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southerntiger

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So there is a lot of criticism of JT on here. Deservedly so given some of the insipid performances this year and last year and I say that as one of his supporters on here.

However, Im interested in what people would change if they were coach. I don't mean team selection. The truth is that picking one guy (JAC for example) ahead of another guy (Rankin) is rarely the difference between winning and losing. So, with you personnel we have, what would you do. You never know, JT might read this forum.

These are the five things I would do:

- have Moses and Brooks play both sides of the ruck. They have always looked best when playing off each other and Im generally not a fan having halves played specified sides of the ruck;

- use the outside-in line far more often when attacking the opposition line. We nearly always score from it when we use. Using it more often will also mean that sides will not be able to slide as easily, which they use to negate Tedesco.

- have Brooks and Moses play for 40/20s more often. We have a unique position that both our halves are two of the better 40/20 exponents in the game but we rarely play for it;

- support the runner better and seek to play second phase more. For some reason we don't seem to use decoys or support players like other teams do. Our hit ups are generally one out with the runner never looking to offload. Now I appreciate that second phase plays can increase the risk of errors (and one thing JT has done is significantly reduce our error rate) but I think you can do it intelligently and at least create some doubt in the opposition defence.

- look to shift early in the tackle count on occasion. Sides are playing very compressed defensive lines against us because they know we never look to shift early in a tackle count. Again, I appreciate this can lead to errors but if executed right, it shouldn't. Now we did this too much in the past but doing It at least couple of times a half will create a less condensed defensive line.

Anyone else have suggestions?
 
Agree with all that, add a few more like

- Quick play the balls to create momentum for the next runner

- Tell the forwards to look for offloads

- Direct Broses with their last tackle options (short and long range)

- Find a goal kicker

- Sign 2-3 big bodies and 1 winger (Daniel Tupou like)

- Love Woddsey but get a new captain, I like ET but he seems abit quiet and shy….. I'd look at Lawrence or Moses
 
I said this in another thread but I think it would help if our halves started taking the line on more often, or at least took the ball to the line more often. I also think we need a couple of forwards passing at the line to help unlock the running games of Brooks and Moses. James Graham, Corey Parker and even Sam Burgess have been doing a bit of that this season and Josh Reynolds, Anthony Milford, Cody Walker and now GI have all looked dangerous when getting the ball at depth off the back of it. They've scored quite a few tries between them. It has been working especially well late in each half - tired outside defenders have been getting caught flat footed by it trying to conserve energy.

I initially thought GI to 5/8 was ridiculous but having watched how he's been used there I think it's a great idea for that team. It has meant that their two most dangerous ball runners in GI and Sam Burgess are playing side by side in the middle. They both attract more than their share of defenders and they both have a good offload in them, meaning they can draw defenders and then link up with the other one. They've also been alternating hit ups to get the defence back-peddling and open up the flanks. Obviously we don't have GI and Burgess at our disposal but watching those two makes me think that we should be looking to attack more up the middle. It shouldn't just be slapping forwards up for field position, we should be looking to break or at least stretch up the middle at times, which probably means getting Teddy chiming in. I know we already use him a lot in attack but it's invariably in the same old sweep plays. I think we need to mix up his involvement more.

To me generally we just look stale and one dimensional in attack. It looks too structured and based around set plays (risky ones too like quick shifts and no look crash balls). I think we need to introduce some unpredictability in our attack to create doubts in the defensive line and then rely on the good natural instincts of our play makers to exploit those doubts.
 
First, as Christian author Robert Schuller pointed out, success is a never-ending process. That means it requires continuous effort to maximize the process. Zig Ziglar shares that we are all born with all the internal workings we need to win. Combining the points from these two wise men, we see that we are born with all the God-given ability to win by engaging our talents in a never-ending process of reaching for our goal to achieve success. But, what does that process look like? If our desire is maximizing our God-given athletic ability, how do we design a process that will give us that result?
Like it or not, athletic success is determined by performance. Therefore, the process for maximizing our God-given athletic ability must positively impact performance. In other words, the process to maximize athletic ability must include the important factors that impact performance. We have identified four key factors in performance and for ease of explanation will express this in equation form where P = Performance.
The first factor impacting performance (P) is fitness (F). Your level of fitness impacts your performance. In evaluating your level of fitness (F), you must take into consideration obvious variables including: conditioning, strength, and flexibility. It also includes physical factors such as height and weight, as well as not so obvious factors like nutrition, health, and the impact of any injuries. Most athletes understand the importance and agree that being fit is a key in performance. If you are not fit, your performance suffers. The factors contributing to fitness (F) also vary in level of importance depending upon the sport you are playing. For example, the importance of your size, weight and strength in your fitness (F) level as an offensive lineman on a football team is different than the importance of your size, weight, and strength fitness (F) needs as a cross country runner. As a result, fitness (F) is important in every sport but the factors that determine fitness (F) vary depending upon the needs of your sport. Accordingly, how you evaluate fitness (F) varies depending upon the needs of your sport.
The next factor impacting performance (P) is effort (E). Full effort gives better results than inconsistent or minimal effort. Understand that your effort is a key factor in performance (P). If you take plays off, dog it, or in any way give less than your full effort, you are not on track to maximize your performance. If you give full effort to every conditioning activity, every drill, every rep, and every play, you raise your level of performance.
The third factor is sport specific skills or S^3\. We all understand there are skills necessary to succeed in each sport. If you are a basketball you need ball handling skills, shooting skills, passing skills, foot skills, defensive skills, etc. The skills also vary depending upon your position. For example, the ball handling skills necessary to succeed if you are a point guard are different than the ball handling skills needed to succeed as a post player.
So far, our performance equation is P = F + E + S^3 where P = performance, F = fitness, and S^3 = sport specific skills. All young athletes focus on improving these variables in the performance equation. They get most if not all of the attention of athletes, parents, and coaches. There is a missing piece. This is why most athletes never reach their full potential. All attention and effort is focused on these important variables impacting performance. However, there is something missing, the missing piece.
The missing piece is the Mental Edge (ME) which consists of the mental and emotional skills that aid athletes in maximizing performance.

Tim Brown

and for me personally - the study of human potential
 
We need to be much more aggressive. Starts this Friday night on a big stage, some of our young forwards can make a statement. Won't happen but wouldn't it be good to be able to say…geez we smashed them last night. Particularly Blair.
 
I agree with all the above points raised.

We also need to make sure our off field facilities like gym can match it will the better teams.

I think once Farah is no longer in our set up and we can locate or develop a quality centre and second rower then we will be in the mix.

We do have some great young talent but need some experienced hard heads in the mix.

My immediate change is to adapt second phase play and play both halves on the same side of the field and allow them to play what is in front of them.
 
1\. The halves have to run the ball a lot more.
2\. The forwards need to offload a lot more.
3\. We need some attacking plays. Some plays around the ruck and out wide. Just some attacking structures to fall back on.
4\. Despite the op stating it's not about the team we need a winger like JAC instead of Rankin. Rankin hasn't been bad but we need a threat on that wing.
5\. A good defensive structure.
6\. The forwards need to get quick play the balls and slow down the oppositions play the ball.
7\. I really rate Simona but he has been terrible to quiet this season. He needs a lot more focus via the coaches.

I really think that ET can make a big difference to our team because he has skill and defensively he is great. It also means we now have a bunch of forwards that can smash it up the middle. We shouldn't get dominated in the ruck.
 
I will say what JT says, they need be tough
And in fact its true.

Grit out 80 mins, complete your sets, defend well.
More importantly anyone wearing our jersey needs to work hard for it and when on field give it their best.

I'm not going to say who should do what, play which style etc

Its the simple things they need to do right, the rest will fall into place itself.

Like ET said, just do the 1% right and the rest takes care of itself.. And I agree
 
@Love the WestsTigers said:
I will say what JT says, they need be tough
And in fact its true.
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It's true but it's not where we are failing. We fail because we execute poorly. I've seen Brooks have an overlap but the ball doesn't go wide. Moses gets the ball in a good position and he might run it but then throws a bad pass or drops it. Simona running it out wide but passing it to the ground.

We need to start executing well because we have a bunch of talent in this team.
 
@stevetiger said:
@Love the WestsTigers said:
I will say what JT says, they need be tough
And in fact its true.

It's true but it's not where we are failing. We fail because we execute poorly. I've seen Brooks have an overlap but the ball doesn't go wide. Moses gets the ball in a good position and he might run it but then throws a bad pass or drops it. Simona running it out wide but passing it to the ground.

We need to start executing well because we have a bunch of talent in this team.
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Personally I don't think they are really putting emphasis on video reviews
They don't seem to be learning and improving in some areas from previous rounds.

Getting to the point on how they play on field, they DONT have a birds eye view of the game, only the better players like Thurston and Co have this trait.
Brook ?? well it may have worked for him in under 20s but this is First Grade.
He hasn't adapted to the transistion that well to stamp his name on it just yet.
 
@stevetiger said:
1\. The halves have to run the ball a lot more.
2\. The forwards need to offload a lot more.
3\. We need some attacking plays. Some plays around the ruck and out wide. Just some attacking structures to fall back on.
4\. Despite the op stating it's not about the team we need a winger like JAC instead of Rankin. Rankin hasn't been bad but we need a threat on that wing.
**5\. A good defensive structure.**
6\. The forwards need to get quick play the balls and slow down the oppositions play the ball.
7\. I really rate Simona but he has been terrible to quiet this season. He needs a lot more focus via the coaches.

I really think that ET can make a big difference to our team because he has skill and defensively he is great. It also means we know have a bunch of forwards that can smash it up the middle. We shouldn't get dominated in the ruck.
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That's the biggest issue for me along with our kicking game. This up and in style, rushing in from the wing/centres really irks me because we always get caught out. All the solid/good defences teams today are playing the sliding defence and we seem to love the rushing in. Don't understand it. Also for me the kicking game. This bomb crap everytime we get the ball is ridiculous. Brooks has a decent long kicking game when he decides to use it properly but regularly goes for the bomb, as per Taylors direction I presume. Find the grass more, put them in the corners. One last thing… let's get some bigger second rowers, someone who can strike fear into an opposition!
 
First and foremost is make some changes defensively. No idea what he's doing behind closed doors to drill the team, but whatever it is, it ain't working.
JT arrived with a defence-first mantra, and yet we're 18th months into his tenure and conceding 26 points a game.

I tend to agree with a lot of what he says in terms of how he wants to play the game, but I don't really see much of that put into effect come the weekend. So there's not much in the way of changes on field (though some of the attacking suggestions in this thread would go down well), and more just changing his methods of communicating or general coaching, as it's not really working at the moment.
 
Quite a few people would prefer this charismatic guy as our captain http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/john-hopoate-charged-with-assaulting-employee-at-crows-nest-supermarket-20160526-gp457h.html :crazy
 
@InBenjiWeTrust said:
Quite a few people would prefer this charismatic guy as our captain http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/john-hopoate-charged-with-assaulting-employee-at-crows-nest-supermarket-20160526-gp457h.html :crazy
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I give him the THUMB'S UP
 
@stevetiger said:
1\. The halves have to run the ball a lot more.
2\. The forwards need to offload a lot more.
3\. We need some attacking plays. Some plays around the ruck and out wide. Just some attacking structures to fall back on.
4\. Despite the op stating it's not about the team we need a winger like JAC instead of Rankin. Rankin hasn't been bad but we need a threat on that wing.
5\. A good defensive structure.
6\. The forwards need to get quick play the balls and slow down the oppositions play the ball.
7\. I really rate Simona but he has been terrible to quiet this season. He needs a lot more focus via the coaches.

I really think that ET can make a big difference to our team because he has skill and defensively he is great. It also means we now have a bunch of forwards that can smash it up the middle. We shouldn't get dominated in the ruck.
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I agree with all that, Woods does a lot of hit ups, but he gets dominated and has a really slow play the ball, Grant and Sue on the other hand have good quick play the balls, giving the halves more time.
Again you are right about off loads, we hardly do any, we need off loads and a quick shift to catch teams out, but we need the speed of Simona and JAC to take advantage, Rankin is to slow to take advantage of breaks and half breaks.
 
The change in 'culture' could happen quicker. And in my opinion there is only one way to do that.

It is in Robbie Farah's hands. Id like to see him gone.

I will say that i have always liked him as a player and he is deserved of every cent on his contract. So im hoping a mutually agreeable solution happens this year. He will be in our greatest player list in my opinion for nany years.. I wish him no ill will, but i honestly think our team would move forward way quicker without him.
 
@southerntiger said:
So there is a lot of criticism of JT on here. Deservedly so given some of the insipid performances this year and last year and I say that as one of his supporters on here.

However, Im interested in what people would change if they were coach. I don't mean team selection. The truth is that picking one guy (JAC for example) ahead of another guy (Rankin) is rarely the difference between winning and losing. So, with you personnel we have, what would you do. You never know, JT might read this forum.

These are the five things I would do:

- have Moses and Brooks play both sides of the ruck. They have always looked best when playing off each other and Im generally not a fan having halves played specified sides of the ruck;

- use the outside-in line far more often when attacking the opposition line. We nearly always score from it when we use. Using it more often will also mean that sides will not be able to slide as easily, which they use to negate Tedesco.

- have Brooks and Moses play for 40/20s more often. We have a unique position that both our halves are two of the better 40/20 exponents in the game but we rarely play for it;

- support the runner better and seek to play second phase more. For some reason we don't seem to use decoys or support players like other teams do. Our hit ups are generally one out with the runner never looking to offload. Now I appreciate that second phase plays can increase the risk of errors (and one thing JT has done is significantly reduce our error rate) but I think you can do it intelligently and at least create some doubt in the opposition defence.

- look to shift early in the tackle count on occasion. Sides are playing very compressed defensive lines against us because they know we never look to shift early in a tackle count. Again, I appreciate this can lead to errors but if executed right, it shouldn't. Now we did this too much in the past but doing It at least couple of times a half will create a less condensed defensive line.

Anyone else have suggestions?
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One Point
I disagree with you on your first point, these guys dont play well together at all.
Brooks's best game was his debut game and that was without Moses,
and he played better than usual with Lawrence, recently
i dont know what it is but when theyre together, its a dogs breakfast
 
@Swordy said:
The change in 'culture' could happen quicker. And in my opinion there is only one way to do that.

It is in Robbie Farah's hands. Id like to see him gone.

I will say that i have always liked him as a player and he is deserved of every cent on his contract. So im hoping a mutually agreeable solution happens this year. He will be in our greatest player list in my opinion for nany years.. I wish him no ill will, but i honestly think our team would move forward way quicker without him.
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Could we burn him at the stake????
Funny how , no matter what happens here , it can always be sheeted home to R Farah.
he must do quick changes into all the jumpers throughout the games :roll
 
@goldcoast tiger said:
@Swordy said:
The change in 'culture' could happen quicker. And in my opinion there is only one way to do that.

It is in Robbie Farah's hands. Id like to see him gone.

I will say that i have always liked him as a player and he is deserved of every cent on his contract. So im hoping a mutually agreeable solution happens this year. He will be in our greatest player list in my opinion for nany years.. I wish him no ill will, but i honestly think our team would move forward way quicker without him.

Could we burn him at the stake????
Funny how , no matter what happens here , it can always be sheeted home to R Farah.
he must do quick changes into all the jumpers throughout the games :roll
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I think burning him at the stake might be over the top. Boy, you must really hate him.
 
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