Woods to Bulldogs for 900k GARBAGE.
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jirskyr
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Don't agree with that at all.
Firstly you say he's the 8th best prop in the comp, I'm telling you he will be first prop selected for NSW and all of Vaughan, Boyd, James, Klemmer, Fifita are eligible for that selection.
Paul Vaughan is resurgent after 5 rounds at Dragons. You want to put him up there with the best, I think you've totally jumped the gun, I want to see his output over at least a full season. He was already behind Boyd and Junior Paulo at the Raiders and you don't even rate Paulo Top 8 apparently.
David Klemmer is down this year, his form is not great, but he has the potential for good form. He goes to another level at representative football but I think he lacks the week-in-out consistency at club level.
JWH is strong, he is loose though, he's up there with one of the better firebrand props but he has his drawbacks.
So I don't think it's quite fair to rank players 1-10, there is too much subtlety to the role of a prop forward in a team. Some are defensive, some just take constant hitups, some offload, some have short minutes etc.
I think Jesse Bromwich is the best prop in the game right now, with a good all-around game. Woods was equal with him maybe 12 months but I think Woods is not in his best form, and it doesn't help his team is getting mauled.
Tier 2 props are Woods, Graham, Fifita, Ryan James, Scott, JWH - pillars of their team, reliable; usually they are top of their game in specific skillsets, like James Graham just going hard all day and leading from front, Woods with big minutes and metres, Fifita with explosive carries, James with finding the tryline and the odd big hit, Scott for doing dirty work, JWH for his physical presence. IMO Scott is transitioning out of this Tier, I think within a year he will be surpassed by Josh McGuire (arguably already).
Tier 3 props are very capable but have some downsides to their consistency / performance - Boyd, Paulo, Klemmer, Vaughan, Taupau, Tamou, Adam Blair, Josh McGuire, Tolman. I think McGuire is the best of this tier. I would put De Belin in this group now, he's really come on this year, which has surprised me because he's been around for a while with middling impact. I think Tolman is becoming less impactful year on year, I'd put him at the bottom of this group. Kasiano maybe gets in but he doesn't play many minutes, you need an existing strong pack to support a Kasiano type. Matt Prior has probably played himself to this level in 2016.
Tier 4 props I think are up-and-comers, middle-road guys or older blokes who have lost their edge - Nate Myles, Reagan C-G, Nelson A-S, Nathan Brown, Tim Mannah, Korbin Sims, Russell Packer, Gubb, Lilyman, Burgess twins. Brenton Lawrence is maybe here, he's quite good but injuries have curtailed him for so long.
I do not consider Gallen or Jake Turbo as props, they are locks to me.
So I would rate Woods as not the best prop, but in the top 2-7 props after the current best. I truly believe people who criticise Woods misunderstand the way he is used, and the toolset he possesses. I do not argue for a minute that he doesn't have loads of improvement in him, and I don't think he's at his best this year compared even to last year. But he's young, he's enormous, he's a huge presence on-field, he has strong rep experience, is generally well-regarded. He makes consistently large metres every week, he can play big minutes, he has great at-line footwork, his missed tackle count is modest, he draws many defenders to tackles, he rarely gets pushed back, he remains standing in the tackle frequently, consistently pushes through the line, he is resistant to injury, he is Top 3 offloaders in the club.
He is not fast, he never will be. He does not hit and drop for the quick PTB, because frankly he's a huge frame and I don't see how he could take on so many tacklers and be expected to drop. How quickly does Shannon Boyd play the football? How about Klemmer or Scott? Brenton Lawrence is fast enough to catch outside backs, Woods will never be.
By all means look for room for improvement with Woods, a footballer's task is never over. I also understand criticism of his perceived "lack of leadership" at this time. I do not think any props should be paid $900K because you can get quite good props for a fraction of that.
But IMO Woods is still one of the top props in the game, has been for years, and most importantly is head and shoulders the best forward Tigers have on the books. The level of negativity that Woods cops sometimes astounds me, because like Tedesco he is the best we have in that group.
Bengaliwolf
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I agree that his role has been to just make the metres and not look for tackle busts necessarily. I just feel that when he hits the ball up, we lose momentum even if he's run for 15 metres because he stands there wrestling with the tacklers and takes ages to fall to the ground or play the ball. By the time he's played the ball, the defenders are back and ready for the next play. If he hit the line with intensity and went straight to ground looking for a quick play the ball (rather than a penalty), we might have more opportunity to turn the metres gained into an opportunity with the defenders still back pedalling.
I'm not hacking out on the guy. I don't think he's a bad player but I do think that his style of play slows us down in attack.
BenzaTiger
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From my observation of tonight's game Woods is gone, Teddy will stay
glebe_tiger
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Your observations are startling. How did you come to this conclusion?
BenzaTiger
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Wow
Nice Glebe tiger
Nice Glebe tiger
Coastie_Tiger
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He didn't look overly happy with the win to be fair, even Moses was jumping around like a lunatic. Possibly has a fair bit on his mind, if I was to take a punt I'd say he's jumped ship also.
If he's gone so be it. No player is bigger than the club.
If he's gone so be it. No player is bigger than the club.
G
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I think we'll hang onto him.
innsaneink
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What sort of peeweak reply is this?
How can you conclude one players gone and another will stay from 80ons of footy?
GT is interested, so am i
BenzaTiger
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Like I said, just an observation
Sorry it's not more in depth than u guys would like
Sorry it's not more in depth than u guys would like
GNR4LIFE
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I think it's more your response than your initial observation. When you draw conclusions from minor things you should expect people to ask you to elaborate.
BenzaTiger
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I read GTs comment as sarcastic, my bad, will elaborate next time.
supercoach
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Reading between the lines Teddy is off to the chooks and not the Dogs, as for paying Woods 900g, let him go. My offer would be 750 tops. You have to put things in perspective, we have a no9 on probably 120g tops who is going really good and you have three players bickering over 900g..I say get a life
BenzaTiger
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Apologies to GT
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Des will take Woods and Tedesco. Does anyone remember the Dogs offering a 700K to Fifita? That was with Tollman and Graham and many others? So how did they do that 200K cap + 500K business sponsor ships.
It will be the same for Woods and Tedesco. Des knows that players who are friends will play better together. He payed out 600K to sign Brett Morris to go with Josh (Ok he probably paid less, but he definitely paid top dollar for the winger). Would Des pay 1m a season for Tedesco and 900k for a prime forward to boot, 100% yes. In the Bulldogs pack with Graham, Tollman, Eastwood, wow you add Woods to that you have a pack that is ferocious (and a stack of mentors for Woods, suddenly the guy who does not want to be Captain can stand tall behind a big pack. No carrying the team and hard knocks every week).
Yes, the Dogs will work it so that the actual cap value for these players will be low, but they will sign because they will travel together. Des could take Tedesco to another level as he will say he mentored Brett Stewart and a host of Manly backs. But the clincher will be Woods dosen't have to get bruised rotten carrying the team each week, he can be a big man with other big strong men.
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I'm not saying it's not possible or it won't happen - but the cap value of a player is at least meant to approximate that player's actual value.
I don't think the Dogs would be able to get away with signing Teddy for 400k + 800k TPAs if we are offering him 800k +200k TPAs
(I just made those numbers up for the sake of argument)
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