@cochise said in [Wests Tigers \- Who are we\.\.](/post/1252934) said:
We are in the black because we get a grant from a Leagues Club and spend less than other teams on the football department, want to stay small than play in small grounds.
A big ground doesn't make you big - small venue doesnt make you small.
Success on the other hand does help you to grow - and that is our major problem. That problem wasn't caused by a venue but a series of endless internal problems and bad decisions over time.
Yes, money is a necessity in a professional sport but the argument a big ground will get us there doesn't quite equate to me.
Apart from Suncorp those large stadiums rarely have a large crowd - if anything it makes league look bad and is an indication of a game selling its soul.
Older grounds don't give you the facilities to maximise that the return on that success. We are already spending less than other clubs.
Do you have stats to support either of those points?
I watch a lot of games but it is only on the very rare occasion that a suburban ground gets sold out - bigger venues virtually never, even for finals.
We clearly have different viewpoints on this - respect yours but beg to differ.
We average higher crowds at stadiums and stadiums have better corporate facilities. We also don't spend to the level of the new football cap.
Source: https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html
To be fair, these stats can't be sorted the way I would like to and I am cherrypicking but -
Leichardt av.- 12,837
Campbelltown av. - 11,931
Bankwest av. - 9,588
I didn't include the SFS, SCG, or ANZ because semi-final stats would boost their averages - as much as I can I picked 'suburban' grounds as these are possibly truer stats - once again, I can't sort the stats as I would like so they may be distorted.
If anyone has a better source please share.
Did you eliminate stats for this year?
TBH - not sure . As I stated in my last post, I can't sort them as I would have liked.
I'm happy to be proven wrong - what evidence do you have to support your belief?
ANZ Average 22245
SFS Average 18332
Bankwest 2019 Average 15109
Leichhardt Average 12837
Campbelltown Average 11931
It's not a belief, it is a fact.
You've probably taken the same stats that I've used and provided the link for but chosen to ignore the disclaimers I put in my post to concede they may be flawed and instead tabled them as cold irrefutable facts.
You're the winner if that makes you feel better.
Trouble is you have ignored my point in that we don't need a big ground to be pprofitable.
Your disclaimers were wrong, the averages are for home regular season games only. You also provided vastly compromised averages by including this years games for Bankwest which means half the games you included for that ground were during reduced capacity for covid.
Your use of the stats were at best misleading, at worse dishonest.
We do not make as much money at the suburban grounds, that is why we play at the stadiums.
They are cold irrefutable facts.
I'd like to know how you came up with my disclaimers are wrong when there is no detail/ explanation about the meaning of the stats on the website I used.
Thank you for calling me dishonest. I was trying to be conciliatory and concessional in putting the disclaimers in - in fact I wrote they may be wrong - but that doesn't appear to have any meaning to you. As a moderator, most posters would have an expectation you shouldn't be so insulting, provocative and inflammatory.
I didn't call you dishonest, I said your stats were at best misleading at worse dishonest. If you read the graphs on afl tables the averages are broken up into home and away regular seasons and finals, these are all collated separately. Too also include the Bankwest crowds for this year skews the data terribly as ends meaning that 50% of the home games we have had there were covid effected games with a max crowd of 7500. It seems like you omitted any information that disproved your point, even though that information was easily available on the link you provided.
Now you may have done all that by accident but even then it is still incredibly misleading.
You state you didn't call me dishonest but then quote yourself as saying so - it's an interesting way of approaching things.
If you think i tried to lie/ deceive you on purpose because I have an agenda Imaybe it's time to breathe and think again. Read my post again - I clearly stated the numbers were couldn't be sorted/ understood from how they stand. if you believe they are that's fine but to me they aren't.
At the end of the day I disagree with how you see things re large stadiums. I'm sure their are people who hold our differing views. I'm fine with that but do take exception to people who need to insult/namecall others.
I said your use of stats was either misleading or dishonest and u stand by that. The stats didn't even need to be sorted, they already had been. You only supplied the stats that supported your argument while the others were sitting right there. I understand it was probably a mistake but it is still misleading.
Dog - bone - have a nice day making up your version of events.
Please ignore any posts I make in the future because I won't be responding to yours.
