Wests Tigers v Manly TRIAL ..*Spoilers

[walter]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

As I said we played good but they were understregth ed. We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo I’ll leave my judgement till after a couple of rounds

 

[mike]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.


I think it is EVERYBODIES opinion that Mbye is overpaid, no one is disputing that and we have Ivan to thank for that. But once you accept that, and look at Mbye as a player, he does have something to offer. I thought the last 2 years he was probably the second best defensive back and I think has a fantastic passing game that would be useful at fullback, has enough pace but he has been bad under the high ball.

Last two years he was a walk up **tart** in the team, this year he will struggle but still very useful.

The Freudian (or auto correct) slip is an apt description.

 

[Russell]

So how many players were manly actually missing? Imo they were only really missing 1 key defender in Jake t, I wouldn't class dce as a defender or even foran big lunch and kelma would have made them into speed humps. Tommy t at the back is a big loss but I get the feeling hes in for a long season with that hammy. My point being too put 52 on a team when they're still fielding a pretty solid forward pack is impressive regardless! Yeh they may have lacked a bit in attack but defensively we made them look really below average. We need to give more credit to the boys and stop with the not a full strength squad stuff

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

Maybe it counts a little if we note that we had 4 players out i.e. Mbye, Joey, Blore and Musgrave.

So in reality, manly only had two out. Lol

 

[Speed2burn]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

As I said we played good but they were understregth ed. We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo I’ll leave my judgement till after a couple of rounds

Were we not under strength too with a bunch of unknown rookies?

Musgrove, Mbye, BJ and Blore is a bit of experience taken out.

Add in Laurie, Simpkin, Simpkins, Madden, Stefano who we have high hopes for, but are still largely unknown in the NRL world

 

[twentyforty]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.

Russ, just what are you insinuating? ?
Speaking of overpaid duds.. did Josh Aloiai look fat in those colours. Or has he found an cushy job that pays well?

 

[cochise]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

As I said we played good but they were understregth ed. We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo I’ll leave my judgement till after a couple of rounds

Were we not under strength too with a bunch of unknown rookies?

Musgrove, Mbye, BJ and Blore is a bit of experience taken out.

Add in Laurie, Simpkin, Simpkins, Madden, Stefano who we have high hopes for, but are still largely unknown in the NRL world

It is interesting, I kept waiting for the momentum to change in the second half as we interchanged the starters. That is a trend from our trials in previous years as our depth was poor. On Sunday the replacements all came on and did a job. Good signs for the year ahead

 

[fibrodreaming]

We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo

Perhaps, but the fact that we isolated them so effectively in defence suggests they have larger problems.

Like I said, if we conceded 9 tries in that match I wouldn't be shrugging it of as only a trial with some key players missing. They should have defended better than that.

 

[Snake]

Was it Hartigan sitting at the end of the bench on Sunday with the beard ? As all players were gravitating towards that person .

 

[walter]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

As I said we played good but they were understregth ed. We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo I’ll leave my judgement till after a couple of rounds

Were we not under strength too with a bunch of unknown rookies?

Musgrove, Mbye, BJ and Blore is a bit of experience taken out.

Add in Laurie, Simpkin, Simpkins, Madden, Stefano who we have high hopes for, but are still largely unknown in the NRL world

Only time will tell if it was a fair indication of how we’re going or if it is a false reading cause manly didn’t take the trial to serious by about round 5/6 we will know

 

[cochise]

Was it Hartigan sitting at the end of the bench on Sunday with the beard ? As all players were gravitating towards that person .

Hartigan was at the other end with a headset on

 

[Speed2burn]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

As I said we played good but they were understregth ed. We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo I’ll leave my judgement till after a couple of rounds

Were we not under strength too with a bunch of unknown rookies?

Musgrove, Mbye, BJ and Blore is a bit of experience taken out.

Add in Laurie, Simpkin, Simpkins, Madden, Stefano who we have high hopes for, but are still largely unknown in the NRL world

Only time will tell if it was a fair indication of how we’re going or if it is a false reading cause manly didn’t take the trial to serious by about round 5/6 we will know

I think defence is still a big thing to take out of trials, they basically only scored once while majority of our starters were on the field off a lucky kick - iirc we defended 4-5 sets in a row on our goal line too.

 

[Snake]

Was it Hartigan sitting at the end of the bench on Sunday with the beard ? As all players were gravitating towards that person .

Hartigan was at the other end with a headset on

?

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

They all looked happy and very fit. Go hard boys. Have so much confidence in their ability. Year of the Tiger.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

As I said we played good but they were understregth ed. We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo I’ll leave my judgement till after a couple of rounds

There's not too many halfbacks in the NRL that will stop a rampaging Luciano from getting an offload away 1v1.
Because Brooks is playing both sides it afforded the left side much more space in attack, meaning it was easier for us to isolate the half, won't be the last time this happens, the Leilua boys are going to be hard to handle with that much space.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Yeah it was a good win but in saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and we had 6 players out and played a lot of young kids we would say the same thing

I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Their missing players diminished their attack, but it should not have had that much of an impact on their defence. We carved them up for the entire 80 minutes.

If the positions were reversed I would be filthy with our defence. The fact that they are making excuses shows they are in denial.

As I said we played good but they were understregth ed. We scored 4 tries through LL running at kao weeks who’s not physically ready for nrl 2 tries young turbo I’ll leave my judgement till after a couple of rounds

Were we not under strength too with a bunch of unknown rookies?

Musgrove, Mbye, BJ and Blore is a bit of experience taken out.

Add in Laurie, Simpkin, Simpkins, Madden, Stefano who we have high hopes for, but are still largely unknown in the NRL world

Only time will tell if it was a fair indication of how we’re going or if it is a false reading cause manly didn’t take the trial to serious by about round 5/6 we will know

Maybe both statements are true . If I was Des I would be very worried if the latter was true , especially because thier best player will miss a chunk of the season , and statistically they have what a 33% win percentage , without him. If already you’re fighting apathy , in the playing group , when positions in the top squad are available , that’s a recipe for disaster .
Really people can say they were missing 4 players , but for thier round 1 team , they’re missing 3. And last time I checked so were we , in BJ , Mbye and potentially Musgrove .
All you can do is play what’s in front of you . And I thought the team did that very well . Even with turbo , that backline is disastrous , and resembles some of the back lines we trotted out , which lead to Teddy getting his resentment meter going into overdrive and leaving .

Thier forward pack was thier forward pack really. Yea you chuck in Turbo Snr , but how much does he affect that result . Really the first half is the only gauge we can use for round 1 . And I believe it was 22-6at halftime . I don’t rate Dylan Walker , Turbo Snr wasn’t that great last year , And that leaves DCE , who is epitome of a half who does nothing if his forwards arnt going forward . And they weren’t .

I believe the form shown isn’t fools gold , in relation to Manly , Warriors , Dragons , Bulldogs, Broncos Cowboys and Sharks .
The issue is GC and above , and we will see if , we have moved into a top 8 type team , or we are still on the fringe of the 8 , hoping for a season where we get the rib of the green. Bring on the Raiders

 

[Tiger5150]

Des is a mad scientist.

I watched the replay back again and Manly were never going to win that trial regardless. Des didnt rest any of his forwards for over 30mins. They were tanked early and I reckon that was Des goal. Get miles in legs and seagulls in lungs.

 

[hobbo1]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.

Russ, just what are you insinuating? ?
Speaking of overpaid duds.. did Josh Aloiai look fat in those colours. Or has he found an cushy job that pays well?

I’d say both ?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.

Russ, just what are you insinuating? ?
Speaking of overpaid duds.. did Josh Aloiai look fat in those colours. Or has he found an cushy job that pays well?

I’d say both ?

I honestly thought he looked like always does . An average first grade front rower . Not a 650k game changer . LOL Des ! For once trust your eyes mate , and not the stats . Josh isn’t elite ! Just like Tollman wasn’t !

 

[hobbo1]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.

Russ, just what are you insinuating? ?
Speaking of overpaid duds.. did Josh Aloiai look fat in those colours. Or has he found an cushy job that pays well?

I’d say both ?

I honestly thought he looked like always does . An average first grade front rower . Not a 650k game changer . LOL Des ! For once trust your eyes mate , and not the stats . Josh isn’t elite ! Just like Tollman wasn’t !

Tollman would’ve been a better buy for them .
When watching I’d thought George Rose had made a comeback ?

 

[Russell]

Liddle gets the 9 jumper, Mbye the 1. They're incumbents.

Simpkin looks good for his age, reminds me of Harry Grant finding his feet in firsts with Storm a couple of season's back. No harm in him playing CC for most of the season. He'll get his shot for sure. Liddle has looked more assured in the trials and is more of an NRL player at this stage.

If Laurie is so good at back I think it'll allow the Tigers to shop Mbye more aggressively as it seems he isn't in our long-term plans. But Mbye will be around our team this year as the 1 I think Laurie may be a bit of a utility as he can play a few backline positions.

I'd give benefit of the doubt to incumbents if we'd made the finals in the last 10 years. But we haven't.

Liddle will start at 9 but Mbye has no business being in the team after both his performances in the past and the way players played yesterday.

He can cover for injuries and no more

So you'll just let 800k sit on the sidelines? Big risk. You can't ignore his cost, regardless of how well one player played for 40 minutes in a trial game against a 2/3 Manly team who are average anyway.

Just a question.

What has 800k got us for the past 2 years - I'll tell you as you seem unaware - not one game as good as Laurie's game against Manly.
I don't care if it was 2/3 a Manly team - at least he looked like a player, a player that wanted to be there, a player that looked for the ball.

Mbye is a dud, a very expensive dud, has always been a dud and always will be a dud.

Unfortunately as it stands, we will be paying for this dud again next year.

Just my opinion.

I'm not entirely as stupid as you're implying. Don't let your Mbye hate get in the way of a good story.

He's been hot and cold over the past couple of years. Certainly had a bunch of injuries. He's had a couple of blinders against Canberra, one in the centres and one at fullback. I know what the 800k has gotten us, and it's a good return on investment.

Just my opinion.

Your opinion is most welcome, although I was replying to that opinion with my opinion. For the record I was not implying you were stupid - a total misread on your part.