Why does WT struggle with membership numbers?

@Cultured Bogan said:
@Balmain Bug said:
1) Because the CEO can not capture our heartland (MacArthur region) and does not care about that area.
2) Because many supporters wont join up because of the blatant bias towards the Balmain side of the joint venture.
3) Fans dont feel a part of the Wests Tigers Organisation as many people see it as 'Balmain' and they do not want to support Balmain, they want to support Wests Tigers.
4) Many fans are disgruntled with Sheens and will join when he is gone.

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Come forward one and all and hear the gospel according to Bug…

Should change his name to stink bug because that post is dead set garbage. Blinded by vendetta, it really is disappointing.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@Balmain Bug said:
@Chief44 said:
@Balmain Bug said:
1) Because the CEO can not capture our heartland (MacArthur region) and does not care about that area.
2) Because many supporters wont join up because of the blatant bias towards the Balmain side of the joint venture.
3) Fans dont feel a part of the Wests Tigers Organisation as many people see it as 'Balmain' and they do not want to support Balmain, they want to support Wests Tigers.
4) Many fans are disgruntled with Sheens and will join when he is gone.

Question - How come you carry on about the lack thereof Wests heritage in the wests tigers club, yet your name has 'Blamain' in it? Shouldn't your name be Campbelltown Bug perhaps?

Dad lived in Lillyfield, I was born and bred in Balmain.

To site socio-econimc issues for poor membership is a cop out. Dogs, Dragons and Souths fans live in Sydney as well you know !!!!!

It comes down to extremely poor management by the CEO and people and the issues I have raised. Every Wests fan I know, refuse to become mebers on principle, they will join when the Magpies get 50/50 equal treatment and when the Fonz walks out. They all feel that way.

You're a turkey. We're a powerhouse in the NRL. We've given the finals a shake for the last two years. Perhaps every "Wests fan" you know should take their head out of the sand and realise that Sheens is the most successful coach we've had and that 50/50 treatment does not equate to being called the Wests Magpies, having Wests juniors stacked in the FG side and playing every game at Campbelltown.

Are these the same "parents" you speak to?

What are you talking about ??? I haved never asked or demanded those things. Dont falsely suggest that I have and dont call me a Turkey, that is in direct breach of the forum rules.

50/50 fairness is all I have ever asked. Wests Magpies fair share of NRL players, Black white and Orange as our colours, equal presence in the Wests magpies area.
Do not claim that I have ever asked for what you have written because that is not the case and an incredible scandelous lie. Its people like you that cause friction on this forum. (Do you ever see me abusing forum members? have you ever seen me abusing the Balmain club ????)
I have never done either and never will.
The parents I speak to are parents of primary and highschool kids who for the past few years have all echoed the same sentimate to be.
 
We can make up all the excuses we want but when it comes down to, to support your club the strips package is not bad value.

For starters you get a members cap valued at $30 and a $20 gift voucher.
The membership cost $60 leaving the actual cost at $10.
I'm sure most of us would buy a cap and some sort of merchandise from Gear Zone if we we not members. Not bad value overall.

You can then buy tickets to what ever game you choose to go to whether it be CSS, LO or SFS

I had this membership for years as I worked most weekends, I've now upgraded to the Ultimate package, so I've got no choice but to have weekends off.
I really can't see any reason why we all can't sign up.
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i've said it before, our membership is atrocious value.
Other clubs put us to shame when it comes to what they offer
 
Price and Grounds would be my guess…

I had a look at the Bulldogs Packages and they are very interesting compared to WT's (in brackets)

12 Games Best Seats - $330.00 ($390.00)
12 Games GA - $99.00 ($220.00)
Out Of Towners, 2 tickets - $50.00 ($110.00)

Both clubs Free Stuff looks similar?!

http://thebulldogs.com.au/membership/2012/Membership_Brochure.pdf
 
A big reason I don't invest in membership is because the NRL doesn't say which days we are playing.

Depending on which day games are played I will sit on a different side of the ground. I can't stand/ or sit for that matter with the sun in my eyes during the game even the lower grades. So for example, Night games I sit on the Eastern Grandstand at Campbelltown, but Sunday Afternoon/ Saturday Evening I will sit in the Western Grandstand.
 
I'm going to be perfectly honest If others have recieved the lack of service ,returned calls and in general help when making enquiries into membership and purchases I have I don't blame them for not joining

If I ran my business that way I'd be at Centrelink before you could spell Lui
 
I think there are two telling factors, the number of home grounds and the lack of facilities at two of those grounds - Campbelltown and Leichhardt.
I think our membership numbers are on a par or better than any other club that plays out of suburban grounds, bar St George but Kogarah and WIN are now both way ahead of Leichhardt and Campbelltown in terms of undercover seating and overall facilities.
People baulk at forking out good money for a 'seat' on two pieces of timber or a damp grass hill, where you have to walk through urine to take a pee.
All the clubs with memberships around the 20,000 play in far superior stadiums, and as they have more seats to sell can offer better value especially for general admission deals.

ps Bug, i'm Wests and i'm a member. Wests, in 20 odd years never captured the imagine of the Macarthur region - they averaged crowds of less than 8,000 compared to over 13,000 that the Tigers average there.

To suggest that the Macarthur region is our heartland is to view the joint venture through black and white eyes. The clubs that struggle are those that narrowly focus in on one region within Sydney (e.g. Cronulla, Manly, Penrith). Our heartland is Sydney. Our fan base spread far and wide.

Wests were the laughing stock of the league, no hopers, perennial losers. I for one am glad they merged. I now have witnessed my win a competition and become a real threat for the last 2 years and, I'm hoping, again this year. The club (Wests Tigers) has bent over backwards to get Wests on board, but the infighting, sniping and bickering and continued loser/victim culture of some involved with Wests stops them embracing the joint venture. Quite frankly, the sooner the old magpie turns it up and dies, probably the better. The 'victims' will likely keep on whingeing and complaining. Some of us, on the other hand, will fondly remember the struggles and the occasional triumph through nostalgic, and possibly teary eyes.
 
@willow said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
@Balmain Bug said:
1) Because the CEO can not capture our heartland (MacArthur region) and does not care about that area.
2) Because many supporters wont join up because of the blatant bias towards the Balmain side of the joint venture.
3) Fans dont feel a part of the Wests Tigers Organisation as many people see it as 'Balmain' and they do not want to support Balmain, they want to support Wests Tigers.
4) Many fans are disgruntled with Sheens and will join when he is gone.

:roll

Come forward one and all and hear the gospel according to Bug…

Should change his name to stink bug because that post is dead set garbage. Blinded by vendetta, it really is disappointing.

Did you give yourself a warning for this post

You are the most disrespectful Administrator on this forum.
 
@prattenpark said:
I think there are two telling factors, the number of home grounds and the lack of facilities at two of those grounds - Campbelltown and Leichhardt.
I think our membership numbers are on a par or better than any other club that plays out of suburban grounds, bar St George but Kogarah and WIN are now both way ahead of Leichhardt and Campbelltown in terms of undercover seating and overall facilities.
People baulk at forking out good money for a 'seat' on two pieces of timber or a damp grass hill, where you have to walk through urine to take a pee.
All the clubs with memberships around the 20,000 play in far superior stadiums, and as they have more seats to sell can offer better value especially for general admission deals.

ps Bug, i'm Wests and i'm a member. Wests, in 20 odd years never captured the imagine of the Macarthur region - they averaged crowds of less than 8,000 compared to over 13,000 that the Tigers average there.

To suggest that the Macarthur region is our heartland is to view the joint venture through black and white eyes. The clubs that struggle are those that narrowly focus in on one region within Sydney (e.g. Cronulla, Manly, Penrith). Our heartland is Sydney. Our fan base spread far and wide.

**Wests were the laughing stock of the league, no hopers, perennial losers**. I for one am glad they merged. I now have witnessed my win a competition and become a real threat for the last 2 years and, I'm hoping, again this year. The club (Wests Tigers) has bent over backwards to get Wests on board, but the infighting, sniping and bickering and continued loser/victim culture of some involved with Wests stops them embracing the joint venture. Quite frankly, the sooner the old magpie turns it up and dies, probably the better. The 'victims' will likely keep on whingeing and complaining. Some of us, on the other hand, will fondly remember the struggles and the occasional triumph through nostalgic, and possibly teary eyes.

Whilst I agree with your post, overall PP, I do take umbrage to the bolded statement. Wests may have had a few really bad years, as they were nearing the end of their time as a single entity, during the late 90's, but I would never ever label them the 'laughing stock of the league!' They were a proud club with a wonderful history for the majority of their time in the league. Why does everyone only remember the last few years when they were struggling? If any team was the so called laughing stock of the league it was North Sydney, who continually languished at the bottom of the ladder and hadn't won a premiership since 1921 or perhaps Cronulla, who still haven't won a premiership and probably never will!
 
in 1991 Wests were club champions

In 1996 I remember a huge optimism surrounded the Magpies in the Macarthur.

For the first time people admitted they followed them.

The team finally had local players in it and it was successful making the semi finals of a 20 team national comp.

1997 - BANG - SUPER LEAGUE!!!

The rest is history
 
@Jazza said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
does it have anything to do with price - i dont understand how souths have so many memberships considering their geographical socio economic location. im baffled.

I think with Souths it depends on what you class as a "member". Someone could sign up for something very minimal, and yet they will get put down as a "member".[/
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No, it's a much simpler explanation. Souths were both creative and commercially smart in hiring membership specialists from the Swans.
 
Im not a member,I generally get to about 10 tigers games a year, but they are not always our home game, and with my lifestyle and the lack of knowledge of when we actually play, I never know when Im going to be able to make it.
The 3 home grounds doesn't help with arranging myself.
Like others have said, at CSS i like to sit in the stands, at LO I prefer the hill, Im better off buying week by week.

If we played all at one ground would I be more likely to purchase, maybe, I rarely miss a LO game, but part of that cause they are a rare treat.

Thinking about it, I often choose to go to other games based on location (I live in concord, if I have nothing on and there is a game nearby, involving a team or some players I like, I often go check it out)
 
West Tigers still have considerably more members that a lot of other clubs
Having 3 home grounds has its advantages and disadvantages
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Price and Grounds would be my guess…

I had a look at the Bulldogs Packages and they are very interesting compared to WT's (in brackets)

12 Games Best Seats - $330.00 ($390.00)
12 Games GA - $99.00 ($220.00)
Out Of Towners, 2 tickets - $50.00 ($110.00)

Both clubs Free Stuff looks similar?!

http://thebulldogs.com.au/membership/2012/Membership_Brochure.pdf

Yep, that is part of the reason. It's too expensive.

I also think its the culture of Sydney in general. People are fans but there is no membership culture.

Go to Melbourne and if you follow and AFL club you are a member, it's that simple.

This will take years to change.

I also think playing at one ground would help enormously.
 
I think people are deluded if they think we are the most popular club. We get ample media coverage due to a media savvy CEO. The traditional powerhouses don't need to play the silly games our CEO does
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@Balmain Bug said:
What are you talking about ??? I haved never asked or demanded those things. Dont falsely suggest that I have and dont call me a Turkey, that is in direct breach of the forum rules.

50/50 fairness is all I have ever asked. Wests Magpies fair share of NRL players, Black white and Orange as our colours, equal presence in the Wests magpies area.
Do not claim that I have ever asked for what you have written because that is not the case and an incredible scandelous lie. Its people like you that cause friction on this forum. (Do you ever see me abusing forum members? have you ever seen me abusing the Balmain club ????)
I have never done either and never will.
The parents I speak to are parents of primary and highschool kids who for the past few years have all echoed the same sentimate to be.

Never said you demanded anything. I simply said that those "people" you have spoken to oughta pull their head out of the sand as we could be in a far worse position than we are. Re-read what I said again. I never said YOU stated anything. The first line of this response is completely irrelevant to anything I addressed in my original post.
 
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