What would you change?

[the_third]

Create second phase play to let the halves loose. They are a threat in broken play it's just the coach doesn't allow broken play….
Frozone can't play centre & addo-Carr on the wing
Coach more 4 &5th tackle options. We don't set anything up

 

[southerntiger]

Some great responses. Agree with all the posts concerning defensive structure but was seeking a few specifics. How would you improve it?

Slide defence? Up and out? Have Sue defend next to Moses? Worked last year but we abandoned it for some reason.

Thoughts?

 

[southerntiger]

So there is a lot of criticism of JT on here. Deservedly so given some of the insipid performances this year and last year and I say that as one of his supporters on here.

However, Im interested in what people would change if they were coach. I don't mean team selection. The truth is that picking one guy (JAC for example) ahead of another guy (Rankin) is rarely the difference between winning and losing. So, with you personnel we have, what would you do. You never know, JT might read this forum.

These are the five things I would do:

- have Moses and Brooks play both sides of the ruck. They have always looked best when playing off each other and Im generally not a fan having halves played specified sides of the ruck;

- use the outside-in line far more often when attacking the opposition line. We nearly always score from it when we use. Using it more often will also mean that sides will not be able to slide as easily, which they use to negate Tedesco.

- have Brooks and Moses play for 40/20s more often. We have a unique position that both our halves are two of the better 40/20 exponents in the game but we rarely play for it;

- support the runner better and seek to play second phase more. For some reason we don't seem to use decoys or support players like other teams do. Our hit ups are generally one out with the runner never looking to offload. Now I appreciate that second phase plays can increase the risk of errors (and one thing JT has done is significantly reduce our error rate) but I think you can do it intelligently and at least create some doubt in the opposition defence.

- look to shift early in the tackle count on occasion. Sides are playing very compressed defensive lines against us because they know we never look to shift early in a tackle count. Again, I appreciate this can lead to errors but if executed right, it shouldn't. Now we did this too much in the past but doing It at least couple of times a half will create a less condensed defensive line.

Anyone else have suggestions?

One Point
I disagree with you on your first point, these guys dont play well together at all.
Brooks's best game was his debut game and that was without Moses,
and he played better than usual with Lawrence, recently
i dont know what it is but when theyre together, its a dogs breakfast

I know why you think that but I disagree. Moses and Brooks play poorly when they are required to play defined roles on one side of the field. When they play both sides, they are far better players. This generally only happens when one is out. However, there have been a couple of times over the past 18 months when they play both sides together and it was a pleasure to watch.

In summary, the problem is not with their combination but with the constrained roles both have to play when they are both in the side.

 

[Harvey]

Every time one of our outside backs makes a bad defensive read, cut a finger off. Within a month, we would be able to pay them out through insurance for career ending injuries, and have room under the cap to sign suitable replacements.

 

[Harvey]

Put the players on a healthy gluten free diet

 

[teddy23]

Put the players on a healthy gluten free diet

I think pizza and beer is better tbh

 

[Harvey]

Put the players on a healthy gluten free diet

I think pizza and beer is better tbh

Maybe back to basics. Bread and wine

 

[tig_prmz]

trust each other to defend their man. the reason we have a broken defensive line at times is because the outside men jump inside to help out their inner men without any need. sometimes, you just need to trust your partner to do his job and help to complete the tackle. if someone goes straight through the middle, then bad luck- it happens. find the person responsible and put them on notice.

everyone thinks we can't defend, but i reckon our one on one defense and initial contact has improved immensely in the last couple of years, it's our formation that's let us down.

in attack, supporting the ball carrier is so important. our forwards with the exception of a couple are weak. lovett, siro, lawrence, taylor, grant running to the line by themselves are gonna get smashed 9/10x and they do get smashed. even though the forwards aren't gonna pass or aren't gonna offload, there need to be support players (halves and fullback included) in case there is a gap or at the least to put the defense in two minds.

the reason we may not be doing this is because of fatigue levels, hence the centres and wingers need to help out when needed.

we probably have 2nd worst squad on paper, but there is talent among these individuals. we're just not using it right.

 

[ricksen]

Some great responses. Agree with all the posts concerning defensive structure but was seeking a few specifics. How would you improve it?

Slide defence? Up and out? Have Sue defend next to Moses? Worked last year but we abandoned it for some reason.

Thoughts?

technique
communication
attitude

 

[iofthetigers]

Some great responses. Agree with all the posts concerning defensive structure but was seeking a few specifics. How would you improve it?

Slide defence? Up and out? Have Sue defend next to Moses? Worked last year but we abandoned it for some reason.

Thoughts?

The Tigers use an up & out defence(half of the problem).
Luke Brookes should be defending on the wing (or one in), he has good technique except for when the ball carrier holds the ball high in two hands, he starts to second guess himself, he would be one of the quickest in the team & you need to protect your greatest asset(it has worked for plenty of teams in the past).
Move Lovett closer to the ruck, for some reason when he defends wide his technique changes (he uses his more with his first contact at the ball) if you are going to persist with him out wide, have him watch Jesse Sue videos all day so he can see that no matter where you defend your technique shouldn't change, hit & stick (IN JESSE WE TRUST).
Or the simple option, sack the simple coach.

 

[Masterton]

I know why you think that but I disagree. Moses and Brooks play poorly when they are required to play defined roles on one side of the field. When they play both sides, they are far better players. This generally only happens when one is out. However, there have been a couple of times over the past 18 months when they play both sides together and it was a pleasure to watch.

In summary, the problem is not with their combination but with the constrained roles both have to play when they are both in the side.

I tend to agree. I can see why Taylor has set them up that way, thinking it's easier to start them learning to control half the field first, but it often backfires. When there's bugger all happening on the left, Brooks tends to just go missing. He should be lurking around looking for offloads, or just drawing defenders by being a support player.

I'm sure plenty have noticed that the halves have scored 3 tries in 2 games by being runners rather than playmakers.

 

[everett]

Is Liam Fulton associated with our club.

To me he had one of the best tackling techniques I have seen especially for his size.

Maybe Liam can assist with out defence.

Also Gibbs was very good at defence and line speed.

I think Lovett with some extra kgs in the offseason could be a useful prop in the Bryan Norrie sense. No fuss, solid prop.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The change in 'culture' could happen quicker. And in my opinion there is only one way to do that.

It is in Robbie Farah's hands. Id like to see him gone.

I will say that i have always liked him as a player and he is deserved of every cent on his contract. So im hoping a mutually agreeable solution happens this year. He will be in our greatest player list in my opinion for nany years.. I wish him no ill will, but i honestly think our team would move forward way quicker without him.

Could we burn him at the stake????
Funny how , no matter what happens here , it can always be sheeted home to R Farah.
he must do quick changes into all the jumpers throughout the games :roll

I think burning him at the stake might be over the top. Boy, you must really hate him.

The sarcasm meter must be broken again :laughing:

 

[TIGER]

Most people are only talking about what we can do with the ball, but the three things we're bad at is….
1\. Defence, in particular the ruck but also outside backs reads.
2\. Short and long kicking game.
3\. Last tackle plays.

As far as defence goes, I just don't think our forward pack are good enough to compete with 80% of the others consistently. They continually get dominated and are last to their feet and to get square at marker. Reads by the backs speak for themselves lately, really bad.

As far as kicking goes, our halves don't seem to be getting any better in this department.

Ditto for last tackle plays.

 

[westTAHger]

learn how to take control of close games, close them out and win.

 

[happy_tiger]

Wouldn't be much I wouldn't change across the park , on and off field

At the moment we are like the Australian Gymnastics teams we used to send to the Olympics in the 80's and 90's

We are finally catching up with the things that the top clubs have been doing for years and have moved on from already

 

[stevetiger]

Happy - your comments are common but I wonder how relevant your point is. I like fighting sports and I'm not sure if you really need start of the art facilities to compete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9yMLsNOqfM

In this video the narrator explains how poor the Cuban wrestling teams gym was but they consistently produce great wrestling teams. His answer is "it's simple - they don't have a mind-set of excuses". You can make do with equipment that mightn't seem the best because the equipment isn't really required.

I'm confident that if it's good enough for a top olympic wrestling team it's good enough for a first grade rugby league team.

 

[happy_tiger]

Happy - your comments are common but I wonder how relevant your point is. I like fighting sports and I'm not sure if you really need start of the art facilities to compete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9yMLsNOqfM

In this video the narrator explains how poor the Cuban wrestling teams gym was but they consistently produce great wrestling teams. His answer is "it's simple - they don't have a mind-set of excuses". You can make do with equipment that mightn't seem the best because the equipment isn't really required.

I'm confident that if it's good enough for a top olympic wrestling team it's good enough for a first grade rugby league team.

Sorry Steve I meant more that the "in" gymnastic move at say the 1984 Olympics the Aussies were mastering by the 1988 Olympics

Far different now of course

But we are in that mindset to a degree

 

[Swordy]

The change in 'culture' could happen quicker. And in my opinion there is only one way to do that.

It is in Robbie Farah's hands. Id like to see him gone.

I will say that i have always liked him as a player and he is deserved of every cent on his contract. So im hoping a mutually agreeable solution happens this year. He will be in our greatest player list in my opinion for nany years.. I wish him no ill will, but i honestly think our team would move forward way quicker without him.

Could we burn him at the stake????
Funny how , no matter what happens here , it can always be sheeted home to R Farah.
he must do quick changes into all the jumpers throughout the games :roll

I think burning him at the stake might be over the top. Boy, you must really hate him.

The sarcasm meter must be broken again :laughing:

Not broken at all. But it helps to read the whole post. I gave him a wrap and the respect he definitely deserves in my opinion as probably WT's greatest ever player. But you know what mate, there comes a time when everyone reaches their use by date and my opinion (one to which I am entitled) is that we would do better to move forward without him.

Now if he stays for 2017 and get paid, as he absolutely is entitled to do, I just don't think it is the best outcome for the club.

 

[Demps]

I wish our jerseys were Nike like the Broncos…
Minor importance but their jerseys always look the best.
Nike is my favourite brand.

I think Broncos got lucky with their deal with them.
Would love a WT/Nike dealio.

Hmmm shucks.