WOULD IZZY ADD VALUE TO WESTS TIGERS

[OzLukeH]

Ivan would make the best decision for the club, but would think that he would ask some of the older players their opinion about something as so media heavy as Folou playing for us….

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

Let’s stick to football.
I may not agree with his religious views but in the end it’s his opinion .
He would be a great addition to our team however I don’t think it will not happen because he is too expensive and he is managed by Isaac Moses.

Mate, we could have saved a lot of typing if the thread title lead with . . . " MANAGED BY ISAAC MOSES" :bulb:
That would've turned us all away. The left, right, straight, gay, fluid, solid, all of us !

 

[Luke]

If we signed him for the rest of the year + next year - YES.

Why? We have money to spend. He's an incredibly gifted player and he isn't slowing down just yet. We need somebody to provide a spark or x-factor in our backline. I would have him playing in the centres to replace Kevin. Finally, there's nobody else decent enough off contract to target.

 

[Fibros]

Does he play on Sundays ?

Good question. Would like to hear from Izzy on that.

 

[cktiger]

He'd be a good signing (even more so because he's originally from Campbelltown), but league can't match the rugby dollars. Simple.

Whether you agree with him or not, he has huge balls to stick by his beliefs with all the heat he's copping.

Na

I think he is just rude

It's none of his business what people do with their private lives

I get the feeling (and yes its only my opinion ) that most people that think like that hide behind their religion when they would have the same feeling towards gays evenif they weren't religious

I just don't get why anyone thinks that gay people are some sought lower class citizen

He (originally) didn't come out and make a statement, write an essay, hold a public speech or run a hate campaign. Somebody just asked him a question on Instagram.

He also never said he hated homosexual people or that they were lower class citizens.

All he has done is express his religion's theological view and has stood by it.

I hear what you are saying and respect that.

I just believe comments like that hide a deeper feeling towards gays.

He also is in a position where he should know better than to make such comments.

Whoever queried him on it pretty much baited him knowing he would blab his mouth about his feelings.

My point is that i just can't comprehend such feelings towards others people.

Whether hidden behind religion or whatever there is no place in the 21st century for it.

Gay people don't need to repent their sins cos their not sinning.

Religions need to move with the times.

They are just the beliefs of people who have lived in the past tgat were written down and passed down through time.

They are not the be all and end all of life.

Yes everyone has a right to believe in what they want but some beliefs should be kept secret and that is one of them.

Gay people are normal people.

They are not a topic.

This shouldn't even be a debate cos his statement didn't even need to be said

Unfortunately you are now telling people who have these beliefs they are idiots and should believe the same as you - basically what you are criticising him for.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

For the right price we would be crazy not to grab him - he would be a massive upgrade to what we have on the wings, center or fullback.

DWZ isn’t in the same ball park & Kev is off contract end of season nor in the same ball park either.

 

[cktiger]

People defending free speech. My question, is there a limit to free speech? Or can you say absolutely anything when you are in the public spotlight? Somehow i don't think you can.

I guess it's not free speech if you limit what can or can't be said?

So if i said the most said the most vicious things about you, like i think you should be killed, then hid behind free speech, that would be ok? Extreme example but how far is too far. Id say when it is said against you, you would feel differently.

This is the point about whether free speech means being allowed to shout "fire" in a crowded theatre. We have laws against hate speech, and the fact that Folau isn't being prosecuted under them shows what a load of crap the old "lefties won't let other people have their say" argument is. Folau's free to say that he's a homophobe, and other people are allowed to say they think Folau is a wanker as a result. That's free speech on both sides.

Seems most people attacking him are obviously not religious so why would they be concerned if he says they are going to a place they don’t believe exists?
If you read what he has written afterwards he says he himself is a sinner and knows all he has to do is reconcile himself with his God to be ok … same as he said about homosexuals. He also said he has gays in his family ... and has even appeared on the front cover of a gay magazine to promote a gay rugby tournament.
Still sound like the devil?
PS I’m not an overly religious person but believe he is being persecuted because he is.

 

[trumper]

Personally I couldn't care less which god he believes in.

Considering the public stance of the ARU towards being inclusive of homosexuals, the fact that the CEO of the major sponsor of the Wallabies is an open homosexual, and also the clear desire of the ailing ARU not to upset him; Folau has revealed that he is either too stupid, too stubborn or too convinced of his own importance to follow the game plan.

For me that is enough not to want him anywhere near my football team - a team which has, despite the sidelining of their highest-paid and most famous player, continued to succeed with the attitude that if a man falls in the front line, there is a willing and able man there to replace him.

Look at how Hayne derailed not only the Gold Coast but also Neil Henry in 2017.

 

[DonnyBrasco]

Let’s stick to football.
I may not agree with his religious views but in the end it’s his opinion .
He would be a great addition to our team however I don’t think it will not happen because he is too expensive and he is managed by Isaac Moses.

Mate, we could have saved a lot of typing if the thread title lead with . . . " MANAGED BY ISAAC MOSES" :bulb:
That would've turned us all away. The left, right, straight, gay, fluid, solid, all of us !

You just saved me five pages :laughing:

 

[Tiger_Steve]

We have a number of fiercely religious guys in our team.

It's likely some will hold the same views as Izzy.

You're living under a rock if you think that everyone is love and mung beans when it comes to this topic.

To say Folau is a DH for expressing a view is the same of saying you're a DH for expressing your view isn't it?

Let's keep politics out of sport….

Folau was the one **who brought it up himself**, he's brought the politics into the sporting sphere himself and is a DH for doing so. He's entitled to his views, but as has been said on here before, he doesn't work for himself alone, he has an employer who has a public image linked to financial outcomes, and he is damaging that brand.

So Izzy is a DH because he puts himself first, cannot help but make public statements condemning certain lifestyles and generally hasn't learned to pull his stupid head in.

Plenty of Christians in our team as you note, who don't force their views or opinions into the public sphere. Also plenty of Christians who don't privately condemn homosexuals - it isn't all or nothing.

He was asked a question and gave **his honest opinion**.
I can't see how that is forcing his opinion on the public …. unlike the sponsors of his code.
It's funny how people spout inclusiveness yet are happy to condemn anyone who doesn't agree with their views.

He was asked his opinion on instagram and he doesn't have to respond.

Smart folks say "no comment" or just don't engage with every troll who throws up a topical question.

What he in fact said is that homosexuals are going to hell. Not just "my religion teaches that homosexuality is immoral" or some such, they are going to hell.

Now imagine if Izzy had said "All Jews are going to hell, also black people. All babies born out of wedlock are going to hell and all adulterers and divorcees also." That may still in fact be his opinion.

What happens if Paul Gallen comes out tomorrow and says "I've always hated Polynesians, they smell like coconuts and I can't stand being anywhere near them".

All opinions, nothing expressly illegal. But not smart public commentary.

Sponsors are allowed to force opinions. They pay money for that right, they purchase the air time and the jersey space.

You miss the point totally, the rugby administration is not condemning him for his views, they are concerned about the damage he is doing to their brand, as an employee. And Folau doesn't seem to care, they've tried to be quiet about it and have some meetings to discuss how he might make his controversial opinions less public, and he won't do it. You don't want that crap in a football side, it's Jarryd Hayne all over again, player not just bigger than the team, but bigger than the code.

BTW he didn't just say homosexuals were going to hell, he ended up in an interview quoting the whole verse:
the sexually immoral
idolaters
adulterers
thieves
the greedy
drunkards
revilers
swindlers

all going to hell in a handbasket.

Jesus, I’m stuffed!

 

[wmlmaster]

I want him just for his views and his beliefs but unfortunately for him I like the direction Ivan has taken with the “no big names” approach

 

[jirskyr]

Personally I couldn't care less which god he believes in.

Considering the public stance of the ARU towards being inclusive of homosexuals, the fact that the CEO of the major sponsor of the Wallabies is an open homosexual, and also the clear desire of the ailing ARU not to upset him; Folau has revealed that he is either too stupid, too stubborn or too convinced of his own importance to follow the game plan.

For me that is enough not to want him anywhere near my football team - a team which has, despite the sidelining of their highest-paid and most famous player, continued to succeed with the attitude that if a man falls in the front line, there is a willing and able man there to replace him.

Look at how Hayne derailed not only the Gold Coast but also Neil Henry in 2017.

Perfectly said.

All gays are going to hell and the CEO of your major sponsor is one of them. What a clever thing to say. Wait - "God made me do it".

 

[WT2K]

Before the season started I would have said yes but I like the no frills name approach to our recruitment

 

[Eddie]

I would be a bit wary of any player that has spend so long in Union and AFL.

I would rather go after a fullback who has been in the game the past few years and is on the rise.

 

[trumper]

(edited…double post)

 

[trumper]

Perfectly said.

All gays are going to hell and the CEO of your major sponsor is one of them. What a clever thing to say. Wait - "God made me do it".

Good point.

The man already has a shabby excuse prepared.

Tell Moses to let Israel part the Red Vee instead.

 

[trumper]

I would be a bit wary of any player that has spend so long in Union and AFL.

I would rather go after a fullback who has been in the game the past few years and is on the rise.

There's this cheap fullback running around in the NRL with a winning team.

From what I've seen he follows the ball like a hawk, scores when he has no right and puts his body on the line when defending.

His name is Corey Thompson

 

[larrycorowa]

He has criticised the ceo of rugby. The guy has nfi what is going on and is totally disrespectful of his employers. I would be tearing his contract up and saying thx and good luck.

 

[magpiecol]

He is perfectly entitled to his opinion as you are to yours.

It's called "free speech ".

 

[jirskyr]

He is perfectly entitled to his opinion as you are to yours.

It's called "free speech ".

Cmon Col don't start this again.

99.9% of people on here agree he has a right to express himself however he likes = free speech. Nobody is stopping Folau. But there are consequences to free speech, and we appear 50/50 whether those consequences are fair or not.

Turns out ARU are doing nothing, no sanctions, nothing towards Folau so actually he's not been persecuted in any fashion, they just had a chat to him about his social media output.

If he wasn't the footballer he is, I expect there'd be a different result, so shows once again that football talent trumps everything else.

I wonder what anyone who thinks Folau can say whatever he likes and be left alone, I wonder what they think about Joel Monaghan or Pearcey simulating sex with dogs, or Todd Carney pretending to wee in his own mouth? Neither of those things are illegal and yet look at the consequences. What about a man's freedom to pee in his own bloody mouth? How dare you persecute such a freedom of artistic expression?