What needs to change in 2011 to win the big one

[everett]

Just a few ideas to improve the mightly Wests Tigers in 2011 so we can win the Grand Final

Mitch Brown to start to full back and to learn off McKinnon about chiming into the backline. Need to build up a combination with Farah and Marshall and Moltzen.

Ayshford to be used between backs and forwards. Daniella takes his centre spot when he plays in the forwards.

Ayshford to learn to pass the ball. Does need a decent winger outside him.

Moltzen to start at Half back and Lui as back up. Wouldn't mind Lui playing 5/8 and Marshall to the centres to mix things up.

Like to see Farah spend time on the bench to give him a breather. Fulton to take on the hooking role when he is rested. At times Farah looked tired and came up with wrong options.

Like to see Heighington and Ellis given time on the bench to give them a breather so they can both be managed through a long tough season.

Like to see Sheens in some games start with Fifita, Dwyer, Moors, Murdoch in the starting line up to gain more match fitness and be ready incase injuries occur. This would give Payten, Gibbs and Galloway some rest time.

In certain games would like Sheens to rest players so fringe players like Meaney, Davis, Latu, Pritchard etc get a chance to prove themselves in the top grade. Also allows our top players to recharge their batteries.

Like Sheens to use the whole bench and not have someone sit there to play 5 minutes near the end. Daniella would be my 17th man and can be used to run at tired forwards and spend some time in the backline whilst Ashyford goes to lock.

Need to hire someone like Andrew Johns to improve our short kicking game.

Ryan to go back to State Cup. Not up to NRL standard.

People's thoughts

 

[T-REXX]

you dont want to know what my thoughts are sorry

i think half of those suggestions makes for no rhythm

I like Daniella, but he is going to find it tough getting game time next year

Moltzen, Lui and then Marshall, not a good combo.. all 3 are not the best defenders. Your asking for holes everywhere.. Marshall plays 5/8 so why move him, Lui played awsome at Half so why move him.. (unless he is sacked)

you dont just give forwards time off to let others have a bit of game time.. ur asking for trouble

Fafita needs to work on Lateral Defence, Moors needs consistent game time and Murdoch is only 19 or so so there is plenty of time

you dont go making changes like the ones u have stated unless there is a real problem.. a real problem is something we dont have.. we got Tui and Moltz returning…. we got players galore to choose from

 

[magpiecol]

Agree re Farah. Needs a rest big time. Corby is a good replacement and would not let us down. Lui does not look like he will be part of our plans next year. Time will tell. If he is then Moltzen, Lui and Marshall would be lethal in the backline.

Brown has played ok since being given the chance, however, is not a very good attacking fullback. Mckinnon and (my preference) Mullaney to the fullback role. Meaney, Pritchard, Davis, Tagive, Latu, Woods etc. etc. should be given time in first grade to get them used to the different pace of the game.

Kicking practice is needed by a number of players before next year. We need to be able to get line dropouts far more often that we do at the present time.

I do not think that we need anymore forwards. Woods, Townsend, Groat, Murdoch, Fafita x 2, Akipira, maybe Mr. T and a couple of the props from the Western Suburbs side should keep us going for a while.

I think that we should look at an experienced pommy halfback. They are usually quick, cunning, tough and generally have a good kicking game.

I also hope that Folkes becomes our assistant coach. He has been invaluable this year. And Sheens must rotate, rotate and rotate his players. Especially Farah.

PS. If we can go through next year without Shayne Hayne we will be ok.

 

[T-REXX]

Agree re Farah. Needs a rest big time. Corby is a good replacement and would not let us down. Lui does not look like he will be part of our plans next year. Time will tell. If he is then Moltzen, Lui and Marshall would be lethal in the backline.

Brown has played ok since being given the chance, however, is not a very good attacking fullback. Mckinnon and (my preference) Mullaney to the fullback role. Meaney, Pritchard, Davis, Tagive, Latu, Woods etc. etc. should be given time in first grade to get them used to the different pace of the game.

Kicking practice is needed by a number of players before next year. We need to be able to get line dropouts far more often that we do at the present time.

I do not think that we need anymore forwards. Woods, Townsend, Groat, Murdoch, Fafita x 2, Akipira, maybe Mr. T and a couple of the props from the Western Suburbs side should keep us going for a while.

I think that we should look at an experienced pommy halfback. They are usually quick, cunning, tough and generally have a good kicking game.

I also hope that Folkes becomes our assistant coach. He has been invaluable this year. And Sheens must rotate, rotate and rotate his players. Especially Farah.

PS. If we can go through next year without Shayne Hayne we will be ok.

Why do we need ot look for a pommy half back? We got two bloody good ones here right now.
We dont just give players time cause the fans think they will do a good job. They need to earn it.
Every other hooker in the game plays 80min.. Why should Farah have less game time.. He isnt struggling with Injuries (ongoing)

 

[T-REXX]

You base the team around the core players, and the ones that we had in the last two games is pretty much it.
only significant ones that were missing is Tuiaki, Moltz and Payten..

Others like the Moors and Mulleney etc need to bide their time untill either needed OR out playing the poitions that are currently in 1st grade. You start changing the dynamics of the team and we will be back to square one.

 

[hadds75]

On what you wrote

1) Mitch Brown in the side yeah. Needs to definetly learn on scoping around the ruck more.
2) I agree on Ayshford (But i think im the minority). I think Ayshford would be a good 17 for us. As if we had ayshford there he could play anywhere and it means we wouldnt have to waste a number 17 spot.
3) Daniella to centre has alot of merit. He adds a lot of pace to the backs. Marshall and Farah creates alot of room for our outside backs. Everytime they do on the ayshford ryan side nothing happens. If we had a good cetnre hitting it a bit harder I think itd be better.
4) Cant agree on moving Marshall to 3 or 4\. On the 7 alot will come to trial form but I think if Lui is still at the club he probably starts just cause he got to the finals. I do however believe Moltzen is a better 7.
5) More bench rotation I also agree on. Just because someone can play 80 minutes doesnt mean they are 80 minute players. Someone like Heighno in particular I think isnt offering much later in the game. Id much rather see him take a 15 minute spell somewhere and even a small 5 minute spell for Ellis (but not long). I think when you have too many forwards on for too long (especially as ours arent that big), after a while if there a bit tired they just get run over the top of, and while they have a lot of heart other teams are just making that many more metres than us.
6) No need to start players i don think unless there in the best 13\. But definetly more game time for Fifita. If he doesnt get game time next year he will leave.
7) No need to rest players unless they severly need it.
8) Definetly need to use the bench more. I honestly think thats a reason we didnt go further this year. Playing games with really 15 on 17 at the end.
9) Ryan to go, agreed.

Additional.

Itd be nice to work on our kicking game, as well as goalkicking if possible. Id love one more rampaging forward who can just get us a few more metres as well.

 

[izotope]

plenty of clubs sub their hooker.. farah is our captain though.

 

[hadds75]

plenty of clubs sub their hooker.. farah is our captain though.

I dont think the captaincy is a huge worry.

The one thing with Farah this year is i dont think we got as many metres out of him as we did in the past. Maybe im alone on that but I felt he used to run the ball a bit more. A ten minute rest from 50-60 mark would probably heavily freshen him up for that last 20, where he should effectively be the most dangerous player on the field

 

[steve-o]

i think farah should stay on for the full 80 coz thered be too much pressure on benji if he went off. those two thrive on each other and u saw how farah struggled when benji went off at the end of the roosters game. i think benji would struggle even more if farah went off for 10 mins.

i agree with giving heightington a rest though. itd freshen him up meaning hed make less handling errors/missed tackles. when hes off put either fulton or payten into lock

 

[benjibrotown]

On what you wrote

1) Mitch Brown in the side yeah. Needs to definetly learn on scoping around the ruck more.
2) I agree on Ayshford (But i think im the minority). I think Ayshford would be a good 17 for us. As if we had ayshford there he could play anywhere and it means we wouldnt have to waste a number 17 spot.
3) Daniella to centre has alot of merit. He adds a lot of pace to the backs. Marshall and Farah creates alot of room for our outside backs. Everytime they do on the ayshford ryan side nothing happens. If we had a good cetnre hitting it a bit harder I think itd be better.
4) Cant agree on moving Marshall to 3 or 4\. On the 7 alot will come to trial form but I think if Lui is still at the club he probably starts just cause he got to the finals. I do however believe Moltzen is a better 7.
5) More bench rotation I also agree on. Just because someone can play 80 minutes doesnt mean they are 80 minute players. Someone like Heighno in particular I think isnt offering much later in the game. Id much rather see him take a 15 minute spell somewhere and even a small 5 minute spell for Ellis (but not long). I think when you have too many forwards on for too long (especially as ours arent that big), after a while if there a bit tired they just get run over the top of, and while they have a lot of heart other teams are just making that many more metres than us.
6) No need to start players i don think unless there in the best 13\. But definetly more game time for Fifita. If he doesnt get game time next year he will leave.
7) No need to rest players unless they severly need it.
8) Definetly need to use the bench more. I honestly think thats a reason we didnt go further this year. Playing games with really 15 on 17 at the end.
9) Ryan to go, agreed.

Additional.

Itd be nice to work on our kicking game, as well as goalkicking if possible. Id love one more rampaging forward who can just get us a few more metres as well.

You shouldve written this thread, agree with just about all that you said.

 

[magpiecol]

Agree re Farah. Needs a rest big time. Corby is a good replacement and would not let us down. Lui does not look like he will be part of our plans next year. Time will tell. If he is then Moltzen, Lui and Marshall would be lethal in the backline.

Brown has played ok since being given the chance, however, is not a very good attacking fullback. Mckinnon and (my preference) Mullaney to the fullback role. Meaney, Pritchard, Davis, Tagive, Latu, Woods etc. etc. should be given time in first grade to get them used to the different pace of the game.

Kicking practice is needed by a number of players before next year. We need to be able to get line dropouts far more often that we do at the present time.

I do not think that we need anymore forwards. Woods, Townsend, Groat, Murdoch, Fafita x 2, Akipira, maybe Mr. T and a couple of the props from the Western Suburbs side should keep us going for a while.

I think that we should look at an experienced pommy halfback. They are usually quick, cunning, tough and generally have a good kicking game.

I also hope that Folkes becomes our assistant coach. He has been invaluable this year. And Sheens must rotate, rotate and rotate his players. Especially Farah.

PS. If we can go through next year without Shayne Hayne we will be ok.

Why do we need ot look for a pommy half back? We got two bloody good ones here right now.
We dont just give players time cause the fans think they will do a good job. They need to earn it.
Every other hooker in the game plays 80min.. Why should Farah have less game time.. He isnt struggling with Injuries (ongoing)

If you could not see that Farah was struggling near the end of the season then you are not watching the game. A lot of people on this forum also stated that we did not need a pommy forward (Ellis). How did that work out????

You talk about time for the young ones to come through. I am talking about next year.

Lui (if he is still here) and Moltzen are both 5/8's.

I have been watching football for a long time and I can tell you that half backs are born not made.

Another Tommy Bishop would not go astray.

 

[Spartan117]

plenty of clubs sub their hooker.. farah is our captain though.

I dont think the captaincy is a huge worry.

The one thing with Farah this year is i dont think we got as many metres out of him as we did in the past. Maybe im alone on that but I felt he used to run the ball a bit more. A ten minute rest from 50-60 mark would probably heavily freshen him up for that last 20, where he should effectively be the most dangerous player on the field

Dream team stats say otherwise - His Tackles and metres etc are up there and his a top 5 player.

Sometimes captains go off for a spell. Just have a Deputy, Benji or Payten.

 

[Blake93]

you dont want to know what my thoughts are sorry

i think half of those suggestions makes for no rhythm

I like Daniella, but he is going to find it tough getting game time next year

Moltzen, Lui and then Marshall, not a good combo.. all 3 are not the best defenders. Your asking for holes everywhere.. Marshall plays 5/8 so why move him, **Lui played awsome at Half so why move him..** (unless he is sacked)

you dont just give forwards time off to let others have a bit of game time.. ur asking for trouble

Fafita needs to work on Lateral Defence, Moors needs consistent game time and Murdoch is only 19 or so so there is plenty of time

you dont go making changes like the ones u have stated unless there is a real problem.. a real problem is something we dont have.. we got Tui and Moltz returning…. we got players galore to choose from

That's a bit of an overstatement. I don't think he had an 'awesome' game all year. He had a few good games towards the end of the year but for me he wasn't a star in any single game. Disregarding the allegations, moltzen is still my #7.

 

[magpie_mania]

plenty of clubs sub their hooker.. Farah is our captain though.

i dont think the captaincy is a huge worry.

The one thing with farah this year is i dont think we got as many metres out of him as we did in the past. Maybe im alone on that but i felt he used to run the ball a bit more. A ten minute rest from 50-60 mark would probably heavily freshen him up for that last 20, where he should effectively be the most dangerous player on the field

put simply because the refs this year stopped penalising off side markers it costs wests a premiership as robbie was rendered jseless at his most effective trade.

 

[Geo]

Pick up all the tennis balls at training before you do sprint work…

 

[magpie_mania]

just a few ideas to improve the mightly wests tigers in 2011 so we can win the grand final

mitch brown to start to full back and to learn off mckinnon about chiming into the backline. Need to build up a combination with farah and marshall and moltzen.

Ayshford to be used between backs and forwards. Daniella takes his centre spot when he plays in the forwards.

Ayshford to learn to pass the ball. Does need a decent winger outside him.

Moltzen to start at half back and lui as back up. Wouldn't mind lui playing 5/8 and marshall to the centres to mix things up.

Like to see farah spend time on the bench to give him a breather. Fulton to take on the hooking role when he is rested. At times farah looked tired and came up with wrong options.

Like to see heighington and ellis given time on the bench to give them a breather so they can both be managed through a long tough season.

Like to see sheens in some games start with fifita, dwyer, moors, murdoch in the starting line up to gain more match fitness and be ready incase injuries occur. This would give payten, gibbs and galloway some rest time.

In certain games would like sheens to rest players so fringe players like meaney, davis, latu, pritchard etc get a chance to prove themselves in the top grade. Also allows our top players to recharge their batteries.

Like sheens to use the whole bench and not have someone sit there to play 5 minutes near the end. Daniella would be my 17th man and can be used to run at tired forwards and spend some time in the backline whilst ashyford goes to lock.

Need to hire someone like andrew johns to improve our short kicking game.

Ryan to go back to state cup. Not up to nrl standard.

People's thoughts

i love the idea of resting players i think it would work wonders over a long season and we certainnly have depth next year.and it keeps positions competitive to win a comp you need momentum come finals time so frsher legws would be a great thing in addition i dont see us being too affected by origin which is wrong but good for our team.and we need a team of 17 each week not one back who doesnt play on the bench.farah getting a ten minute break each game could be a good thing.

 

[fainty]

I dont like the idea of moving Ashford…although i do think he will end up in the back row later in his career. Correct me if im wrong but will this be his 1st pre season injury free? If he keeps developing I can see representative centre all over him!

 

[supercoach]

They just have to build on what they achieved this year and thats week in and week out consistency. They have to be ruthless in their approach to the game similar to the dragons. In 2010 they cut out so many silly options that helped them in the close games but really in the final series it was the silly options that let them down, it all comes down to experience and with a little luck they should be a really hard nosed team come 2011 with that added x factor that most teams dont have. The salary cap will restrict their buying power and really I dont see the need to buy anyone. I think except for a couple of selections and maybe the use of the bench in a few games Sheens got it right so why change things

 

[tigeress]

The Tigers just have to capitalise on the great work they achieved this season. They do not need to buy any new players, just keep the ones they have, and bring through some of the terrific talent that's available in the lower grades. Next season should be a beauty :righton:

 

[LARDS]

Nothing needs to change.
Our young blokes will be better for the experience.
Hopefully we'll have less injuries and with Moltzen and ,hopefully Tuiaki, coming back we'll have the side to take the big one.