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Campbelltown councillor says Wests Tigers have no intention of moving base to Macarthur region
June 28, 2017 The81stMinute 0 Comment Campbelltown, JUSTIN PASCOE, Macarthur, NRL, Paul Lake, Wests Tigers
BY CURTIS WOODWARD

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Current Campbelltown councillor and former mayor Paul Lake has taken aim at the Wests Tigers, Wests Ashfield and club officials saying they have little interest in the Macarthur region with the councillor inviting the South Sydney Rabitohs to play more games out of the stadium in the coming years.

Lake has told The81stMinute that local council are preparing to build a multi-million dollar sports centre of excellence at the Western Sydney University and have set aside room for Wests Tigers with access to state-of-the-art medical facilities – a monumental upgrade from the dilapidated Concord Oval precinct.

Frustrated fans are at tipping point with no apparent end in sight as the club pushes forward with plans to build its own centre of excellence at Concord.

“The problem as I see it is the Wests Tigers are missing an opportunity,” Lake told us.

“For some unknown reason, with Wests Ashfield now controlling it, they want to stay in there at Concord. They keep saying “we’ve got to look after the corporate people because most of our corporate money comes from the inner city area”. And they like to play at ANZ (Stadium) and have good facilities.

“Well you’re not going to get good facilities at Campbelltown unless you’ve got an anchor, unless you’ve got a club based there. It’s like Penrith. And like Manly. They haven’t been travelling all that well. Have a look at Manly’s figures a while back. Their figures were right down in their attendances. They (fans) sit at Manly, they sit at Penrith. They’ve got a local team. They’ve got locals that will follow them. We’ve got no local team. We’ve got a visiting team. And when you look at it, Wests Tigers, their board, if they were smart enough and sat down… I’ve met their board and I’ve told them when I was mayor about our sports centre of excellence that we’re going to do. They had the opportunity to be part of that and set up a whole training base and all their operations out here.

“When you consider that Campbelltown is a regional city which will probably be the capital of Macarthur and will be in the years ahead… it will have in the region Campbelltown, Camden, Wollondilly and even part of Liverpool and we’ll eventually have a million people living here.

“What better base would you want to expand your operations?

“I’m sorry, I just don’t get them. I’ve said it to them time and time again. I’ve spoken to Simon Cook, the CEO of Wests Ashfield, I’ve spoken to different people on the board and it’s like talking to a brick wall. “Oh no we’ve got contractual obligations with ANZ”. Yeah okay but that’s changed. ANZ has been taken back by the government. What I can’t work out is, our stadium at Campbelltown isn’t like ANZ or the Sydney Cricket Ground but you give us $100 million and we’ll make it a 25,000 seat stadium – all undercover – and with great facilities. We can do that.

“If you did a survey asking what football stadium has access to a train station and, we are closer than Homebush, what stadium has parking on both sides of the railway line which is all free, what stadium is only a stone’s throw from the M7, M5, M4 and down to the southern highlands. It’s Campbelltown Stadium.
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“You look at the growth out here; we’re also talking about Camden and south towards Appin. You’re talking a million people and that’s got to be at least 250,000 kids.”

Lake also revealed just how serious the Rabbitohs are about the Macarthur region as their membership numbers soar in the South West corridor with the NRL’s most famous club even considering playing future premiership games out of Campbelltown Stadium.

“I’ll tell you one organisation that has shown an interest here in Campbelltown and that is South Sydney. They were out here last year, they played a trial here. They told me they were going to try and do an NRL game here as well. All we need is somebody, it may not be league, it may be soccer. They’ve only got two teams in Sydney at the moment and they’re always talking about an extra team. Whoever comes here first is going to be best dressed because council aren’t going to sit back and wait on Wests Tigers ten years down the track. I can tell you for a fact. Council aren’t twiddling their thumbs.”

The councillor also told The81stMinute about an embarrassing moment for the club at last year’s local Christmas Carols where the Rabbitohs had more players on hand than the Wests Tigers.

“We had our Christmas Carols here last year. South Sydney had an arrangement with council to do some community work to build up their supporter base because their biggest supporter base is in the South West. That’s why they’re concentrating on this area. If Souths came out here, if the CEO of Souths said “we want to play at Campbelltown, we’re still going to train at Redfern but we also want to set up a training base at the university – at the centre of excellence”, I reckon councillors would say “you’re on”.

“Council told Wests Tigers about the Christmas Carols and they said they probably wouldn’t be able to provide any players. But when we mentioned Souths would be there, next minute we had Wests Tigers there. But how many Wests Tigers players did we have there? We got one from Wests and we had five from Souths. They don’t seem to be proactive about the whole thing.”

Old factions between the Magpies and Balmain continue to drag the new franchise into the abyss despite Wests Tigers’ new generation of supporters not having any allegiance to Western Suburbs or Balmain.

“When kids want to play, they want to play for Wests Tigers. This club has been around for 18 years now. These kids don’t care about Magpies and Balmain.

“Wests Tigers think, I believe, they think they’re doing do us a big favour playing four games each year at Campbelltown.”

But Lake says that’s not enough and Wests Tigers continue to refuse to embrace the region.

“They keep telling us they’re not coming out here. (Justin) Pascoe has made it quite clear they’re staying at Concord, he’s only the CEO, Wests Ashfield make the decisions. They’re not really connecting with the area; they’re not connecting with Wests Juniors or the Group 6 people. They have an attitude, “Campbelltown? Out that far?”

“The centre of excellence will be finished by 2019 or 2020\. There’s an area put aside for them to develop three levels, there’s playing fields there. They’ve got the stadium. It’s got great lights, great drainage on the field. Yes we know the stadium needs upgrading and if we’ve got an anchor team we can always go and get the funds to fix it right up, if we had that anchor team.

Much has been made about the guaranteed money Wests Tigers and other NRL teams make by taking games to Homebush and the costs to the club of playing home matches at Campbelltown and Leichhardt Oval. But Councillor Lake says Wests Tigers would not be disadvantaged by venue hire if they shifted their operation to the South West.

“All we’re asking is that they base themselves here, their office and their training, we’re not asking for the players to live here because we all travel to work. If they came out here and used the stadium, even if it was eight games a year, and we had the stadium upgraded to 25,000, council would work out an arrangement where they would not be at a disadvantage.

“What they want is ANZ Stadium which is guaranteed money; it doesn’t matter to them if you’ve got 5000 people in the ground or 20,000.

“You’re going to have a million people out here. Wests Tigers keep on talking about corporate dollars and bums on seats. Corporate dollars aren’t going to put bums on seats. The ones they need are the kids, the mums and dads.

“I’d like Souths to tell us they want to play four games out here next year and run the training sessions and invite all the kids and be active in the area.

“I think the response would be unreal.”

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What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.
 
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What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.

Having gone there from the first game the Magpies played at Orana park till the last I am in a pretty good position to make a point ..I am waiting for the seating plan at the new Stadium at Parramatta to reserve my 8 full membership season tickets ?.Campbelltown the place where NRL Clubs go to become extinct!
 
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What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.

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Campbelltown seem bitter Wests Ashfield are controlling the WTs. Yet Campbelltown doesn't want to put any money into the club. The club can only survive if it has a revenue coming in.
 
Are all councillors this dumb?
"You give us $100M and we'll build a 25,000 seat stadium"
"If Souths played one NRL game here …" (they don't and we play 4)

He also spoke about the cost of playing a game there. He basically said if the Wests Tigers committed to Campbelltown then the council would make sure the costs would be manageable - why not make that commitment for the 4 games we play there now? You know, what about the council actually showing that they want us there instead of charging exorbitant fees like they do.

I used to think that Campbelltown was our future, not anymore.
What I do know is that if we finally get a successful footy team that regularly make the finals, then we will fill stadiums - where ever they are.
 
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What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.

It was plenty full in round 2\. Can't expect a full house in 7 degree temperature, against an out of town team, in the middle of the losing streak we were in.
 
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What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.

It was plenty full in round 2\. Can't expect a full house in 7 degree temperature, against an out of town team, in the middle of the losing streak we were in.

12,232 isn't exactly jam packed
 
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What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.

It was plenty full in round 2\. Can't expect a full house in 7 degree temperature, against an out of town team, in the middle of the losing streak we were in.

12,232 isn't exactly jam packed

Double what was there the other night. Ctown has been bashed from pillar to post the last few years regarding crowd numbers, when the truth is, overall they aren't too much different to Leichhardt.
 
Are the Council elections coming up or what?
This sort of story comes out of Campbeltown regularly.
The place is struggling to draw a footy crowd even when the team is doing well.
There is always Sydney clubs sending out exploratory missions out there but it comes to nothing. It's just a corporate "dead zone" just like the Central Coast.
So I wouldn't lose sleep over this one.
Just another spike in our dart board!
 
I've read this before somewhere.

I reckon if feel isolated of I lived out there.
Weve always had to juggle factions wanting all of a JV not wanting to share… Over Making a hard decision for what is deemed in the clubs best interest while upsetting a lot of people.

Do we continue to be nomads.. Playing home games all over the place? Or do we grow a set and make a decision once and for all
 
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I've read this before somewhere.

I reckon if feel isolated of I lived out there.
Weve always had to juggle factions wanting all of a JV not wanting to share… Over Making a hard decision for what is deemed in the clubs best interest while upsetting a lot of people.

Do we continue to be nomads.. Playing home games all over the place? Or do we grow a set and make a decision once and for alli

I do not think that this decision is to far off ,with the NRL stating no more bail outs for clubs playing out of the Traditional home grounds that the club runs at a loss are over. The hard decision will be made sooner rather than later it is time to sink or swim.
 
It's not really about Crowds as far a Wests Tigers are concerned…Lets face it Crowds are largely dependant on a winning football team...Playing 4, 6, 8, 12 games out of Campbelltown will only change attendances if it is winning or losing..the great bandwagon effect..

Simple fact of the matter is the Corporate $$$$$ for the Wests Tigers comes largely from the inner west and that's where they will base themselves....If Corporate's from the MacArthur started backing the Wests Tigers to a similar or larger degree Wests Tigers would be there in a flash...
 
Pascoe said he was going to sort out the home ground issue when he first arrived.
Hopefully the only thing holding us back from having one home ground is the uncertainty of the ANZ redevelopment.
 
No wonder this guy is a 'former' mayor, he sounds like a fool.

“All we’re asking is that they base themselves here, their office and their training…"

Oh that's all your asking is it? That's not a big ask at all. Why don't WT just up and move to Campbelltown tomorrow then...

All this talk about the University of Western Sydney centre of excellence, while being dismissive of Concord makes no sense. If the Concord centre of excellence gets up then whats wrong with staying there? Especially when that's what West's Ashfield want.

As has been said if Campbelltown was a sellout every time we took a game there he might have a better point. But at the moment that's not the case and the money we get from ANZ Stadium is too hard to refuse.
 
Tough one, people want the investment before the results, and when that happens, it's all down to opinions and politics.

Tigers are anchored in Campbo already, and yeah they could do more, they could move bulk facilities and games, but what guarantees are there that it will be financially rewarding? The club's been at Campbo for 18 years, Magpies before that, and it's never exploded.

This councillor is saying all they really need is more games, $100M for the stadium etc. Jaysus that is what everyone needs/wants and everyone wants it in their own backyards for their local VOTING population.

Tigers are a business, they make business decisions. If they think it's not good business, who are we to say otherwise, who cares if it's Pascoe or Wests Ashfield making the final call?

When Balmain are next to insolvent and Wests Campbo have hugely reduced their contributions to the club, of course Wests Ashfield remain the highest stakeholder and get to make the calls.

He makes comparisons to Penrith and actually makes a point against himself - Penrith are anchored because of the Leagues club. If Wests Campbo was the size of Panthers and made the financial contributions that Panthers make to the football club, then we'd be talking differently. But they aren't and they don't.
 
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What a nightmare all of this stuff is. I'm not sure what the answer is but I think it'd be better if the Macarthur region showed they were behind the Tigers via crowd support prior to councillors stating things like that.

It was plenty full in round 2\. Can't expect a full house in 7 degree temperature, against an out of town team, in the middle of the losing streak we were in.

12,232 isn't exactly jam packed

Double what was there the other night. Ctown has been bashed from pillar to post the last few years regarding crowd numbers, when the truth is, overall they aren't too much different to Leichhardt.

Canberra vs Cows got almost 10.5k and it was -2 degrees. And they're only a few spots above us.
 
This guy is absolutely joking - then again, maybe I am incorrect, he is the joke!

To start with I can see why he is no longer the Mayor.

It is blatantly obvious the Macarthur region, as an entity does not support the Wests Tigers, a handful of people coming to 4 games a year - can't even get a decent crowd on only 4 occasions. Souths play one trial and are looking at maybe playing one NRL game there in the future, now that is commitment. We play 4 but that is not good enough for you Councillor Lake. The icing on the cake is that 5 Souths players turn up for Christmas Carols and just one Wests player (how much notice was given, was it a last minute invite, did players have other commitments and how many players were on holidays at that time)? Let us ignore the fact that Tigers players are constantly visiting schools and hospitals in the area - how many Souths players do this on a regular basis Councillor Lake? Maybe if Campbelltown Council and the people of the Macarthur Region showed as much commitment to the Tigers as the Tigers show to the region you may have a level playing field. This is very much a case of people in glass houses.

Who is going to give $100 million to the council to improve Campbelltown Oval so it holds 25,000 people Councillor Lake? Not the Tigers. That is not a large enough capacity for that amount of money. If you built a stadium in the area to cover the support that the Tigers get in the area you would only need to build a 15,000 seat stadium and hand out a few umbrellas. It sounds to me, that you, Councillor Lake are a closet Souths supporter!

Tigers have had a great deal of financial problems over the past five years, they needed the financial incentive that they got from playing at ANZ stadium, it helped the bottom line. How much did Campbelltown Council assist the Tigers when they played at Campbelltown Oval - Oh! right, nothing - Oh! in fact you charged them for playing there, and had heaps of parking, Oh! you didn't have that either. It doesn't matter if there are 3 million people in the area if you only have 10-15000 people willing to support Wests. The Macarthur Region has continually shown that they are not reliable supporters as a whole, whether it was Western Suburbs or Wests Tigers. You have it wrong Councillor Lake - the area need to show support and commitment to the Wests Tigers and then you would reap the rewards.

The mistake you are making is assuming that the Wests Tigers only represent the Macarthur Region - the catchment area is much wider than what you are talking about - they also represent the original areas of the two joint venture clubs. Areas like Ashfield, Balmain, Birchgrove, Concord, Rozelle, Lidcombe, Leichhardt, Homebush, Ryde, and Ermington plus many more. I would think Wests would be looking at somewhere more central to ALL supporters and Corporate Sponsors to relate to and access. I am led to believe that Wests are committed to building their own Centre of Excellence at Concord and training there and then probably playing their home games out of the new Parramatta Stadium (when built) or ANZ Stadium at Homebush.

Not sure where that leaves you Councillor Lake - like the little boy who fell out of the wheel barrow - NOT IN IT!
 
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It was plenty full in round 2\. Can't expect a full house in 7 degree temperature, against an out of town team, in the middle of the losing streak we were in.

12,232 isn't exactly jam packed

Double what was there the other night. Ctown has been bashed from pillar to post the last few years regarding crowd numbers, when the truth is, overall they aren't too much different to Leichhardt.

Canberra vs Cows got almost 10.5k and it was -2 degrees. And they're only a few spots above us.

Canberra weren't on a 6 game losing streak.
 
I don't see too much wrong with what he's saying, but as Geo mentioned, it's also about the corporate support and being sustainable as a business. The Tigers are now moving into an era where they are about to turn a profit, so it's hard to argue against what Pascoe is doing at the moment in terms of club direction.
 

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