Work needed but Tigers looking good for 2017

[GNR4LIFE]

If i saw players out on the town before a big game i'd probably take a picture or two and post them to back up the story. Hard to take a claim like that seriously without evidence.

 

[rex2ce]

Matt Ballin is not a first grader anymore. There is no speed in his delivery, he seldom runs and isn't physical enough to have an impact in defence. He was always lucky at Manly to play behind a good pack and be flanked by assertive halves. It's all well and good to believe in your own fitness but if the evidence is telling you something else, 2 ACLs and the wrong side of 30 - then you cut your losses and move on. If he plays this season we may as well have our end of season function before the season begins.

Littlejohn is also a park footballer. Brooks is incredibly frustrating but we have from now until the start of next season to get him right. He needs to be coached properly. I despise Jason Taylor - I cannot indicate how much I dislike him on this forum. He needs to pull his finger out and either pay attention to the plethora of shortcoming in Brooks game or, which is highly unlikely due to his inability to compete with anyone elses opinion, bring in an Andrew Johns style mentor for Brooks and Moses in the same way that Joey helped develop Cherry-Evans and Foran. Maybe the club should approach Harry Triguboff to
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finance such an arrangement.

Littlejohn is not a first grade half. His kicking positions are terrible. He does not organise his outside runners at all. It's great that he has tried his best for us but that is where it ends. At a club with a winning culture and formula these blokes would never get a look in - so they shouldn't get a look in here either.

When are we going to stop trying to convince ourselves that mediocre players are all of a sudden going to become good at our club. Unless you have a Craig Bellamy style coach you cannot support these sub par types in your football team. While Bellamy is proof that you can coach anyone - Ryan Morgan and Cheyse Blair - you also need to have the skills as a coach to get the best out of your players. Jason Taylor is not a good coach in both psychological and knowledge based aspects of the job requirements. Therefore our capacity to support average footballers or footballers who need to work harder but have talent - Brooks, Sirronen, Moses, Nofa - is greatly reduced. Craig Bellamy would have Sirronen knocking on the door of NSW selection - Jason Taylor has him playing park football. How can we support players like Matt Ballin and Littlejohn who weren't even born with any talent in the first place when it's clear that our talented players can't even get it right?

The future for us is bleak without the right coaches and the right structures in place. These players need to realise that they are no longer young men, with plenty of chances still available and room for error still afforded to them - they are men. They are professional men who are employed by an important organisation to do a job for a body of support that has given them an opportunity in life to do something thoroughly enjoyable - but with the expectation that they deliver having been given the opportunity.

Brooks and Moses have played two years of first grade now. They are not rookies anymore - they are footballers. Look at what they are producing. Moses is definitely playing better than Brooks but look at other footballers of similar ages in the same positions - Foran and Cherry-Evans were taking their team to grand finals at the same age - Benji lead his team to a premiership in 2005 after two years of grade. Simply hoping for better returns year after year is never going to make these halves better players. Coaching, culture, work ethic and life skills is what is going to open the doors of potential for these two and others to succeed as professional footballers.

Cooper Cronk is a strange bloke and Cameron Smith makes me sick every time he talks but look at them as men. They are driven professionals whose dedication to their craft is second to none. They are not proud of themselves for merely existing - they are proud because they produce the results in their chosen field that gives them not only satisfaction, but also the credibility to justify themselves as professionals and as men. They are excellent at what they do because they work hard and value the results that come from this work.

Some of the Tigers players were drinking at my local pub the night before the Raiders game! Do you think that any team that was serious about winning football games or even serious about themselves as blokes would allow their team mates to be out the night before a game of that importance? Of course they wouldn't.

Our problems lie within our lack of culture and our players lack of understanding of the task at hand. Supporting ordinary footballers is another part of that issue but it is clear that with the right structures, processes, information and people in place you can support not only ordinary players but you can also make them good professionals as well.

Our club needs wholesale changes at every level from head office to playing personnel and everything in between.

We aren't going to play finals next season and we sure wont be in contention for a premiership for a long time if we keep making excuses for the pitfalls of our club and not respecting our organisation for what it is.

HarryHaller, if you know the names of the players who were out drinking the night before the Raiders game ( assuming they were first graders) you should give there names to the Tigers board to be dealt with!

 

[cqtiger]

Matt Ballin is not a first grader anymore. There is no speed in his delivery, he seldom runs and isn't physical enough to have an impact in defence. He was always lucky at Manly to play behind a good pack and be flanked by assertive halves. It's all well and good to believe in your own fitness but if the evidence is telling you something else, 2 ACLs and the wrong side of 30 - then you cut your losses and move on. If he plays this season we may as well have our end of season function before the season begins.

Littlejohn is also a park footballer. Brooks is incredibly frustrating but we have from now until the start of next season to get him right. He needs to be coached properly. I despise Jason Taylor - I cannot indicate how much I dislike him on this forum. He needs to pull his finger out and either pay attention to the plethora of shortcoming in Brooks game or, which is highly unlikely due to his inability to compete with anyone elses opinion, bring in an Andrew Johns style mentor for Brooks and Moses in the same way that Joey helped develop Cherry-Evans and Foran. Maybe the club should approach Harry Triguboff to finance such an arrangement.

Littlejohn is not a first grade half. His kicking positions are terrible. He does not organise his outside runners at all. It's great that he has tried his best for us but that is where it ends. At a club with a winning culture and formula these blokes would never get a look in - so they shouldn't get a look in here either.

When are we going to stop trying to convince ourselves that mediocre players are all of a sudden going to become good at our club. Unless you have a Craig Bellamy style coach you cannot support these sub par types in your football team. While Bellamy is proof that you can coach anyone - Ryan Morgan and Cheyse Blair - you also need to have the skills as a coach to get the best out of your players. Jason Taylor is not a good coach in both psychological and knowledge based aspects of the job requirements. Therefore our capacity to support average footballers or footballers who need to work harder but have talent - Brooks, Sirronen, Moses, Nofa - is greatly reduced. Craig Bellamy would have Sirronen knocking on the door of NSW selection - Jason Taylor has him playing park football. How can we support players like Matt Ballin and Littlejohn who weren't even born with any talent in the first place when it's clear that our talented players can't even get it right?

The future for us is bleak without the right coaches and the right structures in place. These players need to realise that they are no longer young men, with plenty of chances still available and room for error still afforded to them - they are men. They are professional men who are employed by an important organisation to do a job for a body of support that has given them an opportunity in life to do something thoroughly enjoyable - but with the expectation that they deliver having been given the opportunity.

Brooks and Moses have played two years of first grade now. They are not rookies anymore - they are footballers. Look at what they are producing. Moses is definitely playing better than Brooks but look at other footballers of similar ages in the same positions - Foran and Cherry-Evans were taking their team to grand finals at the same age - Benji lead his team to a premiership in 2005 after two years of grade. Simply hoping for better returns year after year is never going to make these halves better players. Coaching, culture, work ethic and life skills is what is going to open the doors of potential for these two and others to succeed as professional footballers.

Cooper Cronk is a strange bloke and Cameron Smith makes me sick every time he talks but look at them as men. They are driven professionals whose dedication to their craft is second to none. They are not proud of themselves for merely existing - they are proud because they produce the results in their chosen field that gives them not only satisfaction, but also the credibility to justify themselves as professionals and as men. They are excellent at what they do because they work hard and value the results that come from this work.

Some of the Tigers players were drinking at my local pub the night before the Raiders game! Do you think that any team that was serious about winning football games or even serious about themselves as blokes would allow their team mates to be out the night before a game of that importance? Of course they wouldn't.

Our problems lie within our lack of culture and our players lack of understanding of the task at hand. Supporting ordinary footballers is another part of that issue but it is clear that with the right structures, processes, information and people in place you can support not only ordinary players but you can also make them good professionals as well.

Our club needs wholesale changes at every level from head office to playing personnel and everything in between.

We aren't going to play finals next season and we sure wont be in contention for a premiership for a long time if we keep making excuses for the pitfalls of our club and not respecting our organisation for what it is.

One of the best posts on here for the last couple of years, And well thought through.
The opinions of the individual players is very accurate, although a some here will have a fit when they read it.
Mediocrity has always had a home here, and unfortunately nothing has shown me that that has changed
if your post is read without blind allegiance to anyone here, but objectively, i think a lot would agree with most of it.
well said

Not a bad post but lacking full objectivity.
Saying the Ballin was born without any talent proves my point. There is an axe to grind here.

I agree we lack the cattle and that won't change next year either. I also agree about the culture but I can see that new management are trying to change that - re the Farah saga. If you think that JT was the lone voice on this then there is no convincing you that night follows day.

Footballers having a drink before a game - that would be a first and how dare they! Some information is missing here. If they were drunken sods I would be alarmed?

Bellamy getting Sirro to rep honours? He's represented City but why didn't Bellamy take Sirro when he had the chance this year? I was led to believe Sirro wanted out and only signed because it was in his favour for next year anyway.

Like I said it wasn't a bad post but full of bias all the same.

 

[cktiger]

It's true as true. Some players were still there drinking beers at 11pm.

This doesnt surprise me. **When the captain of the team describes his position as 'just a job**' the lack of intensity filters through the rest of the squad. Biggest game of the year tomorrow? Meh its your shout bro…..

Unfortunately doesn't surprise me either - do you think any players from the elite sides would be out before such a big game?
Their coaches would never allow it.
I like Woods, but not as a captain who thinks it's 'just a job"
Our previous captain gets bagged by his own supporters - and he considered the position with respect,honour and pride.
To be honest I'm not too sure how many blokes are in our team now who have a real pride to be playing in our colours , and it's reflected on the field.

 

[Sco77y]

Matt Ballin is not a first grader anymore. There is no speed in his delivery, he seldom runs and isn't physical enough to have an impact in defence. He was always lucky at Manly to play behind a good pack and be flanked by assertive halves. It's all well and good to believe in your own fitness but if the evidence is telling you something else, 2 ACLs and the wrong side of 30 - then you cut your losses and move on. If he plays this season we may as well have our end of season function before the season begins.

Littlejohn is also a park footballer. Brooks is incredibly frustrating but we have from now until the start of next season to get him right. He needs to be coached properly. I despise Jason Taylor - I cannot indicate how much I dislike him on this forum. He needs to pull his finger out and either pay attention to the plethora of shortcoming in Brooks game or, which is highly unlikely due to his inability to compete with anyone elses opinion, bring in an Andrew Johns style mentor for Brooks and Moses in the same way that Joey helped develop Cherry-Evans and Foran. Maybe the club should approach Harry Triguboff to finance such an arrangement.

Littlejohn is not a first grade half. His kicking positions are terrible. He does not organise his outside runners at all. It's great that he has tried his best for us but that is where it ends. At a club with a winning culture and formula these blokes would never get a look in - so they shouldn't get a look in here either.

When are we going to stop trying to convince ourselves that mediocre players are all of a sudden going to become good at our club. Unless you have a Craig Bellamy style coach you cannot support these sub par types in your football team. While Bellamy is proof that you can coach anyone - Ryan Morgan and Cheyse Blair - you also need to have the skills as a coach to get the best out of your players. Jason Taylor is not a good coach in both psychological and knowledge based aspects of the job requirements. Therefore our capacity to support average footballers or footballers who need to work harder but have talent - Brooks, Sirronen, Moses, Nofa - is greatly reduced. Craig Bellamy would have Sirronen knocking on the door of NSW selection - Jason Taylor has him playing park football. How can we support players like Matt Ballin and Littlejohn who weren't even born with any talent in the first place when it's clear that our talented players can't even get it right?

The future for us is bleak without the right coaches and the right structures in place. These players need to realise that they are no longer young men, with plenty of chances still available and room for error still afforded to them - they are men. They are professional men who are employed by an important organisation to do a job for a body of support that has given them an opportunity in life to do something thoroughly enjoyable - but with the expectation that they deliver having been given the opportunity.

Brooks and Moses have played two years of first grade now. They are not rookies anymore - they are footballers. Look at what they are producing. Moses is definitely playing better than Brooks but look at other footballers of similar ages in the same positions - Foran and Cherry-Evans were taking their team to grand finals at the same age - Benji lead his team to a premiership in 2005 after two years of grade. Simply hoping for better returns year after year is never going to make these halves better players. Coaching, culture, work ethic and life skills is what is going to open the doors of potential for these two and others to succeed as professional footballers.

Cooper Cronk is a strange bloke and Cameron Smith makes me sick every time he talks but look at them as men. They are driven professionals whose dedication to their craft is second to none. They are not proud of themselves for merely existing - they are proud because they produce the results in their chosen field that gives them not only satisfaction, but also the credibility to justify themselves as professionals and as men. They are excellent at what they do because they work hard and value the results that come from this work.

Some of the Tigers players were drinking at my local pub the night before the Raiders game! Do you think that any team that was serious about winning football games or even serious about themselves as blokes would allow their team mates to be out the night before a game of that importance? Of course they wouldn't.

Our problems lie within our lack of culture and our players lack of understanding of the task at hand. Supporting ordinary footballers is another part of that issue but it is clear that with the right structures, processes, information and people in place you can support not only ordinary players but you can also make them good professionals as well.

Our club needs wholesale changes at every level from head office to playing personnel and everything in between.

We aren't going to play finals next season and we sure wont be in contention for a premiership for a long time if we keep making excuses for the pitfalls of our club and not respecting our organisation for what it is.

Who were the players you saw?

 

[Eddie]

Its very early days but I have a bad vibe around 2017\. If anyone thinks Balin will add anything to the side i think they are having a laugh. I just see a good bloke who is crying our for retirement. will be slow and desperately short of form or fitness. Will add nothing, zero.

I think this year some teams fell over and we had a chance to capitalise.

I worry if Taylor can really motivate this squad and take them to the next level.

I could be wrong, but if someone asked me for an answer right now I would say we might go backwards and the coach will be right under the pump.

 

[TCL]

Its very early days but I have a bad vibe around 2017\. If anyone thinks Balin will add anything tooth's side i think they are having a laugh. I just see a good bloke who is crying our for retirement. will be slow and desperately short of rom.

I think this year some teams fell over and we had a chance to capitalise.

I worry if Taylor can really motivate this squad and take them to the next level.

I could be wrong, but if someone asked me for an answer right now I would say we might go backwards and the coach will be right under the pump.

You could be on the money or ….. stranger things have happened. At the end of last year did you see those teams falling? I didn't, i had us coming in 10 to 14th in my head, my heart was top 4! I also thought we would finish below the worriers and above the titans and look how that turned out.

 

[Flippedy]

It's true as true. Some players were still there drinking beers at 11pm.

This doesnt surprise me. When the captain of the team describes his position as 'just a job' the lack of intensity filters through the rest of the squad. Biggest game of the year tomorrow? Meh its your shout bro…..

That's unbelievable! And extremely disappointing - a real slap in the face for the fans who rocked up to Leichhardt with high expectations and paid good money only to have to sit through that insipid performance :angry:

 

[Bird is the Word]

Its very early days but I have a bad vibe around 2017\. If anyone thinks Balin will add anything tooth's side i think they are having a laugh. I just see a good bloke who is crying our for retirement. will be slow and desperately short of rom.

I think this year some teams fell over and we had a chance to capitalise.

I worry if Taylor can really motivate this squad and take them to the next level.

I could be wrong, but if someone asked me for an answer right now I would say we might go backwards and the coach will be right under the pump.

If you are right, guess the good thing is we only have Taylor engaged for next year, so we won't be paying out large sums to coaches unnecessarily…

Whilst i dont think he is perfect, i think he does have some good attributes, whether they are enough for success, time will tell... One thing is for sure, there won't be any excuses for failure next year...

 

[Eddie]

It's true as true. Some players were still there drinking beers at 11pm.

This doesnt surprise me. **When the captain of the team describes his position as 'just a job**' the lack of intensity filters through the rest of the squad. Biggest game of the year tomorrow? Meh its your shout bro…..

Unfortunately doesn't surprise me either - do you think any players from the elite sides would be out before such a big game?
Their coaches would never allow it.
I like Woods, but not as a captain who thinks it's 'just a job"
Our previous captain gets bagged by his own supporters - and he considered the position with respect,honour and pride.
To be honest I'm not too sure how many blokes are in our team now who have a real pride to be playing in our colours , and it's reflected on the field.

Thats why I will go down swinging with Robbie.

He hurt like hell when we lost.

You could see it.

I know he is far from perfect.

However I have not seen many Tigers wear losses and wins like RF.

 

[tiga4eva]

So name the players then

 

[TYGA]

We lack professionals who work hard and play hard. Soft options, run out of the way of big forwards out wide and try the hail mary plays too often. Weak team that needs to toughen up and needs some hard heads brought in. Matagi or Moa would be a start and some power out wide in Evans (edge back row).
MCK to centre and Simona on the wing Naiqama to be released he will get a gig elsewhere.

 

[innsaneink]

So many "supporters" quick to put faith in some anonymous user who's been here all of five minutes.

 

[innsaneink]

We lack professionals who work hard and play ha**_rd. Soft options, run out of the way of big forwards out wide_** and try the hail mary plays too often. Weak team that needs to toughen up and needs some hard heads brought in. Matagi or Moa would be a start and some power out wide in Evans (edge back row).
MCK to centre and Simona on the wing Naiqama to be released he will get a gig elsewhere.

When did this occur… Despite our teams defensive failings.... I never saw one player run out of an opposition players way.

 

[supercoach]

I am always hopeful and realistic about the next season and 2017 is no different. To be honest although the coach plays a important role in the teams success I do not think he is the difference between a crap season and a great season. For me it all comes down to the cattle you have at your disposal and do they have any improvement in them.

So when I look at our squad what do I see

1..a see a couple of players who are right up there with the best in the NRL at their respective positions,one probably can still go higher and one probably will level out..

2..a few who will get better in 2017 and next season we will know if they will make it to the top bracket…

3..a couple after rookie years could go either way

4 a handful of experienced troopers who are not going to get better and could drop off a little
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5 and a few who are not there now and never will be

So with that in mind and the fact we are highly unlikely to be able to add any real quality to this squad I can not see us doing any better in 2017 and would suggest we will probably drop a peg or two. Of course in the NRL anything can happen, but history tells you 90% of the time the best team wins the comp

 

[TCL]

They were at the pub but didn't swallow the beers!

Mate you should have shouted them a round or two and told them how you feel, I always play golf better when I'm hung over!

 

[jctiger]

Matt Ballin is not a first grader anymore. There is no speed in his delivery, he seldom runs and isn't physical enough to have an impact in defence. He was always lucky at Manly to play behind a good pack and be flanked by assertive halves. It's all well and good to believe in your own fitness but if the evidence is telling you something else, 2 ACLs and the wrong side of 30 - then you cut your losses and move on. If he plays this season we may as well have our end of season function before the season begins.

Littlejohn is also a park footballer. Brooks is incredibly frustrating but we have from now until the start of next season to get him right. He needs to be coached properly. I despise Jason Taylor - I cannot indicate how much I dislike him on this forum. He needs to pull his finger out and either pay attention to the plethora of shortcoming in Brooks game or, which is highly unlikely due to his inability to compete with anyone elses opinion, bring in an Andrew Johns style mentor for Brooks and Moses in the same way that Joey helped develop Cherry-Evans and Foran. Maybe the club should approach Harry Triguboff to finance such an arrangement.

Littlejohn is not a first grade half. His kicking positions are terrible. He does not organise his outside runners at all. It's great that he has tried his best for us but that is where it ends. At a club with a winning culture and formula these blokes would never get a look in - so they shouldn't get a look in here either.

When are we going to stop trying to convince ourselves that mediocre players are all of a sudden going to become good at our club. Unless you have a Craig Bellamy style coach you cannot support these sub par types in your football team. While Bellamy is proof that you can coach anyone - Ryan Morgan and Cheyse Blair - you also need to have the skills as a coach to get the best out of your players. Jason Taylor is not a good coach in both psychological and knowledge based aspects of the job requirements. Therefore our capacity to support average footballers or footballers who need to work harder but have talent - Brooks, Sirronen, Moses, Nofa - is greatly reduced. Craig Bellamy would have Sirronen knocking on the door of NSW selection - Jason Taylor has him playing park football. How can we support players like Matt Ballin and Littlejohn who weren't even born with any talent in the first place when it's clear that our talented players can't even get it right?

The future for us is bleak without the right coaches and the right structures in place. These players need to realise that they are no longer young men, with plenty of chances still available and room for error still afforded to them - they are men. They are professional men who are employed by an important organisation to do a job for a body of support that has given them an opportunity in life to do something thoroughly enjoyable - but with the expectation that they deliver having been given the opportunity.

Brooks and Moses have played two years of first grade now. They are not rookies anymore - they are footballers. Look at what they are producing. Moses is definitely playing better than Brooks but look at other footballers of similar ages in the same positions - Foran and Cherry-Evans were taking their team to grand finals at the same age - Benji lead his team to a premiership in 2005 after two years of grade. Simply hoping for better returns year after year is never going to make these halves better players. Coaching, culture, work ethic and life skills is what is going to open the doors of potential for these two and others to succeed as professional footballers.

Cooper Cronk is a strange bloke and Cameron Smith makes me sick every time he talks but look at them as men. They are driven professionals whose dedication to their craft is second to none. They are not proud of themselves for merely existing - they are proud because they produce the results in their chosen field that gives them not only satisfaction, but also the credibility to justify themselves as professionals and as men. They are excellent at what they do because they work hard and value the results that come from this work.

**Some of the Tigers players were drinking at my local pub the night before the Raiders game! Do you think that any team that was serious about winning football games or even serious about themselves as blokes would allow their team mates to be out the night before a game of that importance? Of course they wouldn't.**

Our problems lie within our lack of culture and our players lack of understanding of the task at hand. Supporting ordinary footballers is another part of that issue but it is clear that with the right structures, processes, information and people in place you can support not only ordinary players but you can also make them good professionals as well.

Our club needs wholesale changes at every level from head office to playing personnel and everything in between.

We aren't going to play finals next season and we sure wont be in contention for a premiership for a long time if we keep making excuses for the pitfalls of our club and not respecting our organisation for what it is.

So if you saw the players out drinking that night, name them and shame them.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

What a rant with a sprinkling of complete b.s. Players out drinking - whatever.

 

[tigeress]

Matt Ballin is not a first grader anymore. There is no speed in his delivery, he seldom runs and isn't physical enough to have an impact in defence. He was always lucky at Manly to play behind a good pack and be flanked by assertive halves. It's all well and good to believe in your own fitness but if the evidence is telling you something else, 2 ACLs and the wrong side of 30 - then you cut your losses and move on. If he plays this season we may as well have our end of season function before the season begins.

Littlejohn is also a park footballer. Brooks is incredibly frustrating but we have from now until the start of next season to get him right. He needs to be coached properly. I despise Jason Taylor - I cannot indicate how much I dislike him on this forum. He needs to pull his finger out and either pay attention to the plethora of shortcoming in Brooks game or, which is highly unlikely due to his inability to compete with anyone elses opinion, bring in an Andrew Johns style mentor for Brooks and Moses in the same way that Joey helped develop Cherry-Evans and Foran. Maybe the club should approach Harry Triguboff to finance such an arrangement.

Littlejohn is not a first grade half. His kicking positions are terrible. He does not organise his outside runners at all. It's great that he has tried his best for us but that is where it ends. At a club with a winning culture and formula these blokes would never get a look in - so they shouldn't get a look in here either.

When are we going to stop trying to convince ourselves that mediocre players are all of a sudden going to become good at our club. Unless you have a Craig Bellamy style coach you cannot support these sub par types in your football team. While Bellamy is proof that you can coach anyone - Ryan Morgan and Cheyse Blair - you also need to have the skills as a coach to get the best out of your players. Jason Taylor is not a good coach in both psychological and knowledge based aspects of the job requirements. Therefore our capacity to support average footballers or footballers who need to work harder but have talent - Brooks, Sirronen, Moses, Nofa - is greatly reduced. Craig Bellamy would have Sirronen knocking on the door of NSW selection - Jason Taylor has him playing park football. How can we support players like Matt Ballin and Littlejohn who weren't even born with any talent in the first place when it's clear that our talented players can't even get it right?

The future for us is bleak without the right coaches and the right structures in place. These players need to realise that they are no longer young men, with plenty of chances still available and room for error still afforded to them - they are men. They are professional men who are employed by an important organisation to do a job for a body of support that has given them an opportunity in life to do something thoroughly enjoyable - but with the expectation that they deliver having been given the opportunity.

Brooks and Moses have played two years of first grade now. They are not rookies anymore - they are footballers. Look at what they are producing. Moses is definitely playing better than Brooks but look at other footballers of similar ages in the same positions - Foran and Cherry-Evans were taking their team to grand finals at the same age - Benji lead his team to a premiership in 2005 after two years of grade. Simply hoping for better returns year after year is never going to make these halves better players. Coaching, culture, work ethic and life skills is what is going to open the doors of potential for these two and others to succeed as professional footballers.

Cooper Cronk is a strange bloke and Cameron Smith makes me sick every time he talks but look at them as men. They are driven professionals whose dedication to their craft is second to none. They are not proud of themselves for merely existing - they are proud because they produce the results in their chosen field that gives them not only satisfaction, but also the credibility to justify themselves as professionals and as men. They are excellent at what they do because they work hard and value the results that come from this work.

Some of the Tigers players were drinking at my local pub the night before the Raiders game! Do you think that any team that was serious about winning football games or even serious about themselves as blokes would allow their team mates to be out the night before a game of that importance? Of course they wouldn't.

Our problems lie within our lack of culture and our players lack of understanding of the task at hand. Supporting ordinary footballers is another part of that issue but it is clear that with the right structures, processes, information and people in place you can support not only ordinary players but you can also make them good professionals as well.

Our club needs wholesale changes at every level from head office to playing personnel and everything in between.

We aren't going to play finals next season and we sure wont be in contention for a premiership for a long time if we keep making excuses for the pitfalls of our club and not respecting our organisation for what it is.

I'm afraid I have to go along with most of your comments here HH. However I hope you are wrong, because we will still have the same players same coaching staff (except for defence) and so the same way of doing things. :unamused:
I have just had a letter from WT for me to automatically renew my membership of 10 years. However I am pretty despondent regarding the last match. Not happy about the 52/10 flogging we got on our last attempt to get into the 8\. With Leichhardt sold out I thought that was a disgraceful display, but as you said some of the players were seen drinking the night before so that wouldn't have helped (if that is true)…....
Anyway I will give them another year and will expect to see improvement (no matter what you say !) 😛ray:

 

[Tigertigertiger]

Cool Story Bro!