What the tigers need to fix to make the finals

Bk210

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I've been watching the tigers since 2009 and seen the team play throughout the years (Benji Marshall/Robbie Farah era, the "big 4" and all the dramas involving the coaches such as J.Taylor/Cleary). Here's what I have to say about the modern game Wests Tigers' struggles.

1. Our attack doesn't threaten the opposition. In most games, our plays in the opposition half hasn't led to points. For the most part, we either have to rely on our kicks or the other teams mistakes, which isn't a good look for a team trying to make the top 8. In comparison from today's game, when you watch the Eels play you can see most of their tries are from the players (e.g Sivo) running over the line comfortably. They are also very threatening when playing in their own 40 even - every play there's players sprinting, the players have support and they are looking dangerous when they carry the ball which makes our defence nervous. We need to improve on this aspect otherwise it's game over by half-time when the opposition scores 3 tries.

2. Momentum - we always collapse when for example, a referee decision goes against us. Fair enough most if not all the calls went against us this game with the soft penalties, however a good team such as the storm/roosters are still able to maintain control and bring the 2 points home at the end of the game. They do this by defending well, holding onto the ball and making little to no errors. Today it looked like we conceded two tries in a matter of seconds when we were down to 12 men, and from that moment on our defence seemed to have become worse (which brings me to my next point.. defence).

3. Besides the rare one or two games a year, our defence isn't that great. Look at the tries we've conceded this game, the Eels were walking all over us this game. To make things worse, when we got a player in the bin, all hope is lost and any team that has decent players are able to easily score a couple tries against us. Until our defence improves, we won't make the top 8, and if we do we will just be making up the numbers finishing 7th/8th. If players play in line with each other and have a stronger structure defensively, the other team won't get over the line as easily. I've also lost count on how many times our players on the right/left went for the intercept (and knocked on) because we are short on that side and are unable to handle the opposition one on one.

Other notes:
- Control of the game - we've seen this today, the Eels dominated in possession and for the most part the game was played on our own half. It's hard to score points when you're always stuck in your own half trying to get out of trouble.
- Whenever our players make a tackle, we can't seem to push the opposition back. Quality teams (such as the 2014 Rabbitohs in the GF) are very good at this and makes the opposition's attack a lot more nervous when they are near their own goal line.
- Our team's goalkicking, which we still haven't mastered imo.
- Our 40/20 kicks needs improvement. Adam Reynolds single handedly nearly won the preliminary finals game against the panthers last year.
- We've raised many superstars however a champion team will always beat a team of champions. Likewise players such asTtedesco will not always stick around unfortunately and we risk losing talent to other competitive clubs.

We always get demolished whenever we play teams like the eels (just like the 2016-2019 Raiders). We lost like 7 in a row and most of them seems like 40 or 50-0 (further highlighting our terrible attack and defence). I might as well skip watching the games against Eels and hope that the opposition the following week is kinder to us.. (It only gets tougher from here).

Sorry for the long post this is my first official post in these forums after lurking around for a long time.
 
That's a lot of writing that I can sum up in a simple statement...

At this point we do not have the cattle...

Talau, Jet, AJ? Cmon now...

Got some good incomings next year.
Hopefully a few more good recruits and some promotions for deserving players within.

👑💯
 
@bk210 said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388060) said:
I've been watching the tigers since 2009 and seen the team play throughout the years (Benji Marshall/Robbie Farah era, the "big 4" and all the dramas involving the coaches such as J.Taylor/Cleary). Here's what I have to say about the modern game Wests Tigers' struggles.

1. Our attack doesn't threaten the opposition. In most games, our plays in the opposition half hasn't led to points. For the most part, we either have to rely on our kicks or the other teams mistakes, which isn't a good look for a team trying to make the top 8. In comparison from today's game, when you watch the Eels play you can see most of their tries are from the players (e.g Sivo) running over the line comfortably. They are also very threatening when playing in their own 40 even - every play there's players sprinting, the players have support and they are looking dangerous when they carry the ball which makes our defence nervous. We need to improve on this aspect otherwise it's game over by half-time when the opposition scores 3 tries.

2. Momentum - we always collapse when for example, a referee decision goes against us. Fair enough most if not all the calls went against us this game with the soft penalties, however a good team such as the storm/roosters are still able to maintain control and bring the 2 points home at the end of the game. They do this by defending well, holding onto the ball and making little to no errors. Today it looked like we conceded two tries in a matter of seconds when we were down to 12 men, and from that moment on our defence seemed to have become worse (which brings me to my next point.. defence).

3. Besides the rare one or two games a year, our defence isn't that great. Look at the tries we've conceded this game, the Eels were walking all over us this game. To make things worse, when we got a player in the bin, all hope is lost and any team that has decent players are able to easily score a couple tries against us. Until our defence improves, we won't make the top 8, and if we do we will just be making up the numbers finishing 7th/8th. If players play in line with each other and have a stronger structure defensively, the other team won't get over the line as easily. I've also lost count on how many times our players on the right/left went for the intercept (and knocked on) because we are short on that side and are unable to handle the opposition one on one.

Other notes:
- Control of the game - we've seen this today, the Eels dominated in possession and for the most part the game was played on our own half. It's hard to score points when you're always stuck in your own half trying to get out of trouble.
- Whenever our players make a tackle, we can't seem to push the opposition back. Quality teams (such as the 2014 Rabbitohs in the GF) are very good at this and makes the opposition's attack a lot more nervous when they are near their own goal line.
- Our team's goalkicking, which we still haven't mastered imo.
- Our 40/20 kicks needs improvement. Adam Reynolds single handedly nearly won the preliminary finals game against the panthers last year.
- We've raised may superstars however a champion team will always beat a team of champions. Likewise players such as tedesco will not always stick around unfortunately and we risk losing talent to other competitive clubs.

We always get demolished whenever we play teams like the eels (just like the 2016-2019 Raiders). We lost like 7 in a row and most of them seems like 40 or 50-0 (further highlighting our terrible attack and defence). I might as well skip watching the games against Eels and hope that the opposition the following weak is kinder to us.. (It only gets tougher from here).

Sorry for the long post this is my first official post in these forums after lurking around for a long time.

good post...spot on
 
The whole problem with this team is 6/7/3/4 ..the forwards are not the problem ,the only player that would be there would be Brooks as for AD he is nowhere near good enough to hold one of those spots ..sorry if this aggrieves some but honesty has to start somewhere.
Fill these 3 spots with top line players you have a top 6 side Imo.
 
Our recruitment over next 8 months will either make or break us.
In short term we can’t expect anything too much from our younger brigade …. They are still at least about season and a half away from producing what we need locally.
So we need to be ruthless as far as our end season assessments of players performance. Sheens will help with that I’m sure. No more second or third chances for non performers.
We definitely need experienced mongrel in second row and creativity in ball playing lock forward positions.
Hastings and Brooks lock into the halves and the fact that some of our younger forwards have a season of experience in the bank will/ should help.
That’s my assessment anyway.
 
@bk210 said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388060) said:
I've been watching the tigers since 2009 and seen the team play throughout the years (Benji Marshall/Robbie Farah era, the "big 4" and all the dramas involving the coaches such as J.Taylor/Cleary). Here's what I have to say about the modern game Wests Tigers' struggles.

1. Our attack doesn't threaten the opposition. In most games, our plays in the opposition half hasn't led to points. For the most part, we either have to rely on our kicks or the other teams mistakes, which isn't a good look for a team trying to make the top 8. In comparison from today's game, when you watch the Eels play you can see most of their tries are from the players (e.g Sivo) running over the line comfortably. They are also very threatening when playing in their own 40 even - every play there's players sprinting, the players have support and they are looking dangerous when they carry the ball which makes our defence nervous. We need to improve on this aspect otherwise it's game over by half-time when the opposition scores 3 tries.

2. Momentum - we always collapse when for example, a referee decision goes against us. Fair enough most if not all the calls went against us this game with the soft penalties, however a good team such as the storm/roosters are still able to maintain control and bring the 2 points home at the end of the game. They do this by defending well, holding onto the ball and making little to no errors. Today it looked like we conceded two tries in a matter of seconds when we were down to 12 men, and from that moment on our defence seemed to have become worse (which brings me to my next point.. defence).

3. Besides the rare one or two games a year, our defence isn't that great. Look at the tries we've conceded this game, the Eels were walking all over us this game. To make things worse, when we got a player in the bin, all hope is lost and any team that has decent players are able to easily score a couple tries against us. Until our defence improves, we won't make the top 8, and if we do we will just be making up the numbers finishing 7th/8th. If players play in line with each other and have a stronger structure defensively, the other team won't get over the line as easily. I've also lost count on how many times our players on the right/left went for the intercept (and knocked on) because we are short on that side and are unable to handle the opposition one on one.

Other notes:
- Control of the game - we've seen this today, the Eels dominated in possession and for the most part the game was played on our own half. It's hard to score points when you're always stuck in your own half trying to get out of trouble.
- Whenever our players make a tackle, we can't seem to push the opposition back. Quality teams (such as the 2014 Rabbitohs in the GF) are very good at this and makes the opposition's attack a lot more nervous when they are near their own goal line.
- Our team's goalkicking, which we still haven't mastered imo.
- Our 40/20 kicks needs improvement. Adam Reynolds single handedly nearly won the preliminary finals game against the panthers last year.
- We've raised may superstars however a champion team will always beat a team of champions. Likewise players such as tedesco will not always stick around unfortunately and we risk losing talent to other competitive clubs.

We always get demolished whenever we play teams like the eels (just like the 2016-2019 Raiders). We lost like 7 in a row and most of them seems like 40 or 50-0 (further highlighting our terrible attack and defence). I might as well skip watching the games against Eels and hope that the opposition the following weak is kinder to us.. (It only gets tougher from here).

Sorry for the long post this is my first official post in these forums after lurking around for a long time.
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@momo_amp_medo said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388161) said:
Our recruitment over next 8 months will either make or break us.
In short term we can’t expect anything too much from our younger brigade …. They are still at least about season and a half away from producing what we need locally.
So we need to be ruthless as far as our end season assessments of players performance. Sheens will help with that I’m sure. No more second or third chances for non performers.
We definitely need experienced mongrel in second row and creativity in ball playing lock forward positions.
Hastings and Brooks lock into the halves and the fact that some of our younger forwards have a season of experience in the bank will/ should help.
That’s my assessment anyway.

Please. Sheens got rid of Fifita, Gibbs, Heighington and others for Blair and Groat. I would be disregarding any of his assessments
 
@harvey said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388864) said:
@momo_amp_medo said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388161) said:
Our recruitment over next 8 months will either make or break us.
In short term we can’t expect anything too much from our younger brigade …. They are still at least about season and a half away from producing what we need locally.
So we need to be ruthless as far as our end season assessments of players performance. Sheens will help with that I’m sure. No more second or third chances for non performers.
We definitely need experienced mongrel in second row and creativity in ball playing lock forward positions.
Hastings and Brooks lock into the halves and the fact that some of our younger forwards have a season of experience in the bank will/ should help.
That’s my assessment anyway.

Please. Sheens got rid of Fifita, Gibbs, Heighington and others for Blair and Groat. I would be disregarding any of his assessments

Matt Groat - made famous for getting KO’ed by Ben Teo.
 
@bk210 said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388060) said:
I've been watching the tigers since 2009 and seen the team play throughout the years (Benji Marshall/Robbie Farah era, the "big 4" and all the dramas involving the coaches such as J.Taylor/Cleary). Here's what I have to say about the modern game Wests Tigers' struggles.

1. Our attack doesn't threaten the opposition. In most games, our plays in the opposition half hasn't led to points. For the most part, we either have to rely on our kicks or the other teams mistakes, which isn't a good look for a team trying to make the top 8. In comparison from today's game, when you watch the Eels play you can see most of their tries are from the players (e.g Sivo) running over the line comfortably. They are also very threatening when playing in their own 40 even - every play there's players sprinting, the players have support and they are looking dangerous when they carry the ball which makes our defence nervous. We need to improve on this aspect otherwise it's game over by half-time when the opposition scores 3 tries.

2. Momentum - we always collapse when for example, a referee decision goes against us. Fair enough most if not all the calls went against us this game with the soft penalties, however a good team such as the storm/roosters are still able to maintain control and bring the 2 points home at the end of the game. They do this by defending well, holding onto the ball and making little to no errors. Today it looked like we conceded two tries in a matter of seconds when we were down to 12 men, and from that moment on our defence seemed to have become worse (which brings me to my next point.. defence).

3. Besides the rare one or two games a year, our defence isn't that great. Look at the tries we've conceded this game, the Eels were walking all over us this game. To make things worse, when we got a player in the bin, all hope is lost and any team that has decent players are able to easily score a couple tries against us. Until our defence improves, we won't make the top 8, and if we do we will just be making up the numbers finishing 7th/8th. If players play in line with each other and have a stronger structure defensively, the other team won't get over the line as easily. I've also lost count on how many times our players on the right/left went for the intercept (and knocked on) because we are short on that side and are unable to handle the opposition one on one.

Other notes:
- Control of the game - we've seen this today, the Eels dominated in possession and for the most part the game was played on our own half. It's hard to score points when you're always stuck in your own half trying to get out of trouble.
- Whenever our players make a tackle, we can't seem to push the opposition back. Quality teams (such as the 2014 Rabbitohs in the GF) are very good at this and makes the opposition's attack a lot more nervous when they are near their own goal line.
- Our team's goalkicking, which we still haven't mastered imo.
- Our 40/20 kicks needs improvement. Adam Reynolds single handedly nearly won the preliminary finals game against the panthers last year.
- We've raised may superstars however a champion team will always beat a team of champions. Likewise players such as tedesco will not always stick around unfortunately and we risk losing talent to other competitive clubs.

We always get demolished whenever we play teams like the eels (just like the 2016-2019 Raiders). We lost like 7 in a row and most of them seems like 40 or 50-0 (further highlighting our terrible attack and defence). I might as well skip watching the games against Eels and hope that the opposition the following weak is kinder to us.. (It only gets tougher from here).

Sorry for the long post this is my first official post in these forums after lurking around for a long time.

Disagree - you only looked at half the problems in the Parra game, which is not a true reflection of either team.
 
@demps said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388086) said:
**That's a lot of writing that I can sum up in a simple statement...**

At this point we do not have the cattle...

Talau, Jet, AJ? Cmon now...

Got some good incomings next year.
Hopefully a few more good recruits and some promotions for deserving players within.

👑💯

The forum is so lucky to have you...
 
@weststigers said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388881) said:
@demps said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388086) said:
**That's a lot of writing that I can sum up in a simple statement...**

At this point we do not have the cattle...

Talau, Jet, AJ? Cmon now...

Got some good incomings next year.
Hopefully a few more good recruits and some promotions for deserving players within.

??

The forum is so lucky to have you...

Lol same to you Mr News Flash
PaScOe sAiD wE aRe sIgNiNg gUtHo
???

Tag me when it's confirmed.
 
@demps said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388885) said:
@weststigers said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388881) said:
@demps said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388086) said:
**That's a lot of writing that I can sum up in a simple statement...**

At this point we do not have the cattle...

Talau, Jet, AJ? Cmon now...

Got some good incomings next year.
Hopefully a few more good recruits and some promotions for deserving players within.

??

The forum is so lucky to have you...

Lol same to you Mr News Flash
PaScOe sAiD wE aRe sIgNiNg gUtHo
???

Tag me when it's confirmed.

Well, really you just shut down the original posters thoughts by changing it to yourself.

If you could tell me, what changes would you make next week? Bring in Ken that’s never played with our team?
 
@demps said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388885) said:
@weststigers said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388881) said:
@demps said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388086) said:
**That's a lot of writing that I can sum up in a simple statement...**

At this point we do not have the cattle...

Talau, Jet, AJ? Cmon now...

Got some good incomings next year.
Hopefully a few more good recruits and some promotions for deserving players within.

??

The forum is so lucky to have you...

Lol same to you Mr News Flash
PaScOe sAiD wE aRe sIgNiNg gUtHo
???

Tag me when it's confirmed.

Haha...what's funny is how butt hurt you get :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

You hijack peoples threads and make a mockery of them, but when someone does it to you, you're fragile little ego gets damaged.

Go and read my post again - I never said we were signing Gutho...I actually said I didn't believe it. Was just sharing 3rd or 4th hand rumour mill info as some on here like to hear it.

Now just stop...you've been banned enough times already don't you think?
 
I agree with a lot of BK 210 said

Biggest issue is still the playing roster

Many of these blokes aren't up to it

Just hoping we use this 2.2 + million gift card well , or we will see more painful years as supporters
 
@happy_tiger said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388896) said:
I agree with a lot of BK 210 said

Biggest issue is still the playing roster

Many of these blokes aren't up to it

Just hoping we use this 2.2 + million gift card well , or we will see more painful years as supporters

I reckon Madge and Hartigan have shown immense patience with our signings so I'm confident we'll spend the money well. We've missed out on a few, but I haven't seen any signings where I've gone "what the hell??".

The other thing is they have given themselves room for error by offering shorter contracts which mitigates the cap damage if a player is a complete flop.
 
@weststigers said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388900) said:
@happy_tiger said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388896) said:
I agree with a lot of BK 210 said

Biggest issue is still the playing roster

Many of these blokes aren't up to it

Just hoping we use this 2.2 + million gift card well , or we will see more painful years as supporters

I reckon Madge and Hartigan have shown immense patience with our signings so I'm confident we'll spend the money well. We've missed out on a few, but I haven't seen any signings where I've gone "what the hell??".

The other thing is they have given themselves room for error by offering shorter contracts which mitigates the cap damage if a player is a complete flop.

I think we need to find some big upsizes ...we have to find a quality back rower ...and Cordner's retirement made it that much harder now
 
@happy_tiger said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388902) said:
@weststigers said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388900) said:
@happy_tiger said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388896) said:
I agree with a lot of BK 210 said

Biggest issue is still the playing roster

Many of these blokes aren't up to it

Just hoping we use this 2.2 + million gift card well , or we will see more painful years as supporters

I reckon Madge and Hartigan have shown immense patience with our signings so I'm confident we'll spend the money well. We've missed out on a few, but I haven't seen any signings where I've gone "what the hell??".

The other thing is they have given themselves room for error by offering shorter contracts which mitigates the cap damage if a player is a complete flop.

I think we need to find some big upsizes ...we have to find a quality back rower ...and Cordner's retirement made it that much harder now

Agree with that...

Can't look at anyone in our team right now and say they are a marquee player. Back row, centre and a five eighth would do nicely.
 
@russell said in [What the tigers need to fix to make the finals](/post/1388876) said:
Disagree - you only looked at half the problems in the Parra game, which is not a true reflection of either team.


That's true, both teams do have problems that the game doesn't fully reflect. It just stood out to me that every time we play them (Eels) they are just a lot more energetic and ready to put 50 on us. Many players in successful clubs also have an identity in the game, i.e "king" gutho (Eels) or the flying fox (Addocarr). I hate to say it but many players that leave our club (Tedesco, Papenhuyzen, Addocarr etc) become more successful while many successful players that come to the tigers become average or are no longer in their prime (Blair, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye, Packer, Jennings, Tamou?). Other successful clubs such as the Storm lose great players such as Slater, Cronk and Smith, yet are still major premiership favourites. I guess there's just that big difference in the club culture.
 
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