taught and refined with practice, he has been practicing all off season with a kicking coach.

Brooks has been taking the kick offs for years. Maybe the goalkicking it is part of him taking more ownership and showing more ego.

I said it after the game, he could of been doing this (goal kicking) a lot earlier in past seasons when we lost a few games from missed attempts at goal, which cost us a semi spots.

Are you seriously blaming Luke brooks for other guys missing sitters in front of the posts ? LOL If your answer to the question “does that seem reasonable ?” Is yes , than youve clearly lost the plot

No one is blaming Brooks for other guys missing sitters mate ..
That’s in your head !
What we’re saying is why wasn’t Brooks kicking goals earlier in his career ?
I don’t believe the sore hammy’s theory
I’d say it was due to confidence and Brooks being an introvert .

Who Cares ?????? Why is this a thing ? It’s like you searched for a negative the last few days until you found something ..... and it’s back to the hate again . It’s a little bit sad ...

No not at all ..
I just asked why Brooks hadn’t been used as a goal kicker before now ?

You also called him a tanker and seem to enjoy relentless jabs at him. Don’t know if you seriously hate him or its an attempt a comedy or what. There must be over 100 of them from you across all threads.

 

[hobbo1]

Very good chance he himself never knew he could kick, don’t recall him ever being a goal kicker throughout juniors. Goal kicking is a skill that can be taught and refined with practice, he has been practicing all off season with a kicking coach.

Brooks has been taking the kick offs for years. Maybe the goalkicking it is part of him taking more ownership and showing more ego.

I said it after the game, he could of been doing this (goal kicking) a lot earlier in past seasons when we lost a few games from missed attempts at goal, which cost us a semi spots.

Are you seriously blaming Luke brooks for other guys missing sitters in front of the posts ? LOL If your answer to the question “does that seem reasonable ?” Is yes , than youve clearly lost the plot

No one is blaming Brooks for other guys missing sitters mate ..
That’s in your head !
What we’re saying is why wasn’t Brooks kicking goals earlier in his career ?
I don’t believe the sore hammy’s theory
I’d say it was due to confidence and Brooks being an introvert .

Who Cares ?????? Why is this a thing ? It’s like you searched for a negative the last few days until you found something ..... and it’s back to the hate again . It’s a little bit sad ...

No not at all ..
I just asked why Brooks hadn’t been used as a goal kicker before now ?


You also called him a tanker and seem to enjoy relentless jabs at him. Don’t know if you seriously hate him or its an attempt a comedy or what. There must be over 100 of them from you across all threads.

I don’t think I’ve mentioned him in the Soccer thread ..
Can you check for me ?
Thanks ?

 

[hank37w]

https://gfycat.com/defiantlasthagfish

That celebration:joy: :joy:

And the crowd goes wild . . . . . . .Yay.

 

[walter]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

 

[Tigersmurf]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

BJ, M'Bye, Musgrove...I know they had many of their best players out but we had a bit of quality on the sidelines also. Early in the game when we kept scoring down the RHS, I thought we must have been marking against their kids. Then on the video playback I realised that side was defended by Suli, Sirro and the goal kicking winger, and only the fullback was a junior player.

Manly will lose a lot of impact by not having Fonua Blake.

 

[diedpretty]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

We did play a lot of young kids - the only players out of their top 30 who didn't play were - Jake T, Foran, DCE, Walker. Others who are unavailable due to injury or courts and aren't available rnd 1 were Tom T, Fainu, Croker, Taufua and Saab. As others have pointed out their forwards were only missing Jake T and were dominated. This under strength is rubbish - they have a very good top 13 if they are all on the park but overall they have a very ordinary top 30.

 

[carltonleach]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing


We did play a lot of young kids - the only players out of their top 30 who didn't play were - Jake T, Foran, DCE, Walker. Others who are unavailable due to injury or courts and aren't available rnd 1 were Tom T, Fainu, Croker, Taufua and Saab. As others have pointed out their forwards were only missing Jake T and were dominated. This under strength is rubbish - they have a very good top 13 if they are all on the park but overall they have a very ordinary top 30.

The best part is those are the games we usually lose or only just win, too see a result like that shows we are a team on the rise and the culture change in the club seems visible. Its early days but if we can keep up the changes we have made I think we will shake up the competition this year

 

[jadtiger]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

If i was a manly supporter i would know that basicaly my FG pack was destroyed by a team that is not rated by most supporters from other clubs.I would be very nervous for the season.

 

[diedpretty]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

BJ, M'Bye, Musgrove...I know they had many of their best players out but we had a bit of quality on the sidelines also. Early in the game when we kept scoring down the RHS, I thought we must have been marking against their kids. Then on the video playback I realised that side was defended by Suli, Sirro and the goal kicking winger, and only the fullback was a junior player.

Manly will lose a lot of impact by not having Fonua Blake.

Morgan Harper who played fullback is in their top 30 not a junior.

 

[Tiger5150]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.

I think it is EVERYBODIES opinion that Mbye is overpaid, no one is disputing that and we have Ivan to thank for that. But once you accept that, and look at Mbye as a player, he does have something to offer. I thought the last 2 years he was probably the second best defensive back and I think has a fantastic passing game that would be useful at fullback, has enough pace but he has been bad under the high ball.

Last two years he was a walk up tart in the team, this year he will struggle but still very useful.

 

[Tiger5150]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

BJ, M'Bye, Musgrove...I know they had many of their best players out but we had a bit of quality on the sidelines also. Early in the game when we kept scoring down the RHS, I thought we must have been marking against their kids. Then on the video playback I realised that side was defended by Suli, Sirro and the goal kicking winger, and only the fullback was a junior player.

Manly will lose a lot of impact by not having Fonua Blake.

Fullback was Harper, he played a fair bit of firsts at centre last year, scored a double in his debut

 

[mikey]

**Manly Sea Eagles**
**Result: defeated 52-10 by the Tigers**

Who fired: Kieran Foran is expected to get first nod for the No. 6 jersey but Josh Schuster banged the door down with his performance in a heavily defeated side against the Tigers. The young towering playmaker plays with maturity beyond his years, throwing himself into the line and aiming up in defence. The youngster was rewarded with a tidy try at the end of the match.

Who didn't: Josh Aloiai had a big opportunity to put his former side on notice following his ugly exit over the off-season but failed to do so. Brought in as a direct replacement for Addin Fonua-Blake, **Aloiai had zero impact for Des Hasler's side off the bench.**

Guess the track was too fast for him!...

More interested in seeing if the grass had the right amount of fert and the cut at the correct level.

 

[earl]

Last two years he was a walk up tart in the team, this year he will struggle but still very useful

He is one if not our highest paid player and I wouldn't pick him if we were full strength. He is a solid first grade player. He has pace. I reckon he plays pretty tough. I just don't think he is good enough or close to it when you consider how much he is getting paid.

I don't consider his signing as bad as Reynolds or even Packers but it's close.

 

[Tiger5150]

Last two years he was a walk up tart in the team, this year he will struggle but still very useful

He is one if not our ***highest paid player*** and I wouldn't pick him if we were full strength. He is a solid first grade player. He has pace. I reckon he plays pretty tough. I just don't think he is good enough or close to it ***when you consider how much he is getting paid***.

I don't consider his signing as bad as Reynolds or even Packers but it's close.

I agree with pretty much everything that you say, but my point is that the mistake was made years ago signing him for that money, but he is here and he plays to his full potential. Like you I think this year he is fringe first grade but I think we need to separate the $$$ from the opinion of him as a player.

THe $$$$ is relevant to him as a roster spot, not as a player.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

 

[earl]

Last two years he was a walk up tart in the team, this year he will struggle but still very useful

He is one if not our ***highest paid player*** and I wouldn't pick him if we were full strength. He is a solid first grade player. He has pace. I reckon he plays pretty tough. I just don't think he is good enough or close to it ***when you consider how much he is getting paid***.

I don't consider his signing as bad as Reynolds or even Packers but it's close.

I agree with pretty much everything that you say, but my point is that the mistake was made years ago signing him for that money, but he is here and he plays to his full potential. Like you I think this year he is fringe first grade but I think we need to separate the $$$ from the opinion of him as a player.

THe $$$$ is relevant to him as a roster spot, not as a player.

I think Mbye is a decent and even pretty good squad member. I think our team though looks so much stronger that it's hard to find a place for him.

 

[Tiger5150]

It was a trial, against a greatly weakened Manly team.

It was a trial that we looked fantastic in, we dominated and looked potent in attack.....in a trial against a weakened Manly team.

At times I thought our defence looked a little soft.....in a trial against a weakened opposition.

It was what it was and it couldnt have been better really. I dont see the need to play it up into something bigger than what it was. It was as good as a trial can be. Lap up the good vibes.

Raiders in a fortnight.

 

[rihannafan1]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Honestly, at this stage of the year salaries. Mean nothing.

Interesting, thanks. Why's that? I'd have thought that they mean something to the media and certain individuals, both of whom can destabilize a team.

You have your side assembled, now is about preparing for the year. You are not worried about choosing players based on what they are paid but who will do the better job. The next time you put weight in salaries is when you are making decisions around recruitment and retention.

That is overly simplistic as you are constantly reviewing your roster but my point is you do not choose your side based on what you are paying guys. You select the best players from your top 30.

Right, thanks. I guess Mbye will get the Reynolds treatment from last year then.

What are you going on about?

Mate, I was referring to how Reynolds was highly paid and not played but got picked in the squad every week. Similar to how Mbye will be. That's what I was going on about. I didn't mean it to come across as anything else.

I thought you were implying he was unfairly treated by that happening, I probably read too much into it lol. I do agree I can see Mbye being 18th man a number of times. He is actually the perfect player for that role.

No worries, can see how that would have happened. Yeah, I reckon he's a good player for it.

 

[rihannafan1]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.

I'm not entirely as stupid as you're implying. Don't let your Mbye hate get in the way of a good story.

He's been hot and cold over the past couple of years. Certainly had a bunch of injuries. He's had a couple of blinders against Canberra, one in the centres and one at fullback. I know what the 800k has gotten us, and it's a good return on investment.

Just my opinion.