Why Maguire is the man the Wests Tigers need

[jirskyr]

That’s such BS, to assume that we (you) understand the heart of the issue at Souths, that the players were right and the coach was not, or that the coach was specifically too hard and they gave up.

I seem to recall that one of our colleagues who is related to a current Souths player who played under Madge, said that stories that Madge lost the dressing room were garbage. In fact, Madge was well liked by the players.

If my memory serves, his Souths relative said that Seibold was white-anting Madge and that it was Seibold who was disliked by the players, not Madge.

Have been told the same - but people will always form their own opinions.

It's also ultimately irrelevant. There's no point anyone spending time worrying about whether or not the players "like" the coach, because he is the coach and it's the results that matter.

If Madge gets the results, I really don't care who likes him or not. And if he doesn't get the results, all the friendly players in the world won't save him.

It's relevant if they don't put in to get the results for the coach..easier to punt 1 bloke than 17-20..

The results are relevant, the method not so much.

Like I said, players with no spine and no mental toughness hasn't worked for the first 20 seasons, why not a bit of Commando-style coaching for a few seasons. Yet to be seen whether it's a better strategy or not.

 

[The_Patriot]

The great coaches learn how to adapt their style, they are never one trick ponies. Its up to Maguire to make some subtle changes to his and learn from his so called mistakes.

To me i can see him doing that already.

I think you are correct , look at Seibold he appears to be a one trick pony and is being found out with the new rule changes

Did he ever have a trick or was he all hype

 

[Rugba]

The great coaches learn how to adapt their style, they are never one trick ponies. Its up to Maguire to make some subtle changes to his and learn from his so called mistakes.

To me i can see him doing that already.

I think you are correct , look at Seibold he appears to be a one trick pony and is being found out with the new rule changes



Did he ever have a trick or was he all hype

Probably both he had One trick and was all hype

 

[Rugba]

The great coaches learn how to adapt their style, they are never one trick ponies. Its up to Maguire to make some subtle changes to his and learn from his so called mistakes.

To me i can see him doing that already.

I think you are correct , look at Seibold he appears to be a one trick pony and is being found out with the new rule changes

Let go too many players with experience

Apart from Glenn , he has no forward leader

Interestingly I noticed Peter Ryan is heading back to the Broncos

I think it’s a cop out that he is raised about inexperience, the side is not much different to last year and all those “inexperienced players” have had a year extra in experience and also a year extra with him with his tactics.

6 again rule just highlighting the shit sides and coaches

 

[Telltails]

It's all about the roster. Bellamy as good as he is - is already getting nervous about his current roster and it's miles ahead of ours. You can't measure the performance of a coach against another unless you measure the rosters they have at the same time.
Assembling the players good enough to make a mark in this competition is our biggest challenge and most frustrating is we were closer to that a few years back than we are now.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Love how Madge didn't even buy into the reporter asking about the referee decisions against us when questioned in the coaching insider yesterday. More focused on the soft tries we let in.

 

[TrueTiger]

To be a consistent well performing team is really about good roster and player management..
Its not a coincidence that Melbourne have been on top of the NRL ladder more times than not..
Bellamy has been there about 17 years and has had the call on nearly all the major signings and decisions when it came to the squad he has had..
Comparing what we have done over the years with poor coach appointments,sackings,poor retention,constant rebuilds over the years and internal conflicts,its no wonder that Madge has been intense on changing the culture at this club overall from player squads through to admin..
Many will argue and say we should show improvements with the resignings and recruitments we have made at various times,but once again it comes back to what we have done over the years,no body can condemn Madge or the players for that matter like Grub Mbye Packer etc,these are still left from the previous coach assembling his roster and then left the club high and dry..
It will take time for Madge to get to where we need to be,he needs the time here to do what he needs to do and if we don't make the finals or we get beaten while doing our very best and playing for 80 minutes,then he is heading toward that goal of changing the rabble culture to a culture where we are definitely in there trying to achieve the best we can every time they pull on the Tigers colours..
Hopefully Madge can lay a platform of success for the future and we will attract the top players because we are a winning club with an outstanding culture all round...

 

[Tcat]

Love how Madge didn't even buy into the reporter asking about the referee decisions against us when questioned in the coaching insider yesterday. More focused on the soft tries we let in.

Yep, nothing worse than a whinging coach.

 

[Honkylips]

Im concerned that he stated in an interview "We can score points, that doesn't bother me"
It bothers me. Our attack is predictable and easily read to our opposition.

 

[TrueTiger]

Im concerned that he stated in an interview "We can score points, that doesn't bother me"
It bothers me. Our attack is predictable and easily read to our opposition.

He said we have been well known to score points,it doesn't bother him to score points,its the lacklustre defence and to play for 80 minutes is what he wants to change...

winning games and good attack come from solid defence and playing for the full 80 minutes ,that's what he was alluding to...

 

[Lauren]

Exactly @TrueTiger. The Panther's performance last night was a perfect example. They won that game off great defensive effort, and staying switched on for the full 80.

 

[happy_tiger]

The great coaches learn how to adapt their style, they are never one trick ponies. Its up to Maguire to make some subtle changes to his and learn from his so called mistakes.

To me i can see him doing that already.

I think you are correct , look at Seibold he appears to be a one trick pony and is being found out with the new rule changes

Let go too many players with experience

Apart from Glenn , he has no forward leader

Interestingly I noticed Peter Ryan is heading back to the Broncos

I think it’s a cop out that he is raised about inexperience, the side is not much different to last year and all those “inexperienced players” have had a year extra in experience and also a year extra with him with his tactics.

6 again rule just highlighting the shit sides and coaches

I'm saying he made a huge error letting players Josh McGuire go

You can't coach experience and when it goes wrong with a bunch of forward rookies you'll get pumped

 

[bbobb]

I think coaches are a bit like CEOs. Some are good at rebuilding, others growing organisations and others at leading through troubled times - it is extremely rare to get one for all seasons. I see Madge as a bit of a “rebuilder”. He may point the club into the direction it needs to go but may not be the one who sees the final fruits of his labour.

Not having a go at you mate , but what do you mean by final fruits ? Are you saying sustained success ? Or a premiership ? Because to me at Souths , he just did all he could with that team , and they hit a wall .

All good mate - I mean exactly that. He strikes me as a reformer. The guy who makes 80% of the changes but does not necessarily have the tools to do the last 20%. This isn’t a knock on Madge, more a reflection of getting the right guy(s) to deliver premiership.

In terms of Souths, I thought he came to end in terms of ideas and man management. Yes, he delivered a premiership but the results after that sort of indicated that he peaked and they weren’t going to get any better as a club.

 

[Tigerwould]

Throughout my working career I've learnt different ways to tackle the same type of projects and people . I'm sure Madge has do the same

 

[jadtiger]

I know that there are some maybe many on here who want to see more of Madge as a coach before the club tries to extend his contract but i would be trying to do it immediately if i could.I am not basing this on one game or even a few games but on the improvement that i have seen in the last 6 months,our recruitment is looking to the future and not "stop gap" players.He is happy making the tough decisions in dropping any player and our performance on the paddock has a much more aggressive tone than i have seen for years.He is the coach we need without doubt imo

Hopefully we are already trying to keep him because i am sure the vultures will be circling shortly if we dont retain him.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I know that there are some maybe many on here who want to see more of Madge as a coach before the club tries to extend his contract but i would be trying to do it immediately if i could.I am not basing this on one game or even a few games but on the improvement that i have seen in the last 6 months,our recruitment is looking to the future and not "stop gap" players.He is happy making the tough decisions in dropping any player and our performance on the paddock has a much more aggressive tone than i have seen for years.He is the coach we need without doubt imo

Hopefully we are already trying to keep him because i am sure the vultures will be circling shortly if we dont retain him.

Our ability to recruit is looking much better. We look better on the paddock, and I am sure that if Twal and Musgrove didn't go down against the Cowboys our second half would not have panned out the same way. Our forwards aren't total easybeats anymore either and are all responding well to his coaching.

 

[rustycage]

I know that there are some maybe many on here who want to see more of Madge as a coach before the club tries to extend his contract but i would be trying to do it immediately if i could.I am not basing this on one game or even a few games but on the improvement that i have seen in the last 6 months,our recruitment is looking to the future and not "stop gap" players.He is happy making the tough decisions in dropping any player and our performance on the paddock has a much more aggressive tone than i have seen for years.He is the coach we need without doubt imo

Hopefully we are already trying to keep him because i am sure the vultures will be circling shortly if we dont retain him.

Thankfully, we didn't get "sideshow Bennett."