What if the Magpies were the sole NSw Cup side?

[Yossarian]

it looks like there might not be a team called balmain in the nsw cup next year. instead they might be called wests tigers. wests magpies will still have a team in the nsw cup and they might be getting nrl squad players from st.george illawarra and/or canberra

Why not just cal our team Wests if Balmain dont want a team.It beats Wests having players in canberra and st george.

I can never work out if you're trolling or are serious about these things… Have a think about the motives/intent of the Balmain and Wests boards and then post. One of them is trying to do the best for the JV they are a 50% stakeholder in and the other wants to please itself.

I can never work out if you're handicapped or not.for the best of the reserves to go from a wests tigers jv to a team called ryde eastwood shows just who is trying to please itself.

Handicapped? Mmm classy… You know full well that the decision to send players to BRET is a Wests Tigers decision based on the Magpies refusal to agree to a single SC team. If the Magpies want to field their own team without WT players (as they suggest they are happy enough to do) that's their call but don't blame Balmain for that.

 

[Yossarian]

You can always go back to the start if this thread. If wests can fund a nsw cup team on its own and not burden wt and balmain cant fund a team nsw cup team on its own (which is why ryde eastwood is involved) then why cant it come down to survival of the fittest? We all know that money rules the roost these days no matter what it is.
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If it came down to survival of the fittest the Magpies wouldn't have made it past 2000\. Now stop trolling and make a legitimate contribution to the topic.

 

[wtfl1981]

Same goes for balmain in 1999\. BRET is happy to revert to a wt nsw cup team as it eliviates their funding situation and they dont lose their tigers brand or oppurtunity to play at leichhardt. Magpies resisted a wt nsw cup side to keep the wests/magpies brand alive and ensure the junior base of campbeltown is not abandoned.
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[Gary_Bakerloo]

Just doing some quick numbers based off 2010 annual reports:

Balmain Leagues:
- $932,000 donation to Balmain Football Club
Wests Ashfield:
- $600,000 donation to Western Suburbs District RL
- $150,000 donation to Wests Tigers
Wests Campbelltown
- no direct donation but as an investor in the Wests Group has a maximum liability to Wests Tigers of $500,000
- there are donations to the local junior football competition. Not sure of amount.

This implies to me that $150,000 of the $932,000 donation from Balmain Leagues went to Wests Tigers. $782,000 combined with Ryde-Eastwood to form the BRET State Cup team and pay for juniors.

How expensive is a state cup side? Why would we need Ryde? Surely if the State cup side is funded through Wests Tigers, the two leagues would not exceed their total liability cap to Wests Tigers of $1m?

 

[matty119]

You said balmain leagues not balmain football club. There is a differance. I said balmain leagues does is not a stakeholder in wt. Balmain football club is the stakeholder in wt.
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Ok, where do you think Balmain Football club gets its money from???

And if you're going to get that technical, Wests Ashfield itself is not a **share**holder (stakeholders and shareholders are different things) in the joint venture, neither is Campbelltown or the Football club. The **share**holders in the organisation is the Balmain Football Club and the Wests Group, which is a combination of the two leagues clubs and football club. As a result, they are not a direct shareholder of the company, rather a portion of a shareholder.Trust me, I understand the system probably better than anyone on here.

If Wests Ashfield want to fund their own State Cup team without WT backing, that is their prerogative, but they shouldn't then whinge when WT don't provide them with any players. Balmain wish to have a joint State Cup to lower their own costs, and further the success of the joint venture, and Wests aren't interested. If Wests are the sole NSW Cup side, then don't be surprised to see Balmain running around in the NRL - that's only fair

 

[matty119]

Just doing some quick numbers based off 2010 annual reports:

Balmain Leagues:
- $932,000 donation to Balmain Football Club
Wests Ashfield:
- $600,000 donation to Western Suburbs District RL
- $150,000 donation to Wests Tigers
Wests Campbelltown
- no direct donation but as an investor in the Wests Group has a maximum liability to Wests Tigers of $500,000
- there are donations to the local junior football competition. Not sure of amount.

This implies to me that $150,000 of the $932,000 donation from Balmain Leagues went to Wests Tigers. $782,000 combined with Ryde-Eastwood to form the BRET State Cup team and pay for juniors.

How expensive is a state cup side? Why would we need Ryde? Surely if the State cup side is funded through Wests Tigers, the two leagues would not exceed their total liability cap to Wests Tigers of $1m?

I'd say that there would actually be a $500,000 donation by Balmain Football Club to Wests Tigers, as Balmain owns 50% of the joint venture, and Wests Ashfield, Campbelltown and the Wests Magpies Football Club own the other 50%. So Balmain have no where near that simply for State Cup.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I can't see how that would be fair.

Balmain and the Wests Group cover costs not covered by all the revenue streams of Wests Tigers. If there is a shortfall, it should be halved between the two partners.

The $782,000 would not just be for the state cup team. It also includes juniors.

 

[magpie_mania]

You said balmain leagues not balmain football club. There is a differance. I said balmain leagues does is not a stakeholder in wt. Balmain football club is the stakeholder in wt.
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Ok, where do you think Balmain Football club gets its money from???

And if you're going to get that technical, Wests Ashfield itself is not a **share**holder (stakeholders and shareholders are different things) in the joint venture, neither is Campbelltown or the Football club. The **share**holders in the organisation is the Balmain Football Club and the Wests Group, which is a combination of the two leagues clubs and football club. As a result, they are not a direct shareholder of the company, rather a portion of a shareholder.Trust me, I understand the system probably better than anyone on here.

If Wests Ashfield want to fund their own State Cup team without WT backing, that is their prerogative, but they shouldn't then whinge when WT don't provide them with any players. Balmain wish to have a joint State Cup to lower their own costs, and further the success of the joint venture, and Wests aren't interested. If Wests are the sole NSW Cup side, then don't be surprised to see Balmain running around in the NRL - that's only fair

but whos the shareholder in wests group :crazy :crazy its like saying barack obama doesnt run the u.s the president does.

 

[Yossarian]

Same goes for balmain in 1999\. BRET is happy to revert to a wt nsw cup team as it eliviates their funding situation and they dont lose their tigers brand or oppurtunity to play at leichhardt. Magpies resisted a wt nsw cup side to keep the wests/magpies brand alive and ensure the junior base of campbeltown is not abandoned.
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Call the team Balmain Magpies then everyone is covered. Seriously…

 

[wtfl1981]

If the NRL criteria was applied in 2011 and it was down to wests and balmain… Then who would come out as a stand alone side? It wouldnt be balmain with no money and limited junior base.
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[system]

If the NRL criteria was applied in 2011 and it was down to wests and balmain… Then who would come out as a stand alone side? It wouldnt be balmain with no money and limited junior base.
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If the NRl criteria were applied neither have the corporate support, facilities or crowd numbers to be acceptable. They would bring in the Reds in Perth angain

The Wests Tigers on the other hand do

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

If the NRL criteria was applied in 2011 and it was down to wests and balmain… Then who would come out as a stand alone side? It wouldnt be balmain with no money and limited junior base.
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If the NRl criteria were applied neither have the corporate support, facilities or crowd numbers to be acceptable. They would bring in the Reds in Perth angain

The Wests Tigers on the other hand do

That would be correct.

In addition Canterbury would achieve their goal from Super League and become the premier club of south west Sydney taking over the Campbelltown/Liverpool area.

 

[Yossarian]

Don't let the facts get in the way of the constant spamming and trolling from the Magpies conspiracy theorist brigades… Facts and reality are not a basis for discussion...

 

[magpie_mania]

Don't let the facts get in the way of the constant spamming and trolling from the Magpies conspiracy theorist brigades… Facts and reality are not a basis for discussion...

hmm as usual when the facts dont back you up you just go off on a namecalling tangent.How come I think you do a lot of this in your life "YOSSARIAN".While we try to have an intelligent discussion on this thread you continue to try and "HIJACK" this thread with immature outlandish comments.Grow up youre a big boy now.

 

[Yossarian]

Don't let the facts get in the way of the constant spamming and trolling from the Magpies conspiracy theorist brigades… Facts and reality are not a basis for discussion...

hmm as usual when the facts dont back you up you just go off on a namecalling tangent.How come I think you do a lot of this in your life "YOSSARIAN".While we try to have an intelligent discussion on this thread you continue to try and "HIJACK" this thread with immature outlandish comments.Grow up youre a big boy now.

Exactly where have I hijacked the thread? It's supposed to be about state cup for next year but people keep rabbiting on about juniors and league's clubs. I've been quite prepared to discuss the concept of a single state cup team but all I see is posts suggesting the Magpies are more deserving than Balmain.
I'm more than happy to participate in a logical discussion with you and anyone else who puts up legitimate arguments and doesn't resort to sledging the Balmain side for not having a leagues club, not financially contributing to the WT sufficiently, or not providing enough juniors.

Anyway I'm not interested in your little name calling exercises or petty debates so I'll summarise my position:

1\. There is no Balmain or Wests at the NRL level. Wests aren't going to force Balmain out, Balmain aren't going to force Wests Magpies out. Comparing relative junior sizes/contributions or leagues club square metres doesn't change that.
2\. The level of control over WT is not influenced by the above matters. It is and will continue to be a 50/50 split. Just because you (allegedly) generate more revenue from your pokies doesn't change this.
3\. Both the BRLFC and the Magpies football clubs should be making decisions based on what is most beneficial to the Wests Tigers. Personally I think only Balmain is doing this with any regularity on this issue.

If you identify as one of the trollers/spammers, well that's your issue. Like I said, I'm happy to discuss the issue of feeder teams with anyone willing to do so without the anti-Balmain taunting.

 

[system]

Simple rule is that if any of you feel the need to keep posting insults the way it has been done than you will shortly find your posting rights in jeopardy.

Feel free to continue the discussion circle going nowhere but be civil because nobody else needs to read your petty and childish sniping

 

[magpie_mania]

Don't let the facts get in the way of the constant spamming and trolling from the Magpies conspiracy theorist brigades… Facts and reality are not a basis for discussion...

hmm as usual when the facts dont back you up you just go off on a namecalling tangent.How come I think you do a lot of this in your life "YOSSARIAN".While we try to have an intelligent discussion on this thread you continue to try and "HIJACK" this thread with immature outlandish comments.Grow up youre a big boy now.

Exactly where have I hijacked the thread? It's supposed to be about state cup for next year but people keep rabbiting on about juniors and league's clubs. I've been quite prepared to discuss the concept of a single state cup team but all I see is posts suggesting the Magpies are more deserving than Balmain.
I'm more than happy to participate in a logical discussion with you and anyone else who puts up legitimate arguments and doesn't resort to sledging the Balmain side for not having a leagues club, not financially contributing to the WT sufficiently, or not providing enough juniors.

Anyway I'm not interested in your little name calling exercises or petty debates so I'll summarise my position:

1\. There is no Balmain or Wests at the NRL level. Wests aren't going to force Balmain out, Balmain aren't going to force Wests Magpies out. Comparing relative junior sizes/contributions or leagues club square metres doesn't change that.
2\. The level of control over WT is not influenced by the above matters. It is and will continue to be a 50/50 split. Just because you (allegedly) generate more revenue from your pokies doesn't change this.
3\. Both the BRLFC and the Magpies football clubs should be making decisions based on what is most beneficial to the Wests Tigers. Personally I think only Balmain is doing this with any regularity on this issue.

If you identify as one of the trollers/spammers, well that's your issue. Like I said, I'm happy to discuss the issue of feeder teams with anyone willing to do so without the anti-Balmain taunting.

Thankyou for confirming my previous post.

 

[tigerdan]

There are no wests, we are just Balmain with a magpie on the sleeve.

 

[Guest]

This thread is one click away from being closed. Numerous warnings have been issued throughout this thread for people to remain on topic and quit the Wests V Balmain crap. My patience is not unlimited and the next trolling post will result in the demise of this thread.

 

[alien]

i make a post or 2 and everything goes to hell :laughing:

dont shoot the messenger :wink: