Woods V Hargraves

It is hard to argue with what you say.
I think it's the hair and the beard which gives him a hard-man mystique.
You pointed out his many faults in game 3 of origin but remember that his game 2 try was not only awesome but an iconic moment for all NSW fans.
He is a very good front-rower, not great. He is probably a top 15 prop. The better one's arguably being: Tamou, Scott, Hannant, McGuire, Fifita, George Burgess, Lillyman, Matulino, Waerea-Hargreaves, Klemmer, Kasiano, Graham, Bromwich (and there are others but only 2/3 of this list are NSWelshmen, so his selection in origin is justified for me).
 
the problem is he hasn't developed in the last 2 years. he's had the same definiciencies when he was 22/23 when he got picked in SOO and test matches. he hasn't improved his first contact when tackling and marker defence. he's developed an ability to pass at the line and has always had the ability to poke his head through the defensive line.

anyway, let's not forget he's only 25 still. he still has a long way to go and im positive he'll improve on his game.
 
Now the unfortunate thing for Woods is that now, due to Daley, he will always be a Blue - so why try harder?! He got Dally M prop last year - why try to fix the flaws in his game?! Im just baffled…
 
@bigsiro said:
It is hard to argue with what you say.
I think it's the hair and the beard which gives him a hard-man mystique.
You pointed out his many faults in game 3 of origin but remember that his game 2 try was not only awesome but an iconic moment for all NSW fans.
He is a very good front-rower, not great. He is probably a top 15 prop. The better one's arguably being: Tamou, Scott, Hannant, McGuire, Fifita, George Burgess, Lillyman, Matulino, Waerea-Hargreaves, Klemmer, Kasiano, Graham, Bromwich (and there are others but only 2/3 of this list are NSWelshmen, so his selection in origin is justified for me).
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The hair has to go. He's taken the likeable larrikin too far and that's exactly how he plays on the field.
Every time I look at him I see Wilfred the dog, I don't know how his misses puts up with it.
He needs a makeover with some agro thrown
 
My word there is some dribbling on this thread. There isn't a team in the competition that Woods wouldn't start for and yes I include the Cowboys in that - Woods is clearly doing more than Tamou week in, week out. He's a rep quality prop playing in a busted pack, he plays major minutes week after week and is almost always produces the best numbers of any Tiger. We should be bloody glad he didn't go to Manly when he had the chance, because without him we've got very little up front.

Yes, Hargreaves had a much better game yesterday. It happens. Last week Woods was clearly the best prop NSW had, and there were multiple match reports I saw arguing that one of Daley's big mistakes was not giving Woods enough game time. To expect the guy to knock out 200 metres, 50 tackles and half a dozen offloads game after game without ever having an off week is just insane.

I simply cannot believe that there are people who call themselves Tigers fans who are turning on the guy (I couldn't give a monkeys about some troll Raiders fan jumping on - whatever mate, no-one asked you). Seriously, whoever it was said George Burgess is better than Woods - go for a lie down, pal. Or, better: have a look at a Souths forum - half of them want both the Burgess twins punted. Lillyman! Take a look at yourself mate.

I mean, as if the Tigers don't have problems enough without this sort of garbage.
 
2041, I posted 3 factual things from the game with the times mentioned. Woods is average.

Woods has never put a hit on anyone as far as I can tell. His run stats are decent - but the quality of those runs is debateable.

And his tackle stats are misleading coz he is a 3rd-in-flopper. And a bad one at times. Mate, I was so puzzled by his worship I decided to join the Tigers forums to see if Im alone, im not. Woods needs a rocket.
 
Fair enough, Lillyman was a bit of a stretch - but he is consistent.
George Burgess however is better than Woods. He would walk into the NSW team.
 
I see the point of fact that everyone has said about woodsy. Was it stated on here early in the season by the torch that he was doing extra sessions on making more dominant tackles. If so I really do think he is failing, having said that I'm not against his performances this season.
 
@turbodewd said:
2041, I posted 3 factual things from the game with the times mentioned. Woods is average.

Woods has never put a hit on anyone as far as I can tell. His run stats are decent - but the quality of those runs is debateable.

And his tackle stats are misleading coz he is a 3rd-in-flopper. And a bad one at times. Mate, I was so puzzled by his worship I decided to join the Tigers forums to see if Im alone, im not. Woods needs a rocket.
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Cool story bro.
 
@bigsiro said:
Fair enough, Lillyman was a bit of a stretch - but he is consistent.
George Burgess however is better than Woods. He would walk into the NSW team.
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George Burgess hasn't been able to walk into the Souths team this season, even when he's been fit. As I say, you should hear what their fans think about him. Offer a straight swap to Souths, Woods for George Burgess, and they'd almost be laughing too hard to say yes. Then they'd say yes.
 
@2041 said:
@bigsiro said:
Fair enough, Lillyman was a bit of a stretch - but he is consistent.
George Burgess however is better than Woods. He would walk into the NSW team.

George Burgess hasn't been able to walk into the Souths team this season, even when he's been fit. As I say, you should hear what their fans think about him. Offer a straight swap to Souths, Woods for George Burgess, and they'd almost be laughing too hard to say yes. Then they'd say yes.
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Cool story bro
 
@bigsiro said:
@2041 said:
@bigsiro said:
Fair enough, Lillyman was a bit of a stretch - but he is consistent.
George Burgess however is better than Woods. He would walk into the NSW team.

George Burgess hasn't been able to walk into the Souths team this season, even when he's been fit. As I say, you should hear what their fans think about him. Offer a straight swap to Souths, Woods for George Burgess, and they'd almost be laughing too hard to say yes. Then they'd say yes.

Cool story bro
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Jacob Lillyman liked yours more.
 
@2041 said:
My word there is some dribbling on this thread. There isn't a team in the competition that Woods wouldn't start for and yes I include the Cowboys in that - Woods is clearly doing more than Tamou week in, week out. He's a rep quality prop playing in a busted pack, he plays major minutes week after week and is almost always produces the best numbers of any Tiger. We should be bloody glad he didn't go to Manly when he had the chance, because without him we've got very little up front.

Yes, Hargreaves had a much better game yesterday. It happens. Last week Woods was clearly the best prop NSW had, and there were multiple match reports I saw arguing that one of Daley's big mistakes was not giving Woods enough game time. To expect the guy to knock out 200 metres, 50 tackles and half a dozen offloads game after game without ever having an off week is just insane.

I simply cannot believe that there are people who call themselves Tigers fans who are turning on the guy (I couldn't give a monkeys about some troll Raiders fan jumping on - whatever mate, no-one asked you). Seriously, whoever it was said George Burgess is better than Woods - go for a lie down, pal. Or, better: have a look at a Souths forum - half of them want both the Burgess twins punted. Lillyman! Take a look at yourself mate.

I mean, as if the Tigers don't have problems enough without this sort of garbage.
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Well said 2041.

Some of the people rubbishing Woods, would not know a footballer if they fell over one. They are just haters mate. They hate the players, they hate the coach and they hate the club. Ignore them.
 
It's a bit much expecting Woods to do everything. Surely some of the other blokes could look to take the heads off the opposition and jam their elbows into people's throats.
 
@magpiecol said:
Well said 2041.

Some of the people rubbishing Woods, would not know a footballer if they fell over one. They are just haters mate. They hate the players, they hate the coach and they hate the club. Ignore them.
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Posts like this ruin camaraderie amongst fans and keep other fans from posting their opinions on these forums.
 
Some these comments are laughable…..

JWH is a quality a player no doubt, but so is Woods!

This whole fear factor and alike is a myth. NRL players arent scared of being tackled hard and having someone run hard at them.

It is all about effectiveness, although charging into the defence revs the fans up, it is no more beneficial than using a bit of footwork at the line getting between 2 players and driving a couple more metres.

It is not about showing how tough you are it is about getting the side going forward to give the backs a chance to show their stuff.

There is a good reason why Woods is an automatic selection for every rep side.
 
I started a thread about Woods taking the mantle as the top AUS prop during the early SOO game last year when he showed a bit of mongrel and ripped into the maroons and finding his front, having been far and away the form frontrower in the comp.

I was wrong, though he is is a good player and did still deserve the Daly M from that first half of the year plus.
 
@Goose said:
Some these comments are laughable…..

JWH is a quality a player no doubt, but so is Woods!

This whole fear factor and alike is a myth. NRL players arent scared of being tackled hard and having someone run hard at them.

It is all about effectiveness, although charging into the defence revs the fans up, it is no more beneficial than using a bit of footwork at the line getting between 2 players and driving a couple more metres.

It is not about showing how tough you are it is about getting the side going forward to give the backs a chance to show their stuff.

There is a good reason why Woods is an automatic selection for every rep side.
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I agree with the effectiveness comment. Who cares if players are scary. It's not a children's book about the big bad monster.

Woods though for mine just doesn't dominate enough games. Did he stand up in origin ? Did he stand up against the Roosters pack ? How often does he stand up and lead us to a win ? He is a quality player though. I think our pack needs someone like Taupau.
 
JWH would respect Woods but certainly wouldn't fear him

Woods need an injection of James Graham's blood , to give him that killer instinct , kill or be killed mentality

Watch when JWH or Bromwich or James Graham or Gallen play each other , they basically go to war against each other to get the upper hand over the other
 
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