WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS

[philgood]

From the horse's mouth
https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/257129532847928/

He’s a cardiologist. His is talking outside his area of expertise. That makes him as about as relevant as you and I.

Mate what are you talking about. He was one of the doctors on the frontline treating covid patients when other doctors were telling them to go home and wait it out. He was the first doctor to write a published paper on how to treat covid.

He has made multiple false claims about Covid19 and the Covid19 vaccinations and natural immunity. He’s irrelevant. He is just a cardiologist and way out of his area of expertise. A lackey of a certain previous President.

False because the pharmaceutical company who is profiteering from experimental jab said so?

 

[jirskyr]

Whats the point of getting vaccinated against covid then? Why not just let your immune system deal with it? Thats what our natural immune system is meant to do. Attack foreign material

So you'd be happy to get infected and test the theory?

I think most of us would prefer a stimulated immune response.

It amazes me that at 4.3 MILLION deaths already we're still debating whether protection is a good idea. Not to mention the many millions more with long COVID and who my never live a normal life again.

Ive had 20 of my relatives overseas contract covid and ALL 20 have recovered. Including 1 aunty who is a 75 year old diabetic and another aunty whi had no symptoms at all.

COVID is definitely real but it mass vaccinations are not the answer. Most of the hospitalisations in UK and Israel are from people who have already been vaccinated.

Im not here to change anyone's mind. But coercion to get vaccinated is absolutely criminal. Especially considering numerous doctors on the frontline were having fantastic results using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). But do a google search on the drug and

Any statistic to support the most people in hospital are vaccinated statement?

No. They are getting confused that in highly-vaccinated countries, total numbers of hospital admission of vaccinated and non-vaccinated can sometimes similar. People have been harping on about it for a few weeks. So for example in a week they might have 100 vaccinated people in hospital and 75 unvaccinated people in hospital.

What they fail to understand is if you have, say, 50 million people vaccinated and 12.5 million unvaccinated (80%), then the vaccinated population is way bigger, and just by sheer numbers they may potentially match unvaccinated hospitalistion numbers at times. That's not to say the rates are the same of course.

In other words, say Astra Zeneca is 80% effective at preventing hospitalisation (compared to normal) and the standard hospitalisation rate for unvaccinated COVID is 10%. In my example, if all of the 12.5 million were infected with COVID, 10% of them would end up in hospital = 1.25 million hospitalised. If all the 50 million vaccinated were also infected with COVID (not possible, but for argument's sake lets say they are), they would have an 80% reduction in standard hospitalisation, i.e. be hospitalised at a rate of 2% = 1 million hospitalised.

Now those that aren't good at maths would equate 1.25 million and 1 million and say that vaccines don't work. They fail to realise the basic concept that the vaccines have actually prevented the 50 million cohort from experiencing a standard 10% hospitalisation rate, so reduced the hospitalisation from 5 million to 1 million = they have kept 4 million people out of hospital.

But of course not everyone gets COVID at once and we are talking about much smaller numbers per week.

This article from the Royal College of GPs addresses it pretty well:
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/why-are-fully-vaccinated-people-increasingly-being

And this does not at all account for people who got sick with COVID during or just after their vaccination, when peak immunity had not yet developed in their body.

 

[mike]

From the horse's mouth
https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/257129532847928/

He’s a cardiologist. His is talking outside his area of expertise. That makes him as about as relevant as you and I.

Mate what are you talking about. He was one of the doctors on the frontline treating covid patients when other doctors were telling them to go home and wait it out. He was the first doctor to write a published paper on how to treat covid.

He has made multiple false claims about Covid19 and the Covid19 vaccinations and natural immunity. He’s irrelevant. He is just a cardiologist and way out of his area of expertise. A lackey of a certain previous President.

False because the pharmaceutical company who is profiteering from experimental jab said so?

No, false because they are false.

 

[jirskyr]

From the horse's mouth
https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/257129532847928/

One part you got right - the bloke is a horse.

 

[voice_of_reason]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

People like him and the misinformation he spreads is keeping us in lockdown because conspiracy theorists won't get vaccinated or wear a mask..

 

[earl]

Whats the point of getting vaccinated against covid then? Why not just let your immune system deal with it? Thats what our natural immune system is meant to do. Attack foreign material

So you'd be happy to get infected and test the theory?

I think most of us would prefer a stimulated immune response.

It amazes me that at 4.3 MILLION deaths already we're still debating whether protection is a good idea. Not to mention the many millions more with long COVID and who my never live a normal life again.

Ive had 20 of my relatives overseas contract covid and ALL 20 have recovered. Including 1 aunty who is a 75 year old diabetic and another aunty whi had no symptoms at all.

COVID is definitely real but it mass vaccinations are not the answer. Most of the hospitalisations in UK and Israel are from people who have already been vaccinated.

Im not here to change anyone's mind. But coercion to get vaccinated is absolutely criminal. Especially considering numerous doctors on the frontline were having fantastic results using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). But do a google search on the drug and

Any statistic to support the most people in hospital are vaccinated statement?

Yes I do but in reverse. Most people in hospital are unvaccinated.

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/54f57708-a529-4a33-9a44-b66d719070d9/note/7335c3ab-06ee-4121-aaff-a11904e68462.#page=1

Facts:-
1. 8 fold reduction in infections in USA vaccinated compared to unvaccinated.
2. 25 fold reduction in hospitalisations in USA vaccinated compared to unvaccinated.
3. 25 fold reduction in deths in USA vaccinated compared to unvaccinated.

Note that this is with a 60% vaccination rate. So the unvaccinated are the minority and they are copping it much more significantly.

I don't believe anyone can rationally look at the data and believe that getting vaccinated is not clearly the right decision for basically everyone.

 

[philgood]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology Dr Robert Malone has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

 

[earl]

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments.

No he didn't, he spread untruths and fake medicine and is being investigated for it. He's been widely discredited by his peers. As far as COVID is concerned he's a dangerous quack.

You're free to believe him (at your peril), but don't expect others to be on bended knee before him.

Only thing thats fake is your blind trust to an experimental jab. Instead we have many doctors like Dr Mcullough who have had great results treating covid.

For goodness sake even the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology Dr Robert Malone has spoken about the dangers of the spike protein created from the experimental jab.

None of this changes the data or the facts. You can call the vaccine experimental but it's saving lives left, right and centre.

Your subjective points are meaningless without data to back them up. Read the report on data in reality.

 

[philgood]

Doesnt all the censorship on vaccines cause red flags for anyone? Robust and healthy discussion is whats needed. Yet all the health experts with a differing view on the covid experimental jab are censored. Thats dangerous! Even me coming on here to discuss and everyone is triggered if my opinion differs from the mainstream narrative

 

[Spud_Murphy]

For those who have recently gotten their CV shot or who know they will get one soon, awesome for you. I can see how relieved you are and I’m so glad that this option is available for you.

For those who aren’t sure they will get one just yet, or already know that they never will, I want to throw some love and respect your way, too. I am happy that you have that choice. Medical freedom is important.

The wonderful thing about informed consent is that two people with the same information, can make two completely different choices and neither of them is right or wrong. That is what medical freedom is and should be.

There are benefits and risks to every medical procedure. Doing the “right thing” means you’ve weighed the risks and benefits for yourself, and are making an informed decision. The only wrong decision IMO is made purely out of fear, social pressure or emotional reactivity. If you have researched your decision and are comfortable with it....great!

What’s right for one person, may be wrong for the other. Both, on an intuitive and biological level. We’re all doing the best we can with the information we hopefully have spent time digging into.

Let this be a gentle reminder for all to please respect each other and be mindful of the message we put out there.

Is everyone “wrong” because they believe differently than you? They very likely have just as strong of a reason for their choice as you do.

💯Reminder this information is also part of ones personal health information act and you have the right to not answer when asked whether you choose to get the shot or not.

So whether you choose;
✅CV shot
✅No shot
✅Tequila shot 🤪
You’re okay in my books and I respect YOUR DECISION

You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.

 

[philgood]

From the horse's mouth
https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/257129532847928/

He’s a cardiologist. His is talking outside his area of expertise. That makes him as about as relevant as you and I.

Mate what are you talking about. He was one of the doctors on the frontline treating covid patients when other doctors were telling them to go home and wait it out. He was the first doctor to write a published paper on how to treat covid.

He has made multiple false claims about Covid19 and the Covid19 vaccinations and natural immunity. He’s irrelevant. He is just a cardiologist and way out of his area of expertise. A lackey of a certain previous President.

False because the pharmaceutical company who is profiteering from experimental jab said so?

No, false because they are false.

Again, MANY doctors with first hand evidence.

 

[philgood]

For those who have recently gotten their CV shot or who know they will get one soon, awesome for you. I can see how relieved you are and I’m so glad that this option is available for you.

For those who aren’t sure they will get one just yet, or already know that they never will, I want to throw some love and respect your way, too. I am happy that you have that choice. Medical freedom is important.

The wonderful thing about informed consent is that two people with the same information, can make two completely different choices and neither of them is right or wrong. That is what medical freedom is and should be.

There are benefits and risks to every medical procedure. Doing the “right thing” means you’ve weighed the risks and benefits for yourself, and are making an informed decision. The only wrong decision IMO is made purely out of fear, social pressure or emotional reactivity. If you have researched your decision and are comfortable with it....great!

What’s right for one person, may be wrong for the other. Both, on an intuitive and biological level. We’re all doing the best we can with the information we hopefully have spent time digging into.

Let this be a gentle reminder for all to please respect each other and be mindful of the message we put out there.

Is everyone “wrong” because they believe differently than you? They very likely have just as strong of a reason for their choice as you do.

💯Reminder this information is also part of ones personal health information act and you have the right to not answer when asked whether you choose to get the shot or not.

So whether you choose;
✅CV shot
✅No shot
✅Tequila shot 🤪
You’re okay in my books and I respect YOUR DECISION

You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.

Great post mate. No mandatory vaccines

 

[jirskyr]

Mate what are you talking about. He was one of the doctors on the frontline treating covid patients when other doctors were telling them to go home and wait it out. He was the first doctor to write a published paper on how to treat covid.

And he was wrong. He's being investigated for pushing fraudulent, wrong COVID advice.

I don't mean to be disrespectful but if you're listening to this guy for COVID information you need to seriously re-assess your medical advice.

You're the one that needs to start thinking for himself. He and many other doctors like him helped many patients through covid treatments. But no, the only way to navigate this is through unsafe experimental jab, whose long term effects are UNKNOWN

I hope you are aware of the extreme irony of claiming that pharma companies are profiteering, then relying on the claims/testimony of one person as the counter-evidence.

All the health authorities of the world are in bed with pharma companies - not 1 pharma company, but several of them, but Dr McCullough is the sole bastion of truth.

Surely, if there was a buck to be made from all this fraud, it would be every pharma company getting involved, not just those few that already make vaccines anyway?

You have heard of Occam's razor, right?

If you want to read more about Dr McCullough try these out:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-covid-19-vaccine-holocaust-the-latest-antivaccine-messaging/
https://healthfeedback.org/authors/peter-mccullough/
https://factcheck.afp.com/us-cardiologist-makes-false-claims-about-covid-19-vaccination

 

[earl]

Doesnt all the censorship on vaccines cause red flags for anyone? Robust and healthy discussion is whats needed. Yet all the health experts with a differing view on the covid experimental jab are censored. Thats dangerous! Even me coming on here to discuss and everyone is triggered if my opinion differs from the mainstream narrative

This is not a political issue. It's a health and science issue. We need to use the same facts. The facts are not at all what you are stating and therein lies the problem.

Agree on the facts and then add your opinion in relation to the facts.

You don't do that. It's got nothing at all to do with robust discussion. You need to have some facts to back up your point of view and you don't have that.

 

[earl]

You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.

Remember that guy who got high and drunk and ran over those kids. He believed his right to drink and drive was more important than any lives he put at risk.

He made the best decision for him but his decision impacted other people.

Your argument simply doesn't cut it.

 

[Pbulk]

Doesnt all the censorship on vaccines cause red flags for anyone? Robust and healthy discussion is whats needed. Yet all the health experts with a differing view on the covid experimental jab are censored. Thats dangerous! Even me coming on here to discuss and everyone is triggered if my opinion differs from the mainstream narrative

Choose what you want to do by all means, but what is the difference between people here that are following the so called "mainstream narrative" and you following this doctor and his narrative? Looking at it in that respect it almost seems like you are getting annoyed at people for doing exactly the same thing you are, albeit from a different side of the argument.

Also discussion is not equal to science, if it was we'd all have hoverboards.

 

[jirskyr]

I don’t believe anyone can rationally look

They don't take rational looks, that's the issue.

If you were to come into this conversation with a blank slate, without existing prejudices, then the evidence is overwhelming. Not just for the margin of protection of vaccines, but the weight of medical and scientific evidence supporting these vaccines.

You cannot fake science at this level on this scale, it's not possible. You can't get such a global consensus of scientists and doctors and health officials. I haven't seen a single virologist, infectious disease specialist or epidemiologist campaigning against vaccines or calling COVID a hoax. Consensus in science is important, because there will usually be dissenters and that is how science is supposed to work.

I mean there are people that really believe the Earth is flat, despite the fact that it can easily be proven to be a sphere. Luckily flat-Earthers don't specifically endanger other people's lives.

But when it comes not just to pharma but specifically vaccines, for some reason there is a pre-existing anti-vax, vaccine-sceptic, anti-govt or anti-pharma sentiment and those people rebuke the advice being given to them, because it contradicts their existing sentiment. So instead they go trawling for tidbits of information to prop up their pre-existing belief system, and the fervour of this activity is driven by the fear of the destruction of their beliefs. So it tends to get more extreme and more resistant to reason than the opposite.

 

[philgood]

You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.

Remember that guy who got high and drunk and ran over those kids. He believed his right to drink and drive was more important than any lives he put at risk.

He made the best decision for him but his decision impacted other people.

Your argument simply doesn't cut it.

No that wont work. I shouldnt have to take the vaccine in order to help protect someone else who has either had or hasnt had the vaccine. Makes no sense. Vaccines are meant to create immunity. This jab does not

 

[philgood]

Doesnt all the censorship on vaccines cause red flags for anyone? Robust and healthy discussion is whats needed. Yet all the health experts with a differing view on the covid experimental jab are censored. Thats dangerous! Even me coming on here to discuss and everyone is triggered if my opinion differs from the mainstream narrative

This is not a political issue. It's a health and science issue. We need to use the same facts. The facts are not at all what you are stating and therein lies the problem.

Agree on the facts and then add your opinion in relation to the facts.

You don't do that. It's got nothing at all to do with robust discussion. You need to have some facts to back up your point of view and you don't have that.

Here's some facts for you. Double blind study too
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612

 

[jirskyr]

You’re NOT ok in my book when you start being rude to others because they made a decision that was BEST for them.

Remember that guy who got high and drunk and ran over those kids. He believed his right to drink and drive was more important than any lives he put at risk.

He made the best decision for him but his decision impacted other people.

Your argument simply doesn't cut it.

No that wont work. I shouldnt have to take the vaccine in order to help protect someone else who has either had or hasnt had the vaccine. Makes no sense. Vaccines are meant to create immunity. This jab does not

It makes complete sense. I don't know if you even understand what immunity means in a medical context.

"the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells."

Resist is the key word. There isn't a vaccine on Earth, literally, that induces 100% disease destruction. A few are close, none are perfect. If enough people are resistant, the disease struggles to obtain a foothold in the population, and declines. That is how vaccines have dampened many significant diseases and eradicated one or two.

Vaccines are far less effective if a significant % of the population doesn't have them, because the disease just breeds in the unvaccinated population. That's the entire strategy of vaccines, to induce population-wide resistance to disease.

So yes you do need to get vaccinated to protect both yourself and others. If you do not, you significantly increase the chance of negative COVID outcomes for yourself and your family. Fact.