Where is our CEO ?

[happy_tiger]

Someone is not Smarter than a 5th grader….

I dunno Geo , the less points you have to score the better I would of thought

If we want to even make a charge at the 8 our defence needs to improve 200 %

We will struggle to score 20 every week in my opinion

Roosters 34 Tigers 20 isn't good Maths , is it ??

I'm with you Happy….the top teams build there games on defence first and foremost...The best defensive teams are most often there when the whips are cracking come finals time...

Even the anomaly of '05...it was our scrambling defense was first rate...I remember a quote from Webke after the Brisbane semi along the lines of they were like bees swarming all over us...

True , how many points on average a game did we concede in the 2005 semis , maybe 8-9 points per game

 

[Guest]

Roosters 34 Tigers 20 isn't good Maths , is it ??

Lets try this one out "Tigers 40 Roosters 20" is good maths.

Seriously mate you need to a grip on this. Taylor Ball is terrible losing footy. I'm confident that JT has learned his lesson. Lets hope he has or next season is over.

It's also completely delusional. Like we have a hope in hell of putting 40 past the chooks :laughing: They own us.

 

[Snake]

After this mornings reading this gentleman needs to purchase Leadership 101 or google how to grow a Set!

 

[westTAHger]

Who runs this club ?
This on going saga, with Robbie staying or going, is damaging wests tigers reputation.
Friends of mine, constantly referring to wests tigers acting like primary school kids.

 

[innsaneink]

it's about a balance and building a foundation for years to come.

why are the chooks and manly so successful??

they have a ROCK SOLID foundation. and that's essentially the absolute fundamentals of the game. Complete your sets, kick on the last, win the ruck and defend. All these bs offloads, backline plays, fancy grubbers come off the back of doing the basics.

You play off a foundation, then you are allowed to do the fancy stuff and score points. However, this club has never had a foundation and JT is trying to build one. Now, that looked brutally ugly in the first half of the year. Boring as all hell. I, and probably JT himself, would admit that he went a little too far in trying to build that foundation and really stiffled our attack.

If we can build off the back of defensive improvements made last year and create that BALANCE we could do okay. now, if we're bottom 4 half way through the season, it's probably best to find a new coach. but i'm willing to give JT another opportunity cause he has definitely made strong strides in our defense. and we already know we can attack if needed. and most importantly, we can't turn our head coaching role into musical chairs.

Good post
Some can see what we are trying to do and realise it doesn't magically happen overnight

 

[innsaneink]

Who runs this club ?
This on going saga, with Robbie staying or going, is damaging wests tigers reputation.
Friends of mine, constantly referring to wests tigers acting like primary school kids.

You have good friends… Very polite... Don't want to hurt your feelings

 

[westTAHger]

Who runs this club ?
This on going saga, with Robbie staying or going, is damaging wests tigers reputation.
Friends of mine, constantly referring to wests tigers acting like primary school kids.

You have good friends… Very polite... Don't want to hurt your feelings

Wasn't able to put on here there exact words :unamused: , otherwise the auto edit would be every second word, so with them removed you have, " Friends of mine, constantly referring to wests tigers acting like primary school kids.

Wonder how long it will be until, this is all finally sorted out.
Won't be long until the writers of the t.v show " Bold and beautiful", head to Concord Oval for more scripts :unamused:

 

[Eddie]

Is the CEO on the same page as Taylor and the board??

My gut feeling is he is not.

I reckon he might have his own man on speed dial down the track.

 

[innsaneink]

We didnt have a CEO when al this started, and JT was left to do all the talking- appallingly.

With the news of the NRLs stance on what potential new clubs must register Farah under their cap, I think Pascoe sees compromise as the only option they have left…there is nothing else for it

If thats the case, Ayoub keeping it secret from Robbie and requesting the club dont tell him of its plans immediately has succeeded, albeit im sure to the detriment and success of all concerned on field....it cannot work, people cant be forced to like each other

 

[jirskyr]

Roosters 34 Tigers 20 isn't good Maths , is it ??

Lets try this one out "Tigers 40 Roosters 20" is good maths.

Seriously mate you need to a grip on this. Taylor Ball is terrible losing footy. I'm confident that JT has learned his lesson. Lets hope he has or next season is over.

Anyone apart from Steve who think we can put 40 on the Roosters with both sides at full strength ??

I think we can in the first half… :laughing:

I know steve has his opinions… I'm still inclined to disagree with him and his position.

Throwing the ball around does not consistently win games. Surely the Tigers performances 2003-2015 have showed that flamboyant teams are tremendous for TV viewing, but not for regularly troubling the finals.

Parramatta have floated in and out of finals contention in this same period because they too have been over-reliant on attack. Without Hayne, they've had to try and reinvent their approach, and so far it's shown to be difficult. But not the wrong move, just difficult!

What happens is that attack-focused teams come unstuck under consistent opposition pressure. If they lose their rhythm, or the weather doesn't suit (think of how well Tigers traditionally do on dry afternoon tracks), or a linchpin of the attack is injured, the wheels fall off the cart.

We won a tremendous comp in 2005, probably growing ever more memorable as the years pass ("oh 2005, what a free-flowing, exciting competition that was"), but every other year we've endured this stop-start run of form that generally clutters to a halt at position 9 in round 26.

No, I firmly believe teams win comps on the foundation of a solid defence. This defence is not dependent upon individual brilliance, or one set play, but every player in the side working his butt off all game, and sticking to the structures. It's dependent on players being able to read the attack and take the right option. It shouldn't really matter who is slotting in where, if all players can defend well and their mates can trust their decisions.

If you can halt most of the opposition attacking raids, you give yourself the field position and the possession to develop your own offensive pressure. But I do not feel that free-flowing attack should be the primary concern, if the opposition blows you away at the other end of the park.

You look at Broncos in 2015, some of those finals weeks they weathered so much punishment from great attacking teams, but didn't yield points. That is what got them to the GF, not a few flashy plays by Hunt or Milford.

Yes "Taylorball" stinks, but if 6 months of that can reset the fragile mentality of our team over the next few seasons, then sign me up.

Do people truly realise that we've endured 13 average seasons out of 16 total; a bloke comes in for 6 months and radically changes our approach, and some fans want to jump off a cliff because there is no instant winning streak, no immediate change in fortunes. 13 years of crap and you want to call time on a new strategy after 6 months.

 

[Eddie]

You can spin the stats any way you want.

Advocates of the way he played under Sheens could say we won a comp and made the Top 4 three times playing free flowing football. The years we missed out we often ran 9th with a huge injury list? Was he playing the best football adapted to the players he had at his disposal (A small pack and guys like marshall, price, hodgson etc)

What had more impact the injuries or the style of play in running 9th?? Im just playing devils advocate here. In hindsight our results under Sheens are decent you would have to say given the past 3 seasons efforts. Taylor often refers to the Tigers being at the bottom for years which is actually an insult to Sheens really, we never finished in the bottom 4 in his 10 years from my memory. I

was no Sheens lover by any means but he done a whole lot more then some blow in taylor who wanted to put rubbish on Sheens sides from day 1, which I didn't like.

You could also argue a great offensive beat beat a great defensive team in that GF in 2015 due to their intent and approach would i be right?

NO one can convince me the tactics employed in the middle of last season gave that team the best chance of winning that particular game. Bottom line it is about getting the best out of the players at your disposable. Adapting to their strengths. Of course you want a solid defence. And in general the best defensive sides are up the top.

For mine Taylor is using this "Tigers never focused on defence" rubbish and running with it to by himself more time. Late in the season with near a full squad at his disposal we were coughing up 40 at Shark park and 30 to the average Dragons.

Im all for a improved defence, but i don't believe playing one out football with our current players is laying the foundation for it. Its a pretty lame way to go about it from a coach lacking in adapting to the players at his disposal.

 

[boonboon]

So our attack was soooo horrible that despite running 15th only 5 teams in the whole comp scored more points then us. We scored more points then Melbourne with the Big 3 and Bellamy so I assume you think he is a rubbish attacking coach too. More then Souths so clearly they are playing boring footy too

 

[stevetiger]

Taylor often refers to the Tigers being at the bottom for years which is actually an insult to Sheens really, we never finished in the bottom 4 in his 10 years from my memory.

This is the spin that I can't stand. I hope that JT stops this. Its also an excuse that doesn't hold water.

For mine Taylor is using this "Tigers never focused on defence" rubbish and running with it to by himself more time.

Of course he is. The funny thing is the people that buy it and there are plenty of them. Yes defence is important and we should all know that. You still have to score points though.

Im all for a improved defence, but i don't believe playing one out football with our current players is laying the foundation for it. Its a pretty lame way to go about it from a coach lacking in adapting to the players at his disposal.

Everyone wants the team to defend really well. Its important. At the same time you need to attack and put pressure on the opposition when you have the ball. I heard Paul McGregor state after a loss that St George didn't do enough with the ball and its just not good enough. If you don't attack then you are going to really struggle to win games.

 

[jirskyr]

I'm cool with the above comments, but give JT 10 years like Sheens to make a fair comparison.

 

[gallagher]

So our attack was soooo horrible that despite running 15th only 5 teams in the whole comp scored more points then us. We scored more points then Melbourne with the Big 3 and Bellamy so I assume you think he is a rubbish attacking coach too. More then Souths so clearly they are playing boring footy too

One fact that continually gets brought up Boonboon
But don't worry the weedler-esq posters on here will still try and convince all how 'bad' or attack is.

 

[Eddie]

I'm cool with the above comments, but give JT 10 years like Sheens to make a fair comparison.

Any coach deserves at least 2 years to be fair

I don't doubt Taylor's smarts.

I just don't think people like him.

People want to run through a brick wall for Bennett, Bellamy because they know how to man manage and how to respond to different personality. They don't have wizard game plans or draw ont he chalk board at half time.

You mention Taylor they turn their nose up. He is there drawing these diagrams at half time, they might be the best games plans in the world. But if the blokes cant stand you well your no chance./

Sorry but its a fact./

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm cool with the above comments, but give JT 10 years like Sheens to make a fair comparison.

Any coach deserves at least 2 years to be fair

I don't doubt Taylor's smarts.

I just don't think people like him.

People want to run through a brick wall for Bennett, Bellamy because they know how to man manage and how to respond to different personality. They don't have wizard game plans or draw ont he chalk board at half time.

You mention Taylor they turn their nose up. He is there drawing these diagrams at half time, they might be the best games plans in the world. But if the blokes cant stand you well your no chance./

Sorry but its a fact./

You're comparing him to the two greatest coaches of the modern era for crying out loud. JT's not the only one who can't do what they do if you're being fair and honest.

And who said the players can't stand him?

 

[gallagher]

Hearsay is fact now.

 

[rialto]

Lets try this one out "Tigers 40 Roosters 20" is good maths.

Seriously mate you need to a grip on this. Taylor Ball is terrible losing footy. I'm confident that JT has learned his lesson. Lets hope he has or next season is over.

Anyone apart from Steve who think we can put 40 on the Roosters with both sides at full strength ??

I think we can in the first half… :laughing:

I know steve has his opinions… I'm still inclined to disagree with him and his position.

Throwing the ball around does not consistently win games. Surely the Tigers performances 2003-2015 have showed that flamboyant teams are tremendous for TV viewing, but not for regularly troubling the finals.

Parramatta have floated in and out of finals contention in this same period because they too have been over-reliant on attack. Without Hayne, they've had to try and reinvent their approach, and so far it's shown to be difficult. But not the wrong move, just difficult!

What happens is that attack-focused teams come unstuck under consistent opposition pressure. If they lose their rhythm, or the weather doesn't suit (think of how well Tigers traditionally do on dry afternoon tracks), or a linchpin of the attack is injured, the wheels fall off the cart.

We won a tremendous comp in 2005, probably growing ever more memorable as the years pass ("oh 2005, what a free-flowing, exciting competition that was"), but every other year we've endured this stop-start run of form that generally clutters to a halt at position 9 in round 26.

No, I firmly believe teams win comps on the foundation of a solid defence. This defence is not dependent upon individual brilliance, or one set play, but every player in the side working his butt off all game, and sticking to the structures. It's dependent on players being able to read the attack and take the right option. It shouldn't really matter who is slotting in where, if all players can defend well and their mates can trust their decisions.

If you can halt most of the opposition attacking raids, you give yourself the field position and the possession to develop your own offensive pressure. But I do not feel that free-flowing attack should be the primary concern, if the opposition blows you away at the other end of the park.

You look at Broncos in 2015, some of those finals weeks they weathered so much punishment from great attacking teams, but didn't yield points. That is what got them to the GF, not a few flashy plays by Hunt or Milford.

Yes "Taylorball" stinks, but if 6 months of that can reset the fragile mentality of our team over the next few seasons, then sign me up.

Do people truly realise that we've endured 13 average seasons out of 16 total; a bloke comes in for 6 months and radically changes our approach, and some fans want to jump off a cliff because there is no instant winning streak, no immediate change in fortunes. 13 years of crap and you want to call time on a new strategy after 6 months.

Good post!

 

[stevetiger]

I'm cool with the above comments, but give JT 10 years like Sheens to make a fair comparison.

I can see your point on this as well. The problem is that the club seems a real mess now compared to what we have had in the past.

Still I figure lets see how next year goes and even the year after that.