What does it take for a vet to get dropped?

[earl]

Hopefully Mbye's cards have been marked. Was a poor move to take AD away from the 5/8.

It looks like the forwards have been shuffled again and the use of Blore this season has been criminal.

I'm cool with the criticism of Madge but I can understand who he has picked this week. Firstly Nofo and Luc are some of our better players. They have to be picked. Tuki SImpkins deserves a go and AD should be moved back to 6.

The thing with AD is that you can play him in the centres if we had two quality halves. Mbye is great at doing nothing in every position he plays in.

Madge has to work out who makes our starting pack. I suppose he is trying something now. Tuki Simpkins and Stef get a chance to prove they deserve to be picked each week. I reckon Blore and Seyfarth make our top team but that means players like Joe O, Twal, Tamou and Mikaele are going to miss a spot.

On the positive we have some depth in the pack. We should only be signing top quality forwards.

Our outside backs are terrible.

 

[rustycage]

Serious question....

**For our senior players, what would it actually take to get dropped...**

LL = massive hole on D, his edge exploited every week...never dropped.

Mbye = literally did not try last game. The Adam Reynolds try was farcically bad. Body language screams I don't care...always in the squad.

Tamou = 24 meters....been bent backwards for a month...always picked.

Nofa = same errors all season...always picked.

In case people have not noticed, the only people McGuire drops are the kids. He has not held a 'vet' accountable all season. Not one of them.

These 'leaders' have been there whilst we have been absolutely slaughtered first 30 mins of most games...Tommy's big day, Storm, Parra, Bunnies, all games over and cooked first 30.

The starters can be down 30 and it **will be the young bloke on the bench who cops it.**

We have a coach who has not dropped LL, Nofa, Tamou or Mbye once all season... just pause for a moment and think about that. Then ask yourself if you would respect the coach.

I have said this for 2 years, he sprukes accountability, but only applies it to a selective few, and there are still a few rusted on Madge lovers making excuses for him

Mate, I think you're missing the point. Us "Madge Lovers" aren't in fact Madge Lovers. We just want some stability. I supported Potter, Taylor, Cleary and now Madge. Unfortunately, none have been around long enough to make a go of things. If Madge is gonna fail, he needs time to implement all the changes, bring through the youth and actually change the system. I don't love Madge. But I absolutely support him as I would the next coach.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Serious question....

**For our senior players, what would it actually take to get dropped...**

LL = massive hole on D, his edge exploited every week...never dropped.

Mbye = literally did not try last game. The Adam Reynolds try was farcically bad. Body language screams I don't care...always in the squad.

Tamou = 24 meters....been bent backwards for a month...always picked.

Nofa = same errors all season...always picked.

In case people have not noticed, the only people McGuire drops are the kids. He has not held a 'vet' accountable all season. Not one of them.

These 'leaders' have been there whilst we have been absolutely slaughtered first 30 mins of most games...Tommy's big day, Storm, Parra, Bunnies, all games over and cooked first 30.

The starters can be down 30 and it **will be the young bloke on the bench who cops it.**

We have a coach who has not dropped LL, Nofa, Tamou or Mbye once all season... just pause for a moment and think about that. Then ask yourself if you would respect the coach.

I agree with every word..I am horrified by the selections… I just don’t think McGuire has the intellect required to coach this team anymore…. There is no accountability, no progress and no lessons learned.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Any genius can drop players replacing them with one's that will do a better job is another story.

Not hard to at least pick a player who will try...you don't think Jake at 17 rather than Mbye, who has mentally tuned out the whole season, would bring energy?

You don't think Kiah Cooper...who is desperate to salvage his career...would bring more energy than Nofaluma?

You don't think Tuilagi...200 meters some weeks in state cup, strong D, and years in the storm system...would add more than Luc and his six missed tackles a week and 10 non contested ones...

I can think what ever I like but I don't have to wear it. We can all have an opinion on anything that may or may not work but making the decisions and being accountable for those is whole different level of responsibility to throwing out an opinion.

Yes, but the empirical test says Mbye / Tamou / Nofa / LL are repeatedly failing...that is not opinion. It is fact.

At least the 'thought / opinion' the others would try harder and bring energy is still debatable.

Amone has disappeared...barely given a chance and gone likely end of season. You tell him he is starting and you want the line bent first 20...I guaranteed he'd bring more energy than Tamou.

You can't guarantee anything. We can all throw out possible and probables - it means nothing. Maguire makes his decisions based on a whole lot more information than you or I have access to and ultimately he will live or die by those decisions.

OH FFS …….WHEN??????? His results have been terrible for 3 years and his selections suck and he has paid no price but us fans are continually embarrassed and frustrated and his defensive structures are ABOMINABLE!

 

[Telltails]

Any genius can drop players replacing them with one's that will do a better job is another story.

Not hard to at least pick a player who will try...you don't think Jake at 17 rather than Mbye, who has mentally tuned out the whole season, would bring energy?

You don't think Kiah Cooper...who is desperate to salvage his career...would bring more energy than Nofaluma?

You don't think Tuilagi...200 meters some weeks in state cup, strong D, and years in the storm system...would add more than Luc and his six missed tackles a week and 10 non contested ones...

I can think what ever I like but I don't have to wear it. We can all have an opinion on anything that may or may not work but making the decisions and being accountable for those is whole different level of responsibility to throwing out an opinion.

Yes, but the empirical test says Mbye / Tamou / Nofa / LL are repeatedly failing...that is not opinion. It is fact.

At least the 'thought / opinion' the others would try harder and bring energy is still debatable.

Amone has disappeared...barely given a chance and gone likely end of season. You tell him he is starting and you want the line bent first 20...I guaranteed he'd bring more energy than Tamou.

You can't guarantee anything. We can all throw out possible and probables - it means nothing. Maguire makes his decisions based on a whole lot more information than you or I have access to and ultimately he will live or die by those decisions.

OH FFS …….WHEN??????? His results have been terrible for 3 years and his selections suck and he has paid no price but us fans are continually embarrassed and frustrated and his defensive structures are ABOMINABLE!

No price - you have got to be kidding. He has paid the ultimate price of taking on a club that for years has disappointed - and in doing so will quite likely take the fall for another underwhelming group of handsomely paid players who just don't cut it.

 

[jirskyr]

I think Madge should not run out any vets next week, just all kids. Babies even.

 

[BAGNF05]

Maguire's statement about finding men really makes no sense when he swings the axe at rookies and leaves underperforming senior players in the squad.

Yes, the rhetoric is beyond a joke.

Big Luc can't tackle...he can't get down low, nor move at pace left to right. Madge says "find your shoulder! I need men who can find their shoulders!"...

But then does not even take from the field a big, overweight, bloke who can't tackle...work that out.

LL should be a bench impact player.

I’ve been a Madge supporter but if he can’t see this bloke is a fat liability…. Next

 

[TrueTiger]

Serious question....

**For our senior players, what would it actually take to get dropped...**

LL = massive hole on D, his edge exploited every week...never dropped.

Mbye = literally did not try last game. The Adam Reynolds try was farcically bad. Body language screams I don't care...always in the squad.

Tamou = 24 meters....been bent backwards for a month...always picked.

Nofa = same errors all season...always picked.

In case people have not noticed, the only people McGuire drops are the kids. He has not held a 'vet' accountable all season. Not one of them.

These 'leaders' have been there whilst we have been absolutely slaughtered first 30 mins of most games...Tommy's big day, Storm, Parra, Bunnies, all games over and cooked first 30.

The starters can be down 30 and it **will be the young bloke on the bench who cops it.**

We have a coach who has not dropped LL, Nofa, Tamou or Mbye once all season... just pause for a moment and think about that. Then ask yourself if you would respect the coach.

When you take your valium and calm down,he is playing the guys who are the most highly paid and trying to take it easy on the future players of the club,that being the young guns....but in your little rant think about them before you pass judgment and let Madge care for the kids,THEY ARE DEVELOPING,let the high paid layabouts earn the paycheck even if they cop a hiding...

 

[TrueTiger]

One day when these kids Madge is developing and educating become the stalwarts of our club,all of a sudden the haters will be glad Madge looked after the young guns....

 

[TrueTiger]

Hopefully Mbye's cards have been marked. Was a poor move to take AD away from the 5/8.

It looks like the forwards have been shuffled again and the use of Blore this season has been criminal.

I'm cool with the criticism of Madge but I can understand who he has picked this week. Firstly Nofo and Luc are some of our better players. They have to be picked. Tuki SImpkins deserves a go and AD should be moved back to 6.

The thing with AD is that you can play him in the centres if we had two quality halves. Mbye is great at doing nothing in every position he plays in.

Madge has to work out who makes our starting pack. I suppose he is trying something now. Tuki Simpkins and Stef get a chance to prove they deserve to be picked each week. I reckon Blore and Seyfarth make our top team but that means players like Joe O, Twal, Tamou and Mikaele are going to miss a spot.

On the positive we have some depth in the pack. We should only be signing top quality forwards.

Our outside backs are terrible.

You can knock Mbye as much as you like,he has improved Brooks game when beside him while AD didnt give the ball out the backline...theres plenty of for and against with a lot of our players but personal like and dislike for whoever in our team doesnt change the results...Madge has to do the best he can even if it doesnt suit a lot of the fans....

 

[tony soprano]

One day when these kids Madge is developing and educating become the stalwarts of our club,all of a sudden the haters will be glad Madge looked after the young guns....

Yep when they are playing for the roosters

 

[TrueTiger]

One day when these kids Madge is developing and educating become the stalwarts of our club,all of a sudden the haters will be glad Madge looked after the young guns....

Yep when they are playing for the roosters

typical of someone who is against the coach or recruitment of young guys...why not give them time to stay with us...Brooks did,Noffo has...we maybe struggling atm,but I have faith in this club to be a force once our pathways are back in place and the young guys have someone solid developing them,isnt that why Kimmorley and Sheens have been employed...

 

[The_Patriot]

Been saying it for ever now it seems.

This club has an average senior playing roster. These guys are inconsistent and have a very poor attitude.

This is Maguire's biggest issue and for mine the main reason he is struggling as the Wests Tigers coach.

His detractors get it wrong when they call him a militant hard man, the reality is he is way too soft on his players and shows no real back bone to back up his tough words.

I need to find men lmao, more like i need to find a set.

 

[851]

Serious question....

**For our senior players, what would it actually take to get dropped...**

LL = massive hole on D, his edge exploited every week...never dropped.

Mbye = literally did not try last game. The Adam Reynolds try was farcically bad. Body language screams I don't care...always in the squad.

Tamou = 24 meters....been bent backwards for a month...always picked.

Nofa = same errors all season...always picked.

In case people have not noticed, the only people McGuire drops are the kids. He has not held a 'vet' accountable all season. Not one of them.

These 'leaders' have been there whilst we have been absolutely slaughtered first 30 mins of most games...Tommy's big day, Storm, Parra, Bunnies, all games over and cooked first 30.

The starters can be down 30 and it **will be the young bloke on the bench who cops it.**

We have a coach who has not dropped LL, Nofa, Tamou or Mbye once all season... just pause for a moment and think about that. Then ask yourself if you would respect the coach.

I have said this for 2 years, he sprukes accountability, but only applies it to a selective few, and there are still a few rusted on Madge lovers making excuses for him

Mate, I think you're missing the point. Us "Madge Lovers" aren't in fact Madge Lovers. We just want some stability. I supported Potter, Taylor, Cleary and now Madge. Unfortunately, none have been around long enough to make a go of things. If Madge is gonna fail, he needs time to implement all the changes, bring through the youth and actually change the system. I don't love Madge. But I absolutely support him as I would the next coach.

I understand your opinion, but in my view Madge is in year 3, and we have gotten worse each year, if there was some improvement I could wear it.
Not only is there no improvement, the team is going backwards, and are now statistically the worst in our 22 season history.

 

[Tigers79]

Been saying it for ever now it seems.

This club has an average senior playing roster. These guys are inconsistent and have a very poor attitude.

This is Maguire's biggest issue and for mine the main reason he is struggling as the Wests Tigers coach.

His detractors get it wrong when they call him a militant hard man, the reality is he is way too soft on his players and shows no real back bone to back up his tough words.

I need to find men lmao, more like i need to find a set.

I think the issue with senior inconsistent players in the squad will show up in this doco, there is no way maybe, tamou, nofa have his back .
Im not to sure the reason behind him picking them week in , week out but there has to be some reasoning behind it whether it be political, internal relationships or as Patriot said doesnt have a set to take a machete to the line up

Whatever it is, the optics dont look good and this upcoming doco is going to put all on show for everyone to riduclue and judge us as a organisation and football team

 

[TigerNeddyK]

One day when these kids Madge is developing and educating become the stalwarts of our club,all of a sudden the haters will be glad Madge looked after the young guns....

Yeah, NAH!!!