Where do we go from here?

[Milky]

That part about Woods is very true.. He makes some good metres but that's about it - there's no real impact and his game is very one dimensional. With the position he ends up in in most tackles (standing there) you'd think he would have time to spin around and offload. Would be so much better if he brought something else like that into his game. But yeah, that's the least of our worries.. I don't know where to start with the rest.

You're right Sco77y. It's frustrating watching Woods just stand there with his hands free and not offload.
And i hate how slow he plays the ball. :neutral_face:

Also hate how he just stands there in defence

 

[magpiecol]

You people are on something.

 

[magpiecol]

i dont know,i suppose iam not a football analyst,but i always see woods as being one of our best players.
there has been a fair bit of criticism on this forum recently for his lack of grunt and offloading - but thats not what i see.i see a bloke who busts his backside every week in a below average side .

added to that,he has been expected to captain the side earlier in the year.

my biggest fear is losing woods,tedesco etc because they are sick of losing.- now that would be a reason
to be miffed.why would you stick with the tigers?

i know its ancient history,but terry lamb left wests to play with a better side,Canterbury.
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perhaps woods is playing to coaches instructions.- run the ball up,retain possession and hope the halves can create something.

if woods plays state of origin,will we see a better player.i think so- and i betcha he offloads the ball as well.

john skandalis was very much the same type of player.
in the later part of his career .he began to offload and almost gained selection in the 2005 kangaroo squad as a result.

i love aaron woods and the tigers.
i hope for better times ahead,as we all do.[/qu
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Good post. The Dogs also bought Lamb a house.

 

[Gothetigers]

uote="Sco77y"]That part about Woods is very true.. He makes some good metres but that's about it - there's no real impact and his game is very one dimensional. With the position he ends up in in most tackles (standing there) you'd think he would have time to spin around and offload. Would be so much better if he brought something else like that into his game. But yeah, that's the least of our worries.. I don't know where to start with the rest.

You make the point he makes good metres and I think that is his job.

I believe that our backrow should be providing the ballplaying and second phase…. they don't make the good metres

 

[jadtiger]

I feel the only reason Woods dosent unload these days is because he is following instructions from our so called "coach" as he prefers basic low risk plays.it has been coached OUT of his game

 

[ricksen]

We have about 10 offloads from our forwards all season - it's clearly an instruction.

 

[pHyR3]

not offloading isnt really our issue

it would help - but having some grunt in our pack in offence would drastically improve our halves' performance

and bigger than all of that has been our D. if our right edge leaks points like that in a game this season, we will lose that game. without doubt.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

uote="Sco77y"]That part about Woods is very true.. He makes some good metres but that's about it - there's no real impact and his game is very one dimensional. With the position he ends up in in most tackles (standing there) you'd think he would have time to spin around and offload. Would be so much better if he brought something else like that into his game. But yeah, that's the least of our worries.. I don't know where to start with the rest.

You make the point he makes good metres and I think that is his job.

I believe that our backrow should be providing the ballplaying and second phase…. they don't make the good metres[/q

how are they supposed to do that???
In a previous post, I said much the same thing.
Making metres isnt all of it.
Metres are great , especially if whoever made those metres gets an offload or a quick play the ball.
It allows backrowers, halves or dummy halfs to get the next run. while the defence is trying to get reset.
Once they are reset. most advantage, and momentum is lost.
Theres no doubt Woods is a good footballer, but is content to make ground and then dance around with the defence to try and gain another metre or two, instead of hitting the ground and getting a faster play the ball. looks good on his stats
BUT....Hes doing just what the defence wants him to do.
They want him (and any one in that situation) to be slowed long enough for their defending team to be ready for the next runner
Weve got a fullback who is lightning, but never sees many quick play the balls to take advantage of.
While Im no fan of our Halves, even they would be better off if ANY of our forwards were getting balls away, or working on quick play the balls.
10 year kids these days are aware of the value of doing that. and spend time at training on both those things.
Its simple football, and if its right that Jt actually is making them stop offloading, hes worse than I previously thought

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

Where do we go from here?

Same as any struggling team, you pick the best 17 available, prepare them as best you can and show up on Saturday. Repeat next week.

 

[Geo]

Funny stuff…Lets say Woods goes against Taylor's 'instructions' and does offload the ball..or any of the forwards really...What's he going to do..Drop them..

I believe also it was Tiger Torch who said..it was Sandecock who runs the 'eyes up play what's in front of them' attacking drills ...

The buck stops with Taylor sure I doubt he'll see out his contract...the problems we have though run far deeper than the Coach...

 

[Tigermama]

Funny stuff…Lets say Woods goes against Taylor's 'instructions' and does offload the ball..or any of the forwards really...What's he going to do..Drop them..

I believe also it was Tiger Torch who said..it was Sandecock who runs the 'eyes up play what's in front of them' attacking drills ...

The buck stops with Taylor sure I doubt he'll see out his contract...the problems we have though run far deeper than the Coach...

Well said Geo. And the worse thing is, I don't think the club will find a solution to these problems any time soon. :frowning:

 

[Harvey]

If things keep going in the direction they have been, the answer may sadly be Perth

 

[stevied]

I am sure that no one runs out onto a NRL paddock and doesn't try their guts out for the entire game, which leaves me with one reason as to why we can't crack it in this comp … the majority of the squad may be great guys, they may be great trainers, they may have great press clippings ... but they just are not up to the standard of other NRL teams.
Let's look at yesterday's game. Our front row: without Sue we lack impact, both in attack and defence, we show no skills, our selectors are obsessed with statistics, sure our props run plenty of metres but they don't terrorise the opposition at all. Ava is the only prop that actually bends the line, Grant runs hard but is easily dominated as soon as the collision occurs, Woods will run all day, but the opposition just man up on him, hold him up for a while, set their defence and drop him to the ground - they know he is not going to break the line.
Our back row yesterday - too small, plenty of heart in lawrence and halatau but they need a couple of big boppers to take the heat off them, Sironen, I am afraid is just not up this standard of football, Taylor was good and with a bit of support will be a welcome addition. Aloiai impresses me, I would stick with him, Lovett is another in the worker bee mode, we have too many in the side, no impact.
The halves - sporadic is being kind. I honestly think Brooks will be a better player in the future if he spends the rest of the year organising a State Cup premiership, he needs his confidence rebuilt, it's not going to happen at the moment in the NRL. Moses has a go, but gets frustrated the more the game slips away, both halves have to learn patience, and they have to get in direct the rest of the team around - every play, whether it be with ball in hand, kicks to the corner or trailing around the runners.
Outside backs - big trouble here, plenty of ticker, but lack of size and panic options in both attack and defence, admittedly they are not getting much room to move in, with a benign forward pack and halves that rarely go to the line and through it, I can't believe that the bulldogs got away with a standard touch football move of stacking attackers to the short side, and got away with it time and again, who's talking in defence out there?
Okay, that's my rant over for the year, where do we go from here?

That's an excellent summary of our issues. There are problems galore in the team and it's not just confined to defense. Yes, our back line defense is very poor at the moment and the team doesn't move up quickly enough but we also have plenty of problems in attack. Put simply, we lack creativity and our execution is deplorable. No offloads, no second phase, no decisiveness from the halves and a completely ineffective kicking game.However, the biggest weakness in attack is a lack of go forward and I have to say that I'm pleased that people are finally acknowledging the weaknesses in Woods's game. While he trundles and struggles his way forward for those last few metres, and finally hits the ground, the opposition gets organized ready to smash our next runner. Much prefer Ava's and Sue's charges because they run with intent and bend the line, especially when followed by a quick play the ball.
Where do we go from here? This season? The fact of the matter is that we've had a succession of ineffective coaches and Taylor is probably the worst. I wouldn't hesitate in sacking him, appointing an interim coach and trying to salvage something from the season. It's not rocket science. We need someone to drop players, devise and implement game plans and coach the attack and defense.

 

[Juro]

Where do we go from here?
Is it down to the lake, I fear?
Ay ay ay ay ay ah
Ay ay ay ay ay ah

 

[Geo]

Yazz says it best…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtKADQnjQmc

 

[supercoach]

When your lying on your back you can only look up…I guess someone rolled us over

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

If things keep going in the direction they have been, the answer may sadly be Perth

It's not the worst thing that could happen.
I've mentioned it before, and even though the expected reaction. ( if they do that, then I'll stop watching NRL for good, etc etc, ). followed. I still believe that the way to go.
That reaction is understandable, but who really thinks that things will ever change here, or that we will ever be able to compete with the big boys in Sydney, or the bigger one town teams?
Three of the top teams are all from one team cities,
With the backing of the NRL , the chance to get into the pockets of an a whole new City , is worth exploring.
I'd love nothing more than to become successful in the present form, but
When you think about it , things are gradually getting worse,
You would think that the NRL would assist the club if we moved, as they wouldn't want us to stay on the bottom of the ladder when we did.
I can't see anything that will be a magic bullet if the clubs stays where we are,
And it won't be all smooth sailing if we move, but if we can grab Perth effectively, we become one of the teams that can maybe get some of the benefits that the other teams are getting.
Just ask yourself, (and forget loyalties just once, )
Can you honestly see us improving to a high levels , to be a threat to this competition.
Keep wishful thinking out of your answer if possible

 

[supercoach]

If things keep going in the direction they have been, the answer may sadly be Perth

It's not the worst thing that could happen.
I've mentioned it before, and even though the expected reaction. ( if they do that, then I'll stop watching NRL for good, etc etc, ). followed. I still believe that the way to go.
That reaction is understandable, but who really thinks that things will ever change here, or that we will ever be able to compete with the big boys in Sydney, or the bigger one town teams?
Three of the top teams are all from one team cities,
With the backing of the NRL , the chance to get into the pockets of an a whole new City , is worth exploring.
I'd love nothing more than to become successful in the present form, but
When you think about it , things are gradually getting worse,
You would think that the NRL would assist the club if we moved, as they wouldn't want us to stay on the bottom of the ladder when we did.
I can't see anything that will be a magic bullet if the clubs stays where we are,
And it won't be all smooth sailing if we move, but if we can grab Perth effectively, we become one of the teams that can maybe get some of the benefits that the other teams are getting.
Just ask yourself, (and forget loyalties just once, )
Can you honestly see us improving to a high levels , to be a threat to this competition.
Keep wishful thinking out of your answer if possible

We can not attract ant 1/2 decent players to Concord, what hope would we have trying to get players to move to Perth…buckleys

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It worked before, until Superleague scuttled it,
But back to my question.
You think we'll succeed here ??